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Horrendous: 31 U.S. troops, most from SEAL Team 6, killed when Taliban shoots down helicopter

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Sunday, August 7, 2011 3:54 AM

America loves a winner!

Thirty-eight are dead in all, including seven Afghan troops who were aboard. As many as 25 of the Americans were SEALs and a majority of them reportedly were from Team 6 — the same unit that got Bin Laden. Whether any of the men on that mission were killed today, the White House hasn’t said (yet). In almost 10 years of war, it’s the single deadliest incident for U.S. soldiers by far, and these were the very best of the best. I’m trying to find solace in the fact that those numbers are small compared to terrible days in previous wars, but I’m not finding it.

The cause: A Taliban RPG.

The helicopter was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade in the Tangi Valley of the Wardak Province just west of Kabul, the coalition official said. The Taliban claimed credit for the attack…

There were conflicting accounts about when the helicopter went down. A spokesman for the Taliban, Zabiullah Mujahid, said insurgents shot down the helicopter around 11 p.m. Friday as it was starting an operation on a house where the militants were gathering in the Tangi Joyee region of the district of Saidabad in the eastern part of the province. Eight militants were killed in the fight, which continued after the helicopter fell, Mr. Mujahid said…

Gen. Abdul Qayum Baqizoy, police chief of Wardak, said the operation began around 1 a.m. Saturday as NATO and Afghan forces attacked a Taliban compound in Jaw-e-mekh Zareen village in the Tangi Valley. The firefight lasted at least two hours, the general said.

“It was at the end of the operation that one of the NATO helicopters crashed,” he said. “We don’t know yet the cause of the crash, and we don’t know how many NATO soldiers were on board.”

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Sunday, August 7, 2011 4:03 AM

DREAMTROVE

they don't like it when yiu shoot at them. I figured that one out for myself.

This happens when you go to war with someone. They shoot back.

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But, just to brighten up the day, wait for it, someone will come in with a conspiracy theory about how this was an inside job, the infamous THEY did this to cover their tracks about the false flag operation that claims to have killed the already dead Osama Bin Laden. While this may sound plausible, it will have the flaw of being illogical: why would a hero spill the deceit of his own heroism?

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, August 7, 2011 4:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

There are legitimate questions as to why so many Navy Seals were traveling together in 1 bird like that.

Even flying from Ft Benning to Panama City, FL , one would expect to not put so many high value assets in one basket, so to say.

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Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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There are legitimate questions as to why so many Navy Seals were traveling together in 1 bird like that.

And especially in one of those goddamn "Shit-hook" helicopters. In my dad's day, they referred to that chopper as "a ground-attack chopper" because, he said, it was so fucking good at attacking the ground by flying right into it.

It's looking like this one was indeed downed by enemy fire, but it wouldn't really surprise me if they found it was a routine mechanical failure, either.

I've seen reports that all or most of the guys who actually killed Bin Laden were on board and killed, and other reports that said that although the soldiers on board were indeed from the same SEAL unit, none of them were from the actual group who took out Bin Laden.

And none of that matters, because it's a terrible loss to the armed forces regardless, and to the families of those who died.

But you can bet that al-Qaeda will make the most out of it in terms of recruiting.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:19 AM

FREMDFIRMA

This is what happens when you try to use WWI tactics with a modern army, alas - so long as our command staff is trying to fight the battle of the somme up against a small-cell structured opponent, this is gonna happen, and it doesn't help that the shithook is this big, slow, ungainly and huge target, and the other option, the osprey, is an underpowered deathtrap that's flaky even in the hands of an expert.

This bit us on the ass the worst in mogadishu though, cause instead of using a local truck which woulda been discrete and just as effective, some nimrod (Steele) decided to send em in by chopper, resulting in our birds hovering at rooftop level, essentially immoble with great honking bullseyes on them, with predictable results - stationary and slow moving choppers are sitting ducks for RPG fire, and transport copters like the shithook should NOT operate without proper cover and escort, nor should choppers be used whatever in a manner that completely negates the only advantage they have, speed and mobility.

The Taliban answer to the problem of mobility versus vulnerability ?
Dirt Bikes, and lots of em - one of the things pointed out during the Millenium Challenge in which Van Riper was completely ignored about, mind you.

Sure, you do have the occasion that calls for a rapid insertion, but hovering right over top of an opponent with RPGs is suicide, and as usual we didn't put out scouts, and our so-called-intel was just more made-up-bullshit or worse, so what does one expect - honestly in most cases we'd be better off using trucks for the insertion and holding choppers back for the evac, but there's that tendancy towards showboating as well, the complete arrogance of our forces in general.

I do find it a little convenient, dead men tell no tales, especially given that the only ones who even pretend to believe that faery story about Bin Laden are americans, since everyone else on the planet knew he was capped circa Dec 16th 2001.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:59 PM

RIONAEIRE

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It is very sad and tragical. Unfortunately it happens in war. I too am surprised they'd send so many SEALS in a single helo, doesn't seem like the best idea, but regardless it is a sad thing and I feel bad that it happened. It made me cry a lil earlier, I didn't hear about it until today.

DT, I find it odd that you say "someone" will come in here spouting conspiracy theories, when often that "someone" is your own self in other threads.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, August 7, 2011 9:16 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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The official story is that the Taliban shot down the chopper. I have my doubts (as do many others far more savvy than yours truly).

Remember Pat Tillman, the Pro Football star who forsook a megabuck contract and volunteered to go fight in Afghanistan in the heat of the post-9/11 patriotic frenzy? The official story is that Tillman was killed in a friendly-fire incident. According to reports from several US military personnel (a few of whom I know), Pat Tillman was assassinated by his own government. Reportedly, Tillman, the quintessential poster-boy for military recruitment, was waking up to the 9/11 lie, and was beginning to get a little too loose-lipped for his own good. Word traveled up the chain fast. Three bullets to the head fired at close range killed him. Friendly-fire indeed.

Inside Scoop: Shot Down Black-Op Seals Won't Be Talking Now
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/917/461/Inside_Scoop:_31_US_Occupiers_K
illed_in_Afghanistan_and_Much_More.html

The Execution Of SEAL Team Six

On May 5th, I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn't in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2. Of course there wasn't. Bin Laden wasn't in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years.

This is why the "body" was declared "positively identified" faster than any known DNA testing process in existence - and this DNA testing was carried out not in a lab mind you, but inside Chinook and/or V-22 Osprey helos en route to the USS Carl Vinson. The body was then dumped into the Indian Ocean in a mad dash to ensure that "burial" took place within 24 hours of death in order to "honor" musloid burial traditions. Not a single picture of the so-called "Bin Laden corpse" has ever been released - and never will.

The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?

April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi's book, "Where's the Birth Certificate" is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi's work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. Within hours, Corsi's book is #1 on Amazon.com - fully 28 days before its release. The Obama regime is panicked.

April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within hours, thousands of graphic designers, many of whom are self-professed Obama voters and supporters, isolate and demonstrate with dozens of objective proof sets that the PDF released by the Obama regime is not just a forgery, but an astoundingly incompetent and obvious forgery.

April 27 through May 2: The Obama regime is now in a blind panic. Deeming it too risky, instead of commissioning the forged birth certificate from document and photo illustration experts within the CIA or NSA, the Obama regime instead farmed the project off on someone inside the White House with a functional but middling knowledge of photo illustration programs. To the thoroughly inexpert eyes of Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Valerie Jarrett, the forged certificate file appeared extremely convincing, and was thus released with fanfare. Within hours, they knew that they had not only made a mistake, but a massive mistake that could land them all in prison. The forger was so incompetent that he/she didn't even flatten the image thus compressing and masking the component layers before posting it. And that was just the tip of the iceberg of glaring flaws and errors. The mainstream press was, so far, completely complicit in the cover-up of the forgery, but Rathergate proved that if the forgery debunking generated any mainstream traction whatsoever, the end could come swiftly. The Obama regime needed a big distraction and they needed it fast. They had been planning on holding the staged Bin Laden capture and killing until 2012 for the thick of the campaign, and perhaps as an "October Surprise", but it would have to be moved up to now.

May 2, 2011: The Bin Laden operation occurs. In all likelihood, a low-to-mid level Taliban or insurgent leader is killed.

May 3, 2011: Within hours, Vice President Joe Biden destroys any notions of OPSEC and bellows to the entire world in public remarks at a dinner at the Ritz Carlton that the Bin Laden raid was carried out by "the SEALS". Within hours Obama regime had gleefully leaked that the raid was carried out by "SEAL Team 6", also known as DEVGRU. Up until this point in history, all DEVGRU activities and information had been highly classified. Now the term "SEAL Team 6" was blasted across every newspaper in the world, with Disney even moving to trademark the name. The Obama regime wanted the ENTIRE WORLD to know the name "SEAL Team 6".

May 5, 2011: As I said earlier, I conversed with retired military contact with spook contacts regarding the obvious theatrics of the Bin Laden episode and the need for a cover-up by the Obama regime. The conversation ended with the following exchange:

Ann: I'm on the US Military casualty email list. It would be NO PROBLEM to "hide" casualties. It's a steady stream out of Afghanistan.

Contact: look for training accidents in the eastern mountains.

May 6, 2011: Obama travels to Ft. Campbell, KY to openly "meet and congratulate" SEAL Team 6 members. This receives huge press coverage, and the press declares the incident "a huge boost [for Obama] going into 2012."

The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)

Posted by Ann Barnhard

August 6, AD 2011

August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime made a point of immediately revealing the unit identities of the SPECOPS forces among the dead.

In the past, DEVGRU men and other SPECOPS men have been killed in action, but their missions were so secret and so crucial to OPSEC that their deaths were covered-up by the government and attributed to such things as "training accidents" and the like and I have no problem with that. These men understand going in to intense units such as DEVGRU that OPSEC is paramount, that they will never be publicly acknowledged for their heroism, and that if they are killed or captured in action, the government will lie about that in order to protect OPSEC and to prevent the enemy from gaining a propaganda and morale coup. Compare that reality with what happened today. The Obama regime distributed this information, and the Obama regime's lapdog press instantly splashed headlines declaring this as the Taliban's "REVENGE" for the "death of Bin Laden." As I write this now, the Drudge Report headline in bright red reads, "REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN."

I'll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can't take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire.

Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN'T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition. Three tacks:

1. The men on board the Chinook may have been the same men who participated or had direct knowledge of the staged Bin Laden raid and were killed to permanently silence them. See my email exchange of May 5 above.

2. These DEVGRU men were killed to send a signal to the surviving DEVGRU men who carried out the Bin Laden raid to keep their mouths shut.

3. Certainly, the release of the unit identity of the dead within hours before even family notification could have been made (which requires an IN PERSON visit to the family, remember) was an obvious bow to Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the entire muslim world. This event was INSTANTLY propagandized by the Obama media as "revenge" exacted for Bin Laden's death. And remember, Bin Laden has been dead for many years. The raid of May 2 was pure stagecraft to distract the world from the release of the forged Obama birth certificate.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I can't stand Alex Jones or any 9/11 truther. I have turned down dozens of interviews with such types. In fact, I am a huge believer in the Lex Parsimoniae, which is sometimes called "Occam's Razor", which states that the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one. I teach this as part of my job, namely that the cattle markets are neither manipulated nor impossible to operate within at a profit. The reality is that the cattle industry participants do not make money because they are functionally incompetent. It is very, very simple. True conspiracies are very rare.

This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime.

Why did the Obama regime immediately reveal the unit identity of the SPECOPS forces involved in the first place, despite the fact that DEVGRU was highly classified? Why was the personnel composition of the Chinook released IMMEDIATELY today after the helo went down before even family notifications could be made? WHY? Why would you hand your enemy, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, a massive propaganda coup? WHY?

I'll tell you why. Because the Obama regime IS THE ENEMY. They are Marxist tyrants who hold the lives of Americans not just cheap, but in scathing contempt. They will say anything, they will do anything, and they will murder ANYONE in order to protect themselves and consolidate and increase their power. Please, I beg you, for the love of God and all that is good in this world, read the history of the Soviet Union. Read about Lenin and Stalin and how they murdered people without any hesitation. Read about how Hitler was constantly ordering the murder of his own officers. Read about Communist China. Read about Mao and the millions upon tens of millions of murders he ordered. Read about the killing fields of the Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia led by Pol Pot. PLEASE. Marxists MURDER PEOPLE. That is what they do. The Obama regime is MARXIST to the bone. If the Obama regime is not stopped, the 30 Americans murdered today in Afghanistan will be just the beginning. I promise you that.

Here, again, is the clip of Larry Grathwohl, who infiltrated the Weather Underground Marxist terrorist organization in the 1970s. The Weather Underground was founded by Obama's political godfather, communist mentor (along with Frank Marshall Davis), murderer, and ghostwriter of "Dreams From My Father", Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. In this interview, taped in 1980 while Obama was still just an unknown undergrad foreign scholarship student at Occidental College, Grathwohl describes the leadership of the Weather Underground (which is Ayers and Dohrn) discussing what will be done with the "unreformable, diehard capitalists" once they have overthrown the government of the United States. The answer is extermination in camps in the Southwest. The estimated total that would need to be killed? 25 million, which was 10% of the population at the time. Ayers & Dohrn already have overthrown the government of the United States via their puppet protégé, Barack Obama. They have guaranteed that the economy will collapse. The only thing left for them to do is suspend the Constitution and open the camps.

"Democracy is two wolves deciding what to eat for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
-Thomas Jefferson

http://rense.com/general94/execc.htm

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Monday, August 8, 2011 9:21 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Another US chopper explosion "kills" Seal Team 6 already killed in the chopper explosion at "Obama Bin Laden's house"...

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Pakistan TV Report Contradicts US Claim of Bin Laden’s Death, Eyewitness Saw Helicopter Explode Killing Everyone on Board Including "OBL"

by Dr Paul Craig Roberts PhD, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal

transcript of Paki TV interview:
http://www.infowars.com/pakistan-tv-report-contradicts-us-claim-of-bin
-ladens-death/

Dead Men Don’t Talk: US Navy Seals Destroyed to Cover Up Washington’s Bin Laden Execution Hoax
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25923

“Bin Laden” Heroes Murdered to Keep Them Quiet
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/06/breaking-news-bin-laden-troops
-probably-murderered-to-keep-them-quiet/

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