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Oh criminy.. what you REALLY don't want to see! (:ohshit:)

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 05:00
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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ontario.
This just gives me a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.



From the website
http://enenews.com/highest-rain-toronto-canada-measures-20000-cpm-squa
re-meter-crazy-hot-video


BTW- I borrowed our lab's geiger counter for a couple of days to test our indoor HEPA air filter, car intake and cabin filter, and areas right underneath our downspouts. I detected a couple of hot particles on our indoor air filter and a couple on my intake filter.

If I had gotten readings like this video, I would have shit my pants, then packed my bags. The guy's right... this is crazy hot.

The problem seems to be very much the rain bringing down radionuclides. Highly contaminated rain, or- as the Japanese used to refer to it after Hiroshima and Nagasaki- "black rain". Fukushima is still spewing.


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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm too much of a coward to even watch, Sig; I have a good idea what it shows, and I'm sickened just thinking about it.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:50 AM

BYTEMITE


Huh. I'd calculated that it was unlikely for the Fukushima isotopes to travel across the pacific without dispersing or diluting significantly, but if we can duplicate this outside of the Ontario area, I might have to rethink that.

Ontario does have a nuclear reactor itself... Maybe something is wrong with it? We should explore all options.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA



I'm not going to go into detail about it, but there's also been bizarrely high readings in new york - from a certain embassy building, which likely has nothing to do with Fukushima, but was counted accidently while doing precautionary sweeps.

As for particulate matter hotspots, they seem pretty random, you can have a high concentration and flat nothing within a mile of each other, but I figure a geiger counter is a good investment nonetheless.

Oh, and of course we got Davey-boy over in Commerce, who's kind of a mobile hotspot, back when the scandal was at it's peak folk would wave geiger counters at him as kind of a snark...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

I'd quote Three-Dogs rant about it from Fallout3, but I don't remember it at the moment, meh.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:23 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Finding radioactivity from rain water is not a new thing.

From 1902: http://books.google.com/books?id=XLo5AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11
&dq=radioactive+rain+in+toronto&source=bl&ots=5vAkNisi51&sig=nwQ9eTiQCpvZubKJNXN8bDRQjtQ&hl=en&ei=Gg5LTqbXLoW_gQf47ohz&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=radioactive%20rain%20in%20toronto&f=false


Also the 20,000 CPM sounds bad. Not really that bad. 1,200 CPM = 1 mR/hr (milliRad per hour)
So 20,000 CPM would be about 17 mR/hr. 300 mR/hr is the expected year exposure.

Now the 1,200 CPM to 1 mR/hr is for a counter calibrated to cesium. More sensitive counter would give you around 3,000 CPM or so per 1 mR/hr.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/radiation-geiger-counter-the-rad
iation-network
/

http://www.ehow.com/how_5329248_read-geiger-counter.html

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1994/safe-0105.html

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

300 mR/hr is the expected year exposure.

EXCEPT NICK, YOU GOT IT WRONG.

Your expected YEARLY exposure is not 300 mR "per hour", it's 300 mRem... total.

So, at roughly 20000 cpm, assuming a newer 2" dia standard Geiger counter with a conversion rate of

3000 cpm = 1 mR/hour (rems= rads, approximately)

Then in one year you would be getting almost 200 times your normal background rate. Or, putting it another way, you would be getting a year's worth of radiation in less than two days.

You see, I have used Geiger counters... I know what the "normal" background rate is, and what it sounds like. That counter singing away?

NOT normal. More in the realm of "Run like hell"

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:59 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

300 mR/hr is the expected year exposure.

EXCEPT NICK, YOU GOT IT WRONG.

Your expected YEARLY exposure is not 300 mR "per hour", it's 300 mRem... total.

So, at roughly 20000 cpm, assuming a newer 2" dia standard Geiger counter with a conversion rate of

3000 cpm = 1 mR/hour (rems= rads, approximately)

Then in one year you would be getting almost 200 times your normal background rate. Or, putting it another way, you would be getting a year's worth of radiation in less than two days.

You see, I have used Geiger counters... I know what the "normal" background rate is, and what it sounds like. That counter singing away?

NOT normal. More in the realm of "Run like hell"



Your right about my lable. It is 300 mR total not 300 mR/hr.

That being said, the video states that the radiation is only detected for a short time, much less then an hour. Plus the 20,000 CPM is from a rag used to wipe a one square meter area. Concentrating the radiation.

Then you have the fact that Radiation was blocked by his hand. Indicating Alpha and/or Beta particles. Not to dangerous unless ingested. So he should be fine, unless he starts to lick the rain water off those panels.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


When you have widespread deposition, it's a little hard not to breathe it in or ingest it. It gets in the soil, in the groundwater, in the plants. You drink, you eat, and dirt gets kicked up by the wind and your breathe in some dust.

Give up on this, Nick, it's crazy hot.

Also, this guy followed the standard protocol (one square meter) for detecting deposited radionuclides, so I hope this guy sends his paper towel to Arnie Gunderson for detailed analysis.

Quote:

After a rain, wipe down a 3 square meter area with a cloth or paper towel. If you get a positive result on the geiger counter from the cloth, triple wrap it in plastic, note the location and the the date and time and mail to Fairewinds who then will test the cloths and map the distribution of radioactive rainout.

The mailing address for the wipe-down cloths is:
Fairewinds Associates Inc
376 Appletree Point Rd
Burlington, VT 05408-2481, USA

You can also contact Fairewinds by phone: (802) 865-9955 or email:
contact@fairewinds.com if you have questions.

Arnie is a nuclear engineer and was a nuclear power executive. I have posted his videos before. He's not an alarmist by any stretch, but he's concerned enough to set up a citizen's monitoring program, because sure as hell the governments of USA and Canada aren't doing anything!


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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:00 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
When you have widespread deposition, it's a little hard not to breathe it in or ingest it. It gets in the soil, in the groundwater, in the plants. You drink, you eat, and dirt gets kicked up by the wind and your breathe in some dust.



No doubt you will breath some of it in. Hardly a square meter, but some. Even if you did take in as much material as in that rag it would be at most 20 mrem. People on average take in 40 mrem internaly per year.

http://www.haz-map.com/radiation.htm

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Give up on this, Nick, it's crazy hot.

Also, this guy followed the standard protocol (one square meter) for detecting deposited radionuclides, so I hope this guy sends his paper towel to Arnie Gunderson for detailed analysis.



Okay it is standard protocol. That does not mean he did not concentrate it. You do the the same thing when measuring for radiologicals in water, you take a gallon of water, then run that through a filter to concentrate any radiological to measure them.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Arnie is a nuclear engineer and was a nuclear power executive. I have posted his videos before. He's not an alarmist by any stretch, but he's concerned enough to set up a citizen's monitoring program, because sure as hell the governments of USA and Canada aren't doing anything!



Monitoring is always good.



I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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