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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Does Obama have a chance? Well, he probably SHOULDN'T have a chance at re-election, and he's probably the worst candidate running - except for every Republican in the race, of course.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Does Obama have a chance? Well, he probably SHOULDN'T have a chance at re-election, and he's probably the worst candidate running - except for every Republican in the race, of course.

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But don't you think he just walked into the mess Bush created. Not like he is standing still, it is just that things take time to change.

I also agree with many that he hasn't lived up to his promise.

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Obama has made the best of an appallingly bad situation. I think a lot of Americans didn't grasp quite how bad the situation was. What's worse is that they still don't hence any action he or Congress to legislate against a reoccurence is labelled class warfare or taxing 'job creators'.

You don't want to know how much worse it could get.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
A lot of people hear keep saying they wish there was a better candidate. My questions is, what would that better candidate be like?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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I wish somebody on the left would primary his ass, but it's not going to happen.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Hello,

I do not agree that he has done the best job possible. He has backed laws and blocked the prosecution of laws that detail civil rights abuses. To say that it could have been worse is not saying that it's the best it could be.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

A better candidate would promise to end the security theater, and when confronted about the possibility of future attacks, will explain that a free society must be a brave society. That bravery does not come from whittling away freedom in exchange for a sense of security, but rather in proudly enduring its dangers.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Hello,

I do not agree that he has done the best job possible. He has backed laws and blocked the prosecution of laws that detail civil rights abuses. To say that it could have been worse is not saying that it's the best it could be.

--Anthony

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Yup. And yet when you look at the President that preceded him and the Republican candidates hankering for his job and indeed the attitudes of Hilary Clinton who clearly felt it was her Presidency by right, Obama's far more liberal.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Funny enough, this is what I think when I have endured TSA checkpoints, "this is one of the prices of being free."
And I'll take bad theatre any day over doing nothing..."

Hello,

I will have to disagree with you there. In fact, while the choice between 'security theatre' and 'doing nothing' is a false choice...

Doing nothing would have been the far less costly option for our country, both in terms of actual costs and in terms of freedoms surrendered.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
There is ONE thing I can get behind, tho: Tax millionaires.

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Sig, I already have proved you wrong

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much of this fiasco has to do w/ Fannie and Freddie, guaranteeing high risk loans

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Originally posted by AURaptor: I've provided more than ample evidence to support my view"

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

M52, then you'd be wrong.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

When you can comment on the items I've posted, which are specific to the discussion at hand, I'll reply. Until then, have a great day.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The 'banks' didn't do anything what the govt didn't allowed them to do and even forced them to do, for purely political reasons.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:This has been debated and discussed ad nauseum, but you just want to focus on the " evil rich". I got news for ya, there will always be rich, and super rich folks. Even in the old Soviet Union, there were super wealthy folks, but far fewer, and a hell of a lot more living in poverty. But hey, it was more 'fair' back then, right ? More folks had less $, and only the very few had lots of it.

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It is not because the rich are evil that people are calling for them to be taxed more, but because when you take into account all the types of taxes they don't pay there fair share.

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In a interview with Chicago’s Don Wade & Roma radio show this morning, Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky claimed that Americans aren’t entitled to all of their own money.

Toward the end of a wide-ranging interview, the hosts played a clip from this week’s Republican Presidential Debate where California teenager Tyler Hinsley asked, “Of every dollar that I earn, how much do you think I deserve to keep?” Co-host Don Wade asked Schakowsky to answer the same question.

After some initial back-and-forth, she replied, “I’ll put it this way, you don’t deserve to keep all of it. It’s not a question of deserving, because what government is, is those things that we decide to do together.”

Despite the hosts’ persistence, Schakowsky declined to answer what percentage of a person’s income they deserved to keep. “I pay at a 35% tax rate, happy to do it,” she explained when the hosts persisted with their question. She again declined to say how much more she would personally be willing to pay.

But Rep. Schakowsky is not alone. Her views are sadly typical of a liberal worldview that sees a person’s earnings as belonging first to the state. In fact, the left is now doubling down on this misguided belief, with the President pushing for more stimulus spending despite the failures of earlier “stimulus.”

But while the left continues to promote the same failed policies—more taxes, more regulation, more big government—conservatives need to trumpet the benefits of low taxes, sensible regulations, and small government. As Heritage’s Dubay explains:

The best way to grow revenues is to promote faster economic growth, which will increase the number of taxpayers and taxable income more rapidly. Tax hikes—whether through higher tax rates or slashing credits, deductions, and exemptions without offsetting reductions elsewhere—will not do the job. Under President Obama’s current policies, spending will continue to grow at a faster rate than can be paid for by tax hikes—even assuming the huge tax increases the President insists upon. To add insult to injury, as history has shown, tax hikes would slow economic growth and make it even harder for unemployed Americans to find a job.

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/09/14/congresswoman-jan-schakowsky-you-d
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"Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet."
-Hussein Obama Soetoro
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=297609#ixzz1MA1K19BK

"We invented all kinds of ways to obtain false identity papers, and got busy building multiple sets of ID for each of us and for every contingency. We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart."
-Bill Ayres, terrorist bomber in Weather Underground for CIA's Operation Northwoods, confessed author of Obama's "autobiography" Dreams of My Father

"Obama is a radical Communist. He's going to destroy this country, and we're either going to stop him, or the United States of America is going to cease to exist."
-Ambassador Alan Keyes PhD, black candidate for president against Obama in 2008
http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com

"Being an American is not a matter of blood or birth, it’s a matter of faith. Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, and then there are ignorant mutherfuckers like you! You can put lipstick on a pig. Sorry ass mutherfucker's got nuttin on me. I inhaled frequently - that was the point. Pot helped, and booze. A little blow when you could afford it. Junkie, pothead. That's where I'd been headed. You ain't my bitch nigger, git your own damn fries!"
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

They actually pay far more than their fair share. And it's not even remotely close.

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The problem isn't that we're not taxed enough, it's that we're spending far too much.

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But Obama and the Dems ARE painting the 'rich' as being evil, greedy, how ever you want to paint it, simply because they want to keep some of what they earn.

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Wanna talk strawmen ? Here's a great example...

‘YOU DON’T DESERVE TO KEEP ALL’ YOUR MONEY…SAYS DEM REP. SCHAKOWSKY

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

You're confusing wealth to income. It's not how much left over 'the rich' have, it's how much $ the federal govt gets from all of us, and how it then decides to use that $.

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I know what a straw man argument is. Clearly, you do not. NO ONE has made the claim that we should allow the 'rich' to keep ALL of their money. It's a completely false position the Congresswoman is raising here.

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