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Sen. Kerry to media - Stop giving 'equal time' and 'balance' to conservative ideas

"And I have to tell ya, and I say this to you politely, the media in America has a bigger responsibility than it’s exercising today. The media’s got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual. It doesn’t deserve the same credit as a legitimate idea about what you do. The problem is everything is put into this tit for tat equal battle and America’s losing any sense of what’s real—of whose accountable—of whose not accountable-- of whose real...who isn’t.—of whose serious and who isn’t. "

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Not mention "Operation Fast and Furious"...

liberals/democrats/progs are willing to KILL people to implement their "philosophy".

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ObamaCare, Fast and Furious, debt, gas prices, unemployment, bailouts, etc.

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We MUST get these assholes OUT of office and SOON.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Side A says "We need to rein in spending!" and Side B says "We need to raise revenue!", and then Side C says "We need to... PANCAKES! Apples! Cockballs!"

You really don't have to give equal credence to Side C, do you?

But if you really DO think that all sides deserve equal access, then congratulations on changing your thinking on the Fairness Doctrine.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Well the media should be about facts, so giving conservative fairytale views less time would work to that end.

...oh and nothing in the 1st amendment says that the media has to give anyone time.

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The problem is everything is put into this tit for tat equal battle and America’s losing any sense of what’s real—of whose accountable—of whose not accountable-- of whose real...who isn’t.—of whose serious and who isn’t. "

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Only they're not in the least big fairy tale views. Facts you don't like are still facts. Sorry.

And the point you're oblivious to is that it should be up to the FREE PRESS, you know, We the people, to decide, and NOT the govt.

But maybe you're more of a Pravda sort of guy anyway.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Reason I keep calling Kerry's (alleged) quotes "alleged" is because I asked for a cite, and you so far have refused to give one. And because the writing in that (alleged) quote is of such low quality that I have to wonder WHO would publish it.

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The problem is everything is put into this tit for tat equal battle and America’s losing any sense of what’s real—of whose accountable—of whose not accountable-- of whose real...who isn’t.—of whose serious and who isn’t. "

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Do you see the problem? Do you? That's grade school-level writing. So I'd like to know where you sourced it.

Seems you have something to hide.


I also can't find anything in your "quote" that relates in any way to the idea that Kerry said (allegedly) that time shouldn't be given to "conservative" ideas.

Where did you get that? Or is that just the spin you decided to put on it?


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Google it, and find out your damn self.

Are you seriously being this anal ? Or are you so much a troll that you'll fuss when I don't cite quotes, and fuss when I DO cite quotes, simply to keep yourself from having to debate the issue.

Sorry, I'm not playing your reindeer games.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Making sure the Press is reporting facts is not a bad thing.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Just like Sen. Kerry. He thinks there should be some sort of Official Dept of Truth to determine if the free press has its facts right or not.

Which amounts to State control of the media. Which is ehy the 1st Amendment even exits in the first place, to keep just that from happening !

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

A straw man. But YOU want the govt to " make sure " that the Press is doing its job, correct ?

Just like Sen. Kerry. He thinks there should be some sort of Official Dept of Truth to determine if the free press has its facts right or not.

Which amounts to State control of the media. Which is ehy the 1st Amendment even exits in the first place, to keep just that from happening !

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I have to ask, are you even an US citizen ? Do you even KNOW the history of this country, or the what went into making of the US Constitution ?

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

No, Kerry said that the media should not give time to ridiculous nonfactual ideas. You are the one that assumed he was talking about conservative ideas. Read what he said again, slowly if you have to.

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Expecting the media to report facts is not state controlled media. It would be left leaning because as Stephen Colbert said, Reality has a Well-Known Liberal Bias.

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I have to ask, are you even an US citizen ? Do you even KNOW the history of this country, or the what went into making of the US Constitution ?

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Yes. Very well. More so then you..

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Do YOU think that 9/11 "Truthers" should be given the exact same amount of coverage and credence as those who claim that al-Qaeda perpetrated the 9/11 attacks? Do you find those to be equally viable, equally reasonable viewpoints?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I posted his quotes, I know exactly what he said,and what he meant. If you want to play the Clintonesque game, and pretend " well, he didn't literally SAY those words, so now you're just guessing as to what he means ... ", then I'm truly dealing with morons here, or trolls, who have zero interest in dealing in the issue.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Do YOU think that 9/11 "Truthers" should be given the exact same amount of coverage and credence as those who claim that al-Qaeda perpetrated the 9/11 attacks? Do you find those to be equally viable, equally reasonable viewpoints?

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Do you ?

Given coverage by whom ?

Your question is incomplete. Try again,

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Hell you have not even addressed my argument that the media should report facts. So spare me your melodrama bullshit and get to work responding to my arguments.

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That's why you don't understand why the government has a right to take your money and you never responded when I answered your challenge to show you in the constitution where it was the governments job to redistribute wealth.

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So giving equal time to both sides of an argument is not fair?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
He can't, Nick.

He doesn't have the intellectual honesty to do it.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
He can't, Nick.

He doesn't have the intellectual honesty to do it.

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I do, but apparently you don't.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How is it an argument that the media should report the facts ? That they SHOULD is self evident. The point you're not grasping is, who should hold the media accountable ? Do you think it should be the govt ? Because if so, then that completely puts you at odds / the 1st Amendment.

It's not melodrama, it's a fact.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:No, you didn't. Though I can see how you may think that. That the govt has a legitimate claim on what the people earn, and can raise taxes, isn't the issue. That they can or should do so for the purposes of social engineering, or of some arbitrary concept of 'fairness', that ain't in the constitution. Sorry.

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Safety nets are not social engineering. Fairness is very much in the Constitution as it grants everyone the same rights. Oh and don't forget...

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

See that general welfare statement.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:Given ? Who determines what is 'given' ? Do you even listen to yourself ?

And who says there has to be two sides ? Why not three ? Why not 4 or 5 ?

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Then you would give equal time to each side, it would be regulated by the same people who regulate what is put on TV and Radio now. What are you scared that if more people hear the lefts real arguments it may make sense to them?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
He can't, Nick.

He doesn't have the intellectual honesty to do it.

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I do, but apparently you don't.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

"He doesn't have the intellectual honesty to do it."

More like he's missing his sanity. Well, he was warned - repeatedly - years ago not to play fast and loose with facts 'cause it was a path that would lead him over the cliff's edge. Not that I personally feel any loss regarding Rap's self-destruction, but imo he's really not worth getting into a back and forth with. The sane people can discuss very interesting things with each other instead.

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The media’s got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I confess. I was wrong. I mistakenly attributed Kerry's words to mean that he was talking about the TEA party.

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The media’s got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual

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He doesn't say 1 word about the TEA party here.

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