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When the Middle Class Goes Homeless

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UPDATED: Friday, September 9, 2011 08:55
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Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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At a homeless shelter on Skid Row in Los Angeles, there's a man who once made a six-figure salary as a successful producer of Hollywood films and sitcoms. He produced a movie that grossed tens of millions at the box office, was represented by one of the largest television agencies and used to be friends with well-known actors. But then he had trouble getting work, and after a while was unable to pay rent. His family moved in with a friend, but then that house went into foreclosure. So four months ago, with nowhere else to turn, he arrived at the shelter with his wife and two boys. "I did everything I could not to end up in the stereotype of a shelter," says the producer, who asks not to be identified because he fears jeopardizing his chance of landing work. "I want out of here so bad I don't even want to engage in the culture. I don't want to be comfortable because I'm not."

The man and his family are doing everything they can to maintain a sense of pride, and they are trying desperately to hold onto their former lives. Their 8-year-old son spends four hours on a public bus everyday so he can keep attending school in his former neighborhood. His mother proudly exhibits his honor-roll certificates and gives examples of how smart he is. When the father does get hired for lesser work on films, he'll ask people to pick him up at a nearby loft residence so he doesn't have to disclose he's homeless. For months, his wife avoided contact with a shelter worker she had met years ago because she didn't want the staff member to know she was homeless. "You're used to having, and you downsize and you downsize. What do you do when you have nothing left?" says the wife, who used to work as a nurse's assistant. "The hardest part is, How do you maintain your daily life and keep things intact for the kids and your own sanity, and at the same time move forward?"

Homelessness is not a new phenomenon. What is new — and so alarming — is that more and more of the homeless are families that once believed they were secure members of the middle class. The number of families hosted by this Los Angeles shelter, called the Union Rescue Mission, has tripled since the economic crisis began in 2008 and has hit a record high of more than 60 in recent weeks. The growing trend is a sign that the nationwide economic slump is having a brutal impact on poverty in states that have high unemployment rates like California, and that a feared second recession could push the poor there over the edge and make a solid recovery even harder.
.....
The word devastating is an understatement on Skid Row. Walk out the front door of the Union Rescue Mission, and it becomes evident why families make this an absolute last resort. The shelter sits in an area lined with people subsisting in tents, living out of shopping carts or suitcases, or just plain sleeping on concrete. Some of them smoke crack, some are in wheelchairs, some are mentally ill, and others are just trying to survive without a job or a home. It smells terrible since some people relieve themselves on the street for lack of a better place. For safety reasons, shelter workers advise visitors not to walk alone on the streets, even in broad daylight.

Inside the shelter walls, when the Union Rescue Mission CEO, the Rev. Andy Bales, answers the phone and someone asks how he's doing, he often starts off with a customary "I'm hangin' in there." After further inquiry, he replies in a low, battered tone, "It's kind of wearing me out." The shelter is faced with decreased funding from private donors, salary cuts for staff and declining morale about how long it will be able to continue helping people. And now, there's the threat of a second recession. "It's terrifying. It's been keeping me up at night the last few days," Bales says. "I've been thinking, 'Here we go again. How are we going to weather this?'" Meanwhile, the shelter is at "more than overcapacity," he says, as people sleep in tents on wheels inside the building because there are no more beds. More than half of the families at the shelter lost their homes in the housing crisis. "That's the big change. These are people who are experiencing homelessness for the first time," Bales says. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2090997,00.html

This is what angers me when righties (especially those here) talk about "living off the government teat" and sees these people as "bums" unwilling to work. It's a blindness I find unconscionable.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Actually, yanno what pisses ME off??


Every time the economy is going good, there is business and finance... thumping its collective chest and taking the credit for job creation.

But when things go south...when the financial system overreaches and crashes, and people are tossed out of work, and more than half of the work-age population cannot find a job even when they WANT to work, where is business/finance?

WHINGING AND BLAMESTORMING!

"We need more money, we need more certainty, it's all government's fault"

What a crock.

Jimminy crimminy!

If you're going to take the credit then be ready to take take the blame too, and for god's sake stop whining.

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Monday, September 5, 2011 8:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SignyM:
If you're going to take the credit then be ready to take take the blame too, and for god's sake stop whining.



Rangel, Frank and Dodd aren't fretting over the mess THEY made...quite the contrary.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, September 5, 2011 9:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Damned straight, Sig, and Raptor's response is wonderfully illustrative of the mentality of his ilk. Like the article which detailed how the "poor" aren't "poor" any more...all of a piece. Their rationalizations leave me wanting to , too.


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Monday, September 5, 2011 9:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Maybe you should puke , Niki, and rid your body of those toxic drugs you apparently have ingested over the decades.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, September 5, 2011 10:24 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
and for god's sake stop whining.


I've noticed this too, over the past couple months much of the rhetoric I've been hearing from so-called conservatives amounts to EXACTLY that, whining, do they even *listen* to themselves anymore?
"I can't have my way, waaah, waaaah!!"
Damn, for all their other sins one had to admit the bastards had balls, not to mention severe amounts of audacity and gall, but nowawadys they just sound like petulant children, which pisses me off even worse when the other side is so gutless as well.

We should just go ahead and take over while the spineless little bitches are hiding under the bed since they've put most of their ability to stop us out in the boonies beyond quick recall, but that's just my opinion.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:26 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
WHINGING AND BLAMESTORMING!



You mean like "The REPUBLICANS won't let us pass ANY LEGISLATION"? Or "WHERE are all the JOBS the REPUBLICANS PROMISED?"

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, September 6, 2011 1:02 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Geezer, you're mischaracterizing. At least where it comes to me. MY argument was that the Republicans RAN ON THE PROMISE OF CREATING JOBS, then proceeded, once elected, to pass only laws reflecting their agenda, anti-union, anti-government workers, social issues and proposed NOTHING about jobs. It wasn't whining, it was clearly pointing out that they were elected to do one thing, but completely the opposite; their actions actually COST jobs in fact. The entire point was that they were smooth, they said what they needed to say to get elected, then did what they wanted to all along. And continued to claim they got a "mandate" to do what they're doing. It's called bait and switch.

You're mischaracterizing it as "Republicans won't LET US pass any legislation"; in reality it's "Republicans have made it clear they WILL OPPOSE EVERYTHING". I want a two-party (at least) system; the only way anything is done "for the good of the people/country" is through compromise. Each side starts with what they want, then they get together and haggle until they come up with something in the middle, y'know? When I see one party, or persons in one party, propose something, then see them turn around and fight tooth and nail to OPPOSE the very same thing when they are no longer in power, and quite clearly hear members of that party CROW that they are going to say "no" to anything and everything, and should even go beyond that and say "hell no!", I say so. The only way countries work (for a time at least) without compromise is called "dictatorship", and I don't want to become one. But I'd call it more "screaming" than "whining", myself.

On the other hand; Frem, I don't see them as whinging at all. I see them as stirring up their base and having a good old time in the states where they have the power to do exactly what they want. Nationally, I see them basking in their own self-importance and believing they're riding a wave of power. We'll see what the future brings, but bitching and moaning about the opposition is par for the course to rile up any side's base.

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Tuesday, September 6, 2011 4:49 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer, you're mischaracterizing.



Nope. It's the era of bitching and whining. Both sides are doing it and it seems to be successful at energizing their bases. "Party of No", "Socialists", They won't pass any legislation", "They want to spend the country into bankruptcy", "They don't care about the poor", "They don't care about burden of regulation on the small businessman".

I know you read the blogs doing the B&W for the liberals, since you post them here. There are blogs doing the same for the Republicans. The Media on both sides is doing the same. I've given up on national news, since it's such a whinefest.

I'm afraid neither party is looking for solutions any more. They're just looking to get re-elected.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:46 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Trust me I know, people who have never struggled to find housing before are in huge pinches, we've got the same amount of housing options and more people who need them. Fortunately some new apartment buildings are opening for people who need a bit of help, that is a good thing.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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I know you read the blogs doing the B&W for the liberals, since you post them here
Thanx for the assumption, Geezer, I always appreciate that. I look things up on Google, I don't read any blogs; I usually check the first thing that matches my term best, and use whatever it is unless it's written poorly, then I go to the next one. I try to avoid things which are too heavily slanted, but since the media picks something up and it gets slathered all over the place, it's usually what comes up.

I check out CNN, Time, CBS, Christian Science Monitor and New Scientist for things I think might interest someone, but I don't read any blogs regularly, and do my best to avoid Huffpost and Young Turks, among others. I don't even watch MSNBC much anymore, I'm so sick of the bullshit. Never WOULD watch the "What'shisnme Show", and now they've added Jackson, I've about had it with them. But I'm glad you know what I think and what I do without asking, I'm sure that gives you a nice sense of your own superiority.


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Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:18 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I look things up on Google, I don't read any blogs...



Like this one?

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2011/aug/25/bid-block-idaho-monta
na-wolf-hunts-rejected/%3C/font%3E%3Chr%20color='#999999
'

Sorry, but I'm traveling and don't have time to look up all the others.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 5:11 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

That link is not working for me, but I think Niki is saying she does not read any particular blog regularly, rather she scans the vast web-o-sphere and reads articles related to her searches on an individual basis without a special commitment to any individual source.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

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Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 8:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Please don't try to correct Geezer on his strawmanning... it's his go-to rhetorical device.

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:51 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

That link is not working for me, but I think Niki is saying she does not read any particular blog regularly, rather she scans the vast web-o-sphere and reads articles related to her searches on an individual basis without a special commitment to any individual source.



When I copied the link I think I got some of her color-change coding as well. It's her link in the thread about wolf hunts.

I'm not sure if Niki, or any one here, has a list of blogs they follow, but the articles she uses as the basis of the many threads she creates aren't what you'd call middle-of-the-road, despite her denials. I also don't know what she uses as keywords in her Google searches, but I doubt stuff like "Party of NO", or "Republican interference", or Where's the jobs, Republicans" is gonna bring up much even-handed discussion.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Shit, Geezer, go find someone else to pick on for a change, I'm sick of being your target.
Quote:

she does not read any particular blog regularly, rather she scans the vast web-o-sphere and reads articles related to her searches on an individual basis without a special commitment to any individual source.
Thank you Anthony. I've even posted stuff from FauxNews, as well as Christian Science Monitor (they do an excellent job of writing), and usually I know little about the source, so I try two or three sites and pick the most well-written one.

I never denied in the slightest that what I post is "middle of the road"...where you got that gawd knows. I post what interests me, and what I think might interest others. I post about totally neutral subjects, like the wolf hunt. I post specific snarks at idiocy of politicians, occasionally even Democrats, tho' they don't provide nearly as much, or as entertaining, fare. My leanings are liberal, ergo 99% of the time when it's about politics, it reflects my leanings, as with almost everyone here. That doesn't mean the facts and/or figures presented aren't accurate.

I also never said I was seeking "even-handed discussions". Nor, I believe, has anyone else. Most people put up threads that reflect their own point of view. But no, I didn't google
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"Party of NO", or "Republican interference", or Where's the jobs, Republicans
I googled "Republicans say party of no", "Republicans embrace party of no", etc., because the question was whether THEY claimed to be such. It's pretty well known they've termed themselves that, so when you denied it I went looking for specifics about them claiming the title for themselves. "Republicans run on Jobs" was one of the others, and "Republican candidates promise jobs", "Republican mantra jobs"; again, it's fairly well known and you refuted it, so I went looking for something about it; you rejected what I found, so I tried something else, I forget what, but it landed me John Boehner's webpage, with the entire first page about jobs, "from mantra to..." something else, which SHOULD have proven my point. "Republican interference" I didn't even look up; there are plenty of examples, it's again common knowledge. You just choose to ignore what most other people know, they have seen and heard it over and over and over so many times. Maybe you only watch Fox News, I don't know, but I'm not sure how else you missed what's been going on rather blatantly for the past year or two.

Please go pick your own nose and leave mine alone; you don't know me and I don't know you, all I know is you've gotten pretty damned offensive and I'm getting sick of it. You're not even as amusing as Raptor or Wulf, and I used to respect you...more fool I!


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Thursday, September 8, 2011 7:37 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I think it is possible to represent your point of view while also having an even-handed discussion. At least, I hope so. Otherwise I strive in vain.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 2:04 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

That link is not working for me, but I think Niki is saying she does not read any particular blog regularly, rather she scans the vast web-o-sphere and reads articles related to her searches on an individual basis without a special commitment to any individual source.



When I copied the link I think I got some of her color-change coding as well. It's her link in the thread about wolf hunts.

I'm not sure if Niki, or any one here, has a list of blogs they follow, but the articles she uses as the basis of the many threads she creates aren't what you'd call middle-of-the-road, despite her denials. I also don't know what she uses as keywords in her Google searches, but I doubt stuff like "Party of NO", or "Republican interference", or Where's the jobs, Republicans" is gonna bring up much even-handed discussion.

"Keep the Shiny side up"




I'll note for the record that you're not exactly known for posting "even-handed" sources yourself. You have as big a partisan bias as anyone here; you just don't like having it pointed out.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 3:19 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'll note for the record that you're not exactly known for posting "even-handed" sources yourself.



Provide three links I posted, along with thread links so we can establish context.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, September 9, 2011 3:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Geezer, are you Tony?

Wow, good job! Never saw it coming!

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:22 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, are you Tony?

Wow, good job! Never saw it coming!



Hello,

What's this about, then?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think Geezer was responding in your stead.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:28 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I think Geezer was responding in your stead.



Hello,

It must be too early for me. I'm making hash of everything I try to understand this AM.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 4:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Me too! I think Geezer was responding to a comment about him, but it was closely related to a comment that you made.

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Friday, September 9, 2011 6:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

I think it is possible to represent your point of view while also having an even-handed discussion
It is, Anthony, but it takes two to do so and, in my opinion, when one party isn't interested in "even handedness", it can't be done. Takes two to tango, you know? I think some here are interested in even-handed discussions/debates, but some are more interested in being nasty, and it gets irksome.

I must be less than awake, because I didn't understand Sig's reference either. I think it relates somehow to Geezer saying "post links", but I'm not sure how that relates to you...maybe I need breakfast so my brain can start working.

Sadly, however, this discussion is yet another example of the initial issue being lost in discussions of personalities, just like the last thread I was in. I wish we could find a way to keep things more on track; it's not that threadjacking is wrong, but threads getting jacked into discussing personalities become kind of a waste.


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Friday, September 9, 2011 6:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Tony, what do you mean by "even-handed"? Do you mean representing both sides at once? Or do you simply mean refraining from nastiness, and listening to other views?

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Friday, September 9, 2011 7:38 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"Do you mean representing both sides at once? Or do you simply mean refraining from nastiness, and listening to other views?"

Hello,

I would say refraining from nastiness and listening to other views, which allows both sides to be well represented.

I very well realize that this is a difficult course to maintain when confronted with some of the personalities here.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, September 9, 2011 8:55 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Please don't try to correct Geezer on his strawmanning... it's his go-to rhetorical device.



THIS.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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