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Heeere it comes -- GOP's hidden debt-deal agenda: Gut the EPA
Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:43 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:It was lost in the endless drama of the debt-ceiling negotiations, but last week, the Republicans in charge of the House of Representatives launched an unprecedented attack on the U.S.'s environmental protections. GOP Representatives added rider after rider to the 2012 spending bill for the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior Department, tacking on amendments that would essentially prevent those agencies — charged with protecting America's air, water and wildlife — from doing their jobs. Last week's riderfest wasn't unusual for the 112th U.S. Congress. Representatives Henry Waxman and Edward Markey — two senior Democrats with solid green credentials — recently charted all the votes taken so far this year and calculated that the Republican-led House has voted to "stop," "block" or "undermine" efforts to protect the environment 110 times since January. As Natural Resources Defense Council president Frances Beinecke wrote recently, this body of lawmakers stands an excellent chance of becoming "the most anti-environment House of Representatives" in U.S. history. To which you might react: Well, duh. In recent years the Republican Party has defined itself as staunchly anti-EPA and generally anti–environmental protection. Whether that means opposing legislation to curb climate change or new rules to promote energy-efficient lightbulbs, if it can be considered green, then the majority of the GOP is almost always against it. That antigreen ideology has only been stiffened by the rise of the Tea Party, and Republican presidential candidates on the campaign trail are fighting to see who can come across as more hostile to environmental regulations. So Newt Gingrich — who once wrote a book called A Contract with the Earth, all the way back in 2007 — and Tea Party favorite Michele Bachmann have both called for abolishing the EPA, while Mitt Romney has come under intense criticism from the likes of Rush Limbaugh for daring to admit that man-made climate change might just actually exist. Sarah Palin summed up the prevailing GOP attitude when she had this to say while attending a motorcycle rally at the start of her recent cross-country bus tour: "I love the smell of emissions." {Oh, how I wish she could breathe nothing BUT for a while!} But it hasn't always been this way. The surprising truth is that the extreme political polarization of environmental and energy issues is actually a relatively recent phenomenon. There have long been prominent conservatives who proudly called themselves conservationists back in the days when Republicans for Environmental Protection — an actual political group, founded in 1995 — wasn't an oxymoron. Theodore Roosevelt — who has a strong claim as the greenest President in U.S. history — helped create major national parks and launched the U.S. Forest Service. Richard Nixon created the EPA and signed the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts. George H.W. Bush signed the landmark 1990 amendment to the Clean Air Act and supported a cap-and-trade program that successfully fought acid rain. Even George W. Bush, a product of the Texas oil patch, created the world's largest marine protected area when he established the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument off Hawaii. Of course, the hard-core Republican Party of today doesn't resemble Roosevelt's or the elder Bush's. Among the 40 riders the knee-jerk antienvironmentalists of the House GOP produced last week: • A rider that would prevent the EPA from issuing any regulations on greenhouse-gas emissions over the next year — despite the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled the agency has the responsibility to regulate those emissions as a public-health threat under the Clean Air Act. • A rider that would stop the EPA from carrying out tough new automobile-fuel-efficiency standards that were announced last week — standards that have the support of all the major automakers. • A rider that would prevent the EPA from labeling the toxic ash left over from coal combustion as hazardous waste — something that would no doubt alarm the people of Kingston, Tenn., buried by a coal-ash spill in 2008. The good news for environmentalists is that with the Democrats still in charge of the Senate, those riders are unlikely to remain in the final EPA-Interior spending bill. Indeed, these demands were less about actual policy than about making a political point. And that's exactly the problem. According to Markey and Waxman's rundown of 110 antienvironment votes made by the House so far this year, on average, 97% of Republican members voted for the antigreen positions, while 84% of Democrats supported the progreen position. As long as that massive chasm exists — and as long as Republicans view anything green as an ideological threat — we have no chance of crafting meaningful political action on long-term challenges like climate change or energy. More at http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2086421,00.html
Quote:Growing up in the Scenic Texas Hill Country, Lyndon B. Johnson developed a deep appreciation and respect for nature and the land. This love of the natural land was something that President Johnson shared with his wife, Lady Bird Johnson. Over the years they watched the country change from an agrarian society to an industrialized nation with lasting problems that threatened the health of the environment. As president, Lyndon B. Johnson felt that it was his responsibility to take action not only to clean up the natural environment but to protect the natural heritage of America. During his administration, President Johnson signed over 300 conservation measures into law, forming the legal basis of the modern environmental movement.Quote:There is no excuse for a river flowing red with blood from slaughterhouses. There is no excuse for paper mills pouring sulfuric acid into the lakes and the streams of the people of this country. There is no excuse—and we should call a spade a spade—for chemical companies and oil refineries using our major rivers as pipelines for toxic waste. There is no excuse for communities to use other people’s rivers as a dump for their raw sewage. Lyndon B. Johnson Water Quality Act of 1965President Johnson was the first President of the United States to sign acts concerning Clean Air and Water Quality. These acts established government authority and responsibility to act forcefully against air and water pollution. They also provided money for research on pollution, set standards for air and water quality, and vehicle inspections, emissions, pollutions and fuel additives and alternatives. In spite of larger populations, air pollution in the United States has been reduced by 50 million tons since 1970. http://www.nps.gov/lyjo/planyourvisit/upload/EnvironmentCS2.pdf]
Quote:There is no excuse for a river flowing red with blood from slaughterhouses. There is no excuse for paper mills pouring sulfuric acid into the lakes and the streams of the people of this country. There is no excuse—and we should call a spade a spade—for chemical companies and oil refineries using our major rivers as pipelines for toxic waste. There is no excuse for communities to use other people’s rivers as a dump for their raw sewage. Lyndon B. Johnson Water Quality Act of 1965
Wednesday, August 3, 2011 8:37 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:• A rider that would stop the EPA from carrying out tough new automobile-fuel-efficiency standards that were announced last week — standards that have the support of all the major automakers.
Wednesday, August 3, 2011 8:45 AM
DREAMTROVE
Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:10 AM
Quote:Secret? I thought it was painted in 30 foot high letters on the lawn of GOP headquarters
Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:48 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:51 AM
Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:10 AM
Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:11 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:And yet you replied to my post, so I know you know I said said something...
Thursday, August 4, 2011 8:14 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, August 4, 2011 11:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: Uh oh, that sounds problematic. If we don't take care of the earth then it won't take care of us. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Friday, August 5, 2011 1:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: America doesn't another bloated ineffectual government agency to defend her, she has the militlary.
Friday, August 5, 2011 4:46 AM
Friday, August 5, 2011 11:41 AM
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Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:34 AM
Sunday, August 7, 2011 2:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: And yet, Rap, you sort of make her point by arguing with her instead of reading my post.
Sunday, August 7, 2011 2:59 AM
Quote:DT, how do I make her point, at all ? I've contributed directly to this thread, first. Then she perpetually chimes in that she's not reading my posts ( she is ) and goes on and on and on w/ this childishness of posting 'troll be gone' and similar inanities... for what purpose ? Her repeating that I'm a troll, when it's clear that I'm not, doesn't in the least bit make it true. Many of my views differ from hers, and that makes me a troll ? And that pretty much does sum up the foundation for the animosity directed towards me. I have my views, I can back them up, and am fully confident in them. Can my views be changed ? Sure, given facts which make the case. No problem. But that's not the point here. Niki ( and others ) can't accept that I think a certain way, so in their minds, I'm a " troll ". Kinda funny, actually. But also not.
Sunday, August 7, 2011 3:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Thank you, DT. Well said. Not that it will have ANY impact on the person to whom it's addressed.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: DT, how do I make her point, at all ?
Monday, August 8, 2011 6:40 AM
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Monday, August 8, 2011 5:10 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, August 8, 2011 5:36 PM
Monday, August 8, 2011 6:01 PM
Monday, August 8, 2011 7:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: A Frem a chara, you get mean and nasty sometimes too, I've seen it, you fall into the same game of letting people rile you up, and don't say you don't because you do.
Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:51 AM
Quote:I wonder why there aren't many responders lately. It couldn't be because so many threads are devolving into flamewars and other antics, or that so many threads start out flamebait to begin with.
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