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Dow reacts to debt-ceiling debate

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Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Stocks retreated deep into negative territory on Wednesday as Congress remained stalled on resolving the debt ceiling, and an economic report showed a significant slowdown in the U.S. manufacturing sector.

The Dow has now fallen four days in a row as investors grow increasingly worried that Washington won't solve the the country's budget woes in time to meet the August 2 debt ceiling deadline.

"Take the uncertainty over the debt ceiling and add the weak economic data, that's not going to help the market's performance," said Michael James, senior equity trader at Wedbush Morgan Securities. "Investors are in selling mode."

Washington's debt ceiling negotiations remain stagnant. House Speaker John Boehner said late Tuesday he will rewrite his debt legislation, after the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said the bill would reduce deficits by only $851 billion over 10 years.

The CBO said Wednesday a competing proposal from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid would save $2.2 trillion over a decade.
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The two competing proposals give investors little comfort that Congress is any closer to reaching an agreement, with only six days left before the Aug. 2 deadline.

Ablin said he expects the debt ceiling will get raised, but investors should get used to the possibility that the U.S. will likely no longer have a "AAA" rating.

"What we're looking at is Washington's inability to solve the big problems as compared to other countries that have done a much better job of addressing these issues," he said. http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/27/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?hpt=
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Let's see: The Democrats have offered spending cuts like crazy and asked for revenue at a 3-1 margin; Republicans have rarely seen compromise on that scale in how long? But Republicans want ALL cuts and NO taxes, and have drawn a line in the sand on that (hee, hee, hee, typo came out "line in the sane"--equally valid). Obama has proposed putting Medicare and Social Security on the table, raising the age, changing how cost of living is determined for those on Social Security (like we get a decent cost-of-living raise NOW???), but Republicans keep saying "that's not enough, and no taxes!"

Gee, I wonder who's less willing to compromise? They've pretty much already guaranteed our credit rating will go down; how much further do they want to push it? All hail the "fiscally responsible" Party of No!

I assume "get real" would be a waste of breath to tell the Republicans, and we'll all pay the price.

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Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



The Summer of Recovery 2 rolls on.


This is a big fucking deal.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:45 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...



Ahh, but Raptor is the civil one, and he never says "fuck"...no, indeedy!

For what you and yours want to do to our country: We'll survive your insanity, but it will cost America dearly before we can get your cretinous politicians out.




Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:31 PM

DREAMTROVE




The market hates uncertainty, but it reacts to no man. The market is falling in part because it was overbought and hit the long term resistance, after which, its dedcline was guaranteed, which is why i predicted it would happen, but then i did work ten years as a financial analyst, so i get that it's not obvious.

Also, i'll concede this: things can effect the depth of the fall. In this case, the market is being hurt by the falling dollar which is crashing. That market also hates uncertainty, but it will also hate the solution. Remember, the dollar's collapse began the last time the debt ceiling was raised. Raising the debt ceiling is tantamount to devaluing the dollar, so that won't make the dollar happy, but the dollar is probabky oversold. Also, some stocks might go up on a falling dollar, like those who have assets valued primailry in foreign currencies, or those who are recipients of the extravvagant corporate spending policy.

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Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:57 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Hey, I seem to be lucky. I'm out of work right now, long story, my own fault. SO I had to cash in some of my 401-K the other day. I was planning to only cash part of it, but the broker said," You don't work there anymore, you either have to LEAVE it all alone; or cash it ALL out. " And I was thinkin' about that anyway- if I left it and the market tanked and all that value ENRON'ed, that would really suck. SO I cashed it all, at yesterday's market prices.

SO let the default come, let the market crash, let it look like Black Friday in 1929- I got mine out the door just before it slammed shut. Just hope I got enough time to change it all to Kruggerands before the paper is worth less than Charmin.

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Friday, July 29, 2011 6:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Congrats, NewOld, you missed THAT bullet. 'Cuz I'm convinced it's gonna get reeeel bad before this is over. Even if Obama raises the ceiling himself, the rest of the world is gonna lose confidence in us, the market is going to go nuts (even if Reid's plan were to go through, of which there's no chance, the market will HATE it), we'll be downgraded anyway. Seems to me that at this point there's no salvaging anything, and our "sluggish recovery" is going to be a thing of the past very soon. Get ready for the Depression (tho' of course they'll call it a "recession" so as not to scare people further!).


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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