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Originally posted by AURaptor:

If it's not Boeing, I'm not going.



Too bad Boeing has built a perfectly good factory in S. Carolina, ready to employ some 1000 people, Americans, who want and need a steady pay check, but because of the Democrats, it's not allowed to open up and start production.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

There's nothing remotely illegal in a private company choosing where to do its business.

At least, in a FREE society. But props on parroting the regime's talking points.

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The NLRB is acting as an arm of the Obama admin, and well beyond its place here. Your ignorance on this matter, and blind allegiance to anything from the regime, is telling.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's nothing unfair about what Boeing is doing.. No old jobs were being phased out. Those in WA who had their jobs last year would still have them. This is an entirely new line, w/ new employees.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Well except for the fact that Boeing could easily continue to manufacture planes in the new plant in the event of a labor strike in the old plant. In fact the company admitted that was part of their reasoning for building where they did. That is illegal as it interferes with the rights and power of workers to organize.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:And why shouldn't they admit it ? It's their company. There's nothing illegal about it in the least. It's a smart business move, is what it is. Let those idiots strike, and shut down one part of the company. Doesn't mean the rest of the folks have to suffer too.

You really are having a tough time grasping this concept of freedom, aren't you ?

This crap the NLRB is pulling is unprecedented in how the govt is treating business.

This is your regime, focusing like a laser beam, on the economy ?

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

The National Labor Relations Act says what Boeing is tryign to do is illegal. The National Laboe Relations Act is law. Do you grasp that?

Allowing further errosion of workers rights is not going help anything. We have labor laws for a damn good reason.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:And no, the NLRB isn't " the law ". This case is being reviewed in a court - OF LAW

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Correct. And the discussion was the actions of the NLR 'BOARD', not the ACT, so the strawman you introduced was quite unnecessary.

It's the actions of the NLRB which are being called into question, as they appear to be motivated purely by politics, and not matters of the law.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

It is a matter of law because their actions are based on that act. The NLRB finds that what Boeing is doing violates the law.

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NLRB documents shed light on Boeing fight in South Carolina


BY JAMES ROSEN

MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS

WASHINGTON — Lawyers for the federal labor agency fighting Boeing’s new factory in North Charleston, N.C., repeatedly joked among themselves about the dispute and exchanged a political cartoon portraying S.C. Sen. Glenn McConnell as a crass-speaking confederate soldier, according to internal documents released Wednesday.
The emails, memos and other documents from the National Labor Relations Board, which the agency provided in response to a Freedom of Information Act request, also portray Sen. Lindsey Graham’s behind-the-scenes efforts to prevent it from filing a complaint against Boeing.
And two internal emails on April 21 and April 22 refer to Sen. Jim DeMint as “Senator Dement” and “Sen. Dement,” with the normally capitalized “M” in his name typed as a small “m” in an apparent bid to tie it more directly to the word “demented.”
In an April 8 conversation, Graham warned NLRB acting general counsel Lafe Solomon against incurring DeMint’s wrath if he took action against Boeing over alleged union-busting at its Everett, Wash., commercial jet plants.
“He said that the charge would scare Boeing’s customers and could affect orders,” Solomon wrote in a note for his files after talking with Graham. “He said that the political fallout would be huge and that he was more reasonable than his Senate counterpart (DeMint).”
Graham used tougher words in a follow-up conversation three days later.
“He said that if a complaint was filed, it will be ‘nasty, very, very nasty,’” Solomon wrote in an April 11 file note. “He said that this was a case of how not to grow the economy. … He said that if (a) complaint issued, he was going ‘full guns-ablazing.’”
Solomon ignored Graham’s warnings and filed a complaint with the NLRB on April 20. It alleges that Boeing expanded production of its Dreamliner aircraft to South Carolina, a right-to-work state, in retaliation for past strikes by Machinists union members at its Puget Sound factories.
Boeing says it built the plant next to Charleston International Airport because the state government gave the aerospace giant $900 million in tax incentives and it couldn’t afford to production delays that future work stoppages might cause.
An NLRB administrative law judge in Seattle is considering the case following oral arguments by the two sides in June. It could end up in the federal courts and take years to resolve.
Graham, a Republican, said Wednesday that Solomon had described their conversations accurately, including his warning about DeMint. “Both senators were outraged,” Graham spokesman Kevin Bishop said.
DeMint took no offense at Graham’s characterization of him.
“He’s right,” DeMint said. “I tend to be less forgiving of these things.”
DeMint aimed his ire at the NLRB.


“These documents support what we all suspected,” the Republican said. “This is a politically driven attack on workers in right-to-work states by ideologues on the board to tilt the scales of justice in the union bosses’ favor.”


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/10/2495853/nlrb-documents-shed-ligh
t-on-boeing.html#ixzz1e6lA6VDg

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Good grief. Do you even have any damn CLUE about this case? Or are you just parroting back what you hear on MSNBC ?

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Good grief. Do you even have any damn CLUE about this case? Or are you just parroting back what you hear on MSNBC ?

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Yes I do, but apparently you don't. You don't care about the facts of the case, just that someone involved with it made fun of a member of the GOP.

Try again!

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Also the French have old socialistic unions who are putting Americans out of work.

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Also the French have old socialistic unions who are putting Americans out of work.

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How? How are "socialistic unions" in another country putting Americans out of work?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Also the French have old socialistic unions who are putting Americans out of work.

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How? How are "socialistic unions" in another country putting Americans out of work?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Hello,

Perhaps they are producing more efficiently?

--Anthony


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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Perhaps they are producing more efficiently?

--Anthony

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WTO final ruling: Airbus subsidies illegal, hurt Boeing

By Les Blumenthal | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — European governments illegally subsidized Airbus, allowing it to overtake Boeing and become the world's largest commercial airplane company, the World Trade Organization found in a final ruling Tuesday that could have trans-Atlantic repercussions, lawmakers who were briefed on the decision said.

The ruling, which upheld interim findings released last September, will remain confidential for several months, but it was delivered to the Office of the U.S. Trade

Representative and its European counterpart.

"Today's final ruling puts any doubts to rest — launch aid is an illegal subsidy that has cost America jobs, hurt our ability to compete and damaged our overall economy," Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said in a statement after being briefed.

Also briefed was Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., who said later that the WTO had concluded that Airbus "could not have achieved the growth of market share — harming U.S. workers — without its pattern of illegal assistance.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I think some subsidies are allowed and others aren’t.

Also- merely buying something from them may not count as a subsidy.

A subsidy is probably more like what we do with solar panels and electric cars.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I am surprised to learn that we are able to declare foreign subsidies illegal.

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I wonder what injustices they are fighting in the trading community, other than 'subsidies.' I wonder what laws they've imposed to prevent true horrors of international trading, and what consequences they have levied.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

The most impressive innovation of the JF-17 is its low cost of production. It makes me wonder what we are doing wrong here in the states, when our comparable jets costs twice as much to produce. I wonder if they are able to feature such a price-tag by exploiting their workers, or if there is some other element afoot.

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