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The future of capitalism
Friday, September 23, 2011 7:25 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Friday, September 23, 2011 9:10 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:My answer to this question would be no. But I also wonder whether capitalism should be answering to the prosecution. We failed as regulators, we failed as supervisors, we failed as corporate governance managers, we failed as risk managers, and we also failed in the allocation of roles and responsibilities for international economic organisations. Some international organisations saw the crisis coming. Some even managed to put out some warnings, but they did not co-ordinate their assessments, they did not speak with one strong voice. Thus, they were ignored in an atmosphere of great prosperity where everybody was making a lot of money and everybody thought that innovation was the name of the game - and by warning that something could go wrong, you would look like you were holding progress back. There was also the philosophy that markets needed to function with the least possible government intervention. But that did not mean that they could work without any intervention at all, nor did it necessarily mean that the intervention could be such a light touch that you were not able to identify risks.
Quote:The extreme form of capitalism which has permeated the world, particularly in the last 30-40 years, is in deep trouble and we are in denial. It is important to understand that fundamental principles of capitalism - that human beings are rational and markets behave rationally, and that markets will assign prices - are flawed. It is also important to understand the roots of modern capitalism. You could argue that slavery was the first attempt to under-price resources. When slavery came to an end there was colonisation, which was again an attempt by the capitalist model to use resources cheaply. With the end of colonies, we had the globalisation argument of economic growth and then the globalisation of finance. When I speak about this in Europe, they say there has been 30 years of over-leverage, but I say they should multiply that by 10 and look at 300 years of essentially exploited growth. What we need to recognise now is that the world is a very different place from what it was 100 years ago when we had one billion people. With a current population approaching seven billion, things will have to change. A fundamental issue that the world will have to recognise, and which Western capitalism has conveniently ignored, is that the goods and services which companies and economies seem to thrive on are based on under-pricing resources and externalising costs. That game is over and we need a fundamental restructuring - essentially about how people will live, and we need to move beyond simple notions about growth to more sophisticated, nuanced discussions about human progress.
Quote:Every society clings to a myth by which it lives. Ours is the myth of economic growth. For the last five decades, the pursuit of growth has been the single most important policy goal across the world. The global economy is five times the size it was half a century ago. If it continues to grow at the same rate it will be 80 times that size by the year 2100. This extraordinary ramping up of global economic activity is without historical precedent. It is totally at odds with the finite resource base and the fragile ecology on which we depend for survival. Most of the time, we avoid the stark reality of these numbers. Growth must go on, we insist. The reasons for this collective blindness are easy enough to find. Western capitalism is structurally reliant on growth for its stability. When growth falters - as it has done recently - politicians panic. Businesses struggle to survive. People lose their jobs and sometimes their homes. Questioning growth is deemed to be the act of lunatics, idealists and revolutionaries. Yet question it we must. The myth of growth has failed us. It has failed the two billion people who still live on less than $2 a day. It has failed the fragile ecological systems on which we depend for survival. But economic crisis presents us with a unique opportunity to invest in change. To sweep away the short-term thinking that has plagued society for decades. To engage, for instance, in a radical overhaul of dysfunctional capital markets.
Friday, September 23, 2011 1:31 PM
DREAMTROVE
Friday, September 23, 2011 2:06 PM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Our capitalism was corrupted by socialism. The US and EU govt. interference in both taxation and stimulus has led to a govt. managed economy, a capitalist-socialist hybrid, and it's not new, it's been true ever since they let JM Keynes in the front door.
Friday, September 23, 2011 5:04 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:25 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:54 PM
PHOENIXSHIP
Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:08 PM
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