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POSTED BY: CANTTAKESKY
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 07:51
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:06 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Good speech. (This is for you, DT.)




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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:11 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Gotta disagree.

Govt, and it's reckless spending of the people's money, the needless regulations, and over reaching bureaucracy, is the main culprit here.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:23 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Good speech. (This is for you, DT.)






Some very good points. And I agree, despite our differences, we would all be better off if we were together.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ouch. Terribly on point, and very sad. And, unfortunately, I doubt it will ever change. Certainly not as long as the idea of compromise is rejected. People can't work together unless there is give and take from both parties so that they can look for some commonality, rather than focusing on the "my way or the highway" mentality. If we could find those commonalities and both sides could manage some compromise, we might have time to deal with the REAL threats.



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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:09 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ouch. Terribly on point, and very sad. And, unfortunately, I doubt it will ever change. Certainly not as long as the idea of compromise is rejected. People can't work together unless there is give and take from both parties so that they can look for some commonality, rather than focusing on the "my way or the highway" mentality. If we could find those commonalities and both sides could manage some compromise, we might have time to deal with the REAL threats.


Unfortunately so-called-conservatism these days has as a CORE BELIEF the notion that "My worldview is so flawed it cannot co-exist in the presence of any other, so you must die!"

I didn't make it them or us, I'd rather it not be that way, never come to that, but since it prettymuch has...

Ain't gonna be them.
Just sayin.

-F

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Monday, November 21, 2011 7:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Gotta disagree.

Govt, and it's [sic] reckless spending of the people's money...



On useless, needless, illegal wars...

Quote:

...the needless regulations, and over reaching bureaucracy, is the main culprit here.


Like trying to tell other nations what they can and can't do, and trying to enforce our own regulations on them?

Yeah, that is what brought us into this mess.


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, November 21, 2011 8:07 PM

CANTTAKESKY


We should all just share a piece of this delicious pie.



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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth. -- Lucy Parsons (1853-1942, labor activist and anarcho-communist)

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Monday, November 21, 2011 8:40 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


This is the second time today that CTS has mentioned pie, I think she's excited about Thanksgiving coming up.
:)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:02 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Pie is good...

In fact I think every politician should have to duck one once in a while - it's a nice way of expressing how pissed off folk are while also showing that they don't intend actual harm.

Of course, one of our local politicos, Rahbi, mentioned that he'd much, much rather you BRING him the pie so it doesn't go to waste, cause he'll actually hear you out if you do.

-F

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:28 AM

BYTEMITE


If only.

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Pie is good...

In fact I think every politician should have to duck one once in a while - it's a nice way of expressing how pissed off folk are while also showing that they don't intend actual harm.

Of course, one of our local politicos, Rahbi, mentioned that he'd much, much rather you BRING him the pie so it doesn't go to waste, cause he'll actually hear you out if you do.

-F




I'd like to think you could do a lot of bipartisan things if you could just sit some people down with some politicians over pie.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:19 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh it's amazing the level of diplomatic options you can open up with something as basic, as simple, as the sharing of food.

It's one of THE most basic interactions that speaks to our very humanity, goes right past questions of ideology and personal agenda, and in most countries the notion of hospitality is far far more respected than in our own.

I did mention the whole chocolate chip cookies thing in regard to my buddy in Kosovo when that was going down, and there's plenty of other times I've used my culinary skills to defuse what might otherwise be a hostile negotiation - although I'm not quite-exactly above using them to bend people to my will neither, meh heh heh.

I've never actually had the circumstances to test it, but in the manner of the infamous WWI Xmas Truce, or the "cease fire" scene from Children of Men - I've posited that one could probably stop even a firefight in progress by sending one matronly lady straight through the middle with a plate of freshly baked cookies, in that it would completely short-circuit trained aggression and allow peoples basic humanity to re-assert itself.

Of course, that presumes the people in question HAVE basic humanity to begin with, but frankly most people do, as I say, most sociopathic behavior in our society is learned rather than inborn mental misfire, and a persons reaction to such offers is one of my tricks for finding out for sure which one it really is with someone.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 4:16 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Hi Frem, I imagine that even Anti-social-personality-disorder (the bad seed kind) doesn't stop someone from liking cookies, cookies are indeed universal, as is pie, yum! I'm curious how you'd use the introduction of sugar goodness to a situation to gage whether sociopathic behavior is learned or innate in them? This could prove useful for later application.

But I totally agree with you that sharing a meal together is something primal, something that is at the core of us, a universal thing, I've seen examples of this in various contexts and you've obviously seen them in real life.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, usually... candy.

I've always, ALWAYS got candy in my pockets, heaven knows all the brats know it, and so it's easy enough to just pull one out and offer it in idle conversation - and then watch carefully their reaction.

It tells you a lot about them, how they view you, and what their intentions might be, right there.

Honestly I stole the idea from Dr. Who tho...
Jelly Babies, hehehehe.

-F

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:38 AM

BYTEMITE


If they take the candy, laugh, and then shoot you, they're probably a sociopath. But I imagine there's more subtle signs as well.

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA



There is, admittedly, some entertainment aspect to deliberately short-circuiting someones thought processes that way, I have to admit...

"Well, I'm not sure if I agree with that.. OOOH Candy!... what was I saying again ?"

Some days it's almost too easy.

-F

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