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Agreed. Okay, I take back the effueahole and apologize. I'm a might touchy today, more than is usual for me. This whole diabetes thing has spun me about.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
MOST vaccines in TODAY'S world and time are at best a harmless economic scam, and at worst a serious health risk given the political agenda, the amateurish preparation by minimum wage, ill trained personnel, and the desire to trust in those that know 'better than you do' despite sloppy, rushed and incomplete data.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

now they're trying to lab-grow some horrific hybrid variation of an H-series jumper flu which has Captain Trips written all over it, and I am far from sanguine about their motives here.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
This is a new thing you're dealing with?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I spent years stressing over a child with major disabilities and ongoing medical problems. I wish I had stressed less and focused on the good stuff more.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Cinnamon. Get Cinnamon pill dietary supplements.

Does amazing things to correct blood sugar. I have no idea why, but my father and I have both benefited.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
it seems to me, if he is happy, then it's all good. It seems better to focus on the potential for the good things in life than to tie an anchor around your neck of the things that you thought were going to be.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
My crazy unsubstantiated theory is that in the future we will discover that viruses are responsible for a lot more diseases than we ever imagined, including onset of diabetes and cancers.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Uh, nitpick much?

The concern about thimerosal is that it contains mercury. When someone says, "Thimerosal in vaccines does not cause autism," what they really mean is "Mercury in vaccines does not cause autism."

Stop reading if you wish, but it would be like rejecting an article discussing eating paint chips (lead) and brain damage because paint chips are not the same thing as lead.

You're missing the point.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's an organomercury compound, ethylmercury is a metabolite. In solution, ethylmercury degrades into inorganic mercury. It's not an incorrect statement to say vaccines have mercury in them when they have thimerosal in them.

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The researchers found higher levels of inorganic mercury in the brains and kidneys of the thimerosal treated animals than in the methylmercury-fed animals.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Ethylmercury also does not accumulate in the body that way elemental mercury or other mercury compounds can.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Ethylmercury also does not accumulate in the body that way elemental mercury or other mercury compounds can.

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This statement is mostly based on a study by Michael Pichichero, where he compared ethylmercury levels from Day 1 to Day 21 after vaccination and found that blood ethylmercury levels fell rapidly. He concluded ethylmercury is excreted and eliminated from the body fast.

Problem with that? The blood samples from Day 1 through Day 21 came from 21 different children.

And the obvious whitewashing of the fact that just because it isn't in the blood doesn't mean it is outside of the body. If you compare the levels found in excretions and the levels measured in the blood, you will find a WHOLE lot of ethylmercury missing.

So anyone who repeats the canard that ethylmercury doesn't accumulate in the body in the same way as other mercury compounds hasn't read the original literature and is only parroting medical propaganda.

(ETA: It's been years since I've read the study myself, so if there are small errors in the above summary, I apologize. The gist remains the same.)

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And the downside OF vaccinating...
Can be exactly the same.

Did you not even READ those articles about vaccine-caused polio outbreaks, before jerking the knee ?

That seems almost a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, and those people, hell, ANY people, deserve better fekkin options than that.

We CAN do better, we SHOULD do better, and we don't, cause it's not profitable.

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A major concern about the oral polio vaccine (OPV) is its known ability to revert to a form that can achieve neurological infection and cause paralysis.[37] Clinical disease, including paralysis, caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV) is indistinguishable from that caused by wild polioviruses.[38] This is believed to be a rare event, but outbreaks of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) have been reported, and tend to occur in areas of low coverage by OPV, presumably because the OPV is itself protective against the related outbreak strain.[39][40]
Doses of oral polio vaccine are added to sugar cubes for use in a 1967 vaccination campaign in Bonn, Germany

As the incidence of wild polio diminishes, nations transition from use of the oral vaccine back to the injected vaccine because the direct risk of iatrogenic polio (VAPP) due to OPV outweighs the indirect benefit of immunization via subclinical transmission of OPV. When IPV is used, reversion is not possible but there remains a small risk of clinical infection upon exposure to reverted OPV or wild polio virus. Following the widespread use of polio vaccines in the mid-1950s, the incidence of poliomyelitis declined rapidly in many industrialized countries. The use of OPV was discontinued in the United States in 2000 and in 2004 in the UK, but it continues to be used around the globe.[16][29]

The rate of vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) varies by region but is generally about 1 case per 750,000 vaccine recipients.[41] VAPP is more likely to occur in adults than in children. In immunodeficient children, the risk of VAPP is almost 7,000 times higher, particularly for persons with B-lymphocyte disorders (e.g., agammaglobulinemia and hypogammaglobulinemia), which reduce the synthesis of protective antibodies.[38] The World Health Organization considers the benefits of vaccination to far outweigh the risk of vaccine derived polio. Outbreaks of vaccine derived polio have been stopped by multiple rounds of high-quality vaccination, in order to immunize the entire population.[42]

Outbreaks of VAPP occurred independently in Belarus (1965–66), Canada (1966–68), Egypt (1983–1993), Hispaniola (2000–2001), Philippines (2001), Madagascar (2001–2002),[43] and in Haiti (2002), where political strife and poverty have interfered with vaccination efforts.[44] In 2006 an outbreak of vaccine-derived poliovirus occurred in China.[45] Cases have been reported from Cambodia (2005–2006), Myanmar (2006–2007), Iran (1995, 2005–2007), Syria, Kuwait and Egypt.[46] Since 2005, The World Health Organization has been tracking vaccine-caused polio in northern Nigeria caused by a mutation in live oral polio vaccines.[47]

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I also love how you will lable literature from the medical community as propaganda yet will believe articles from website with little in the way of medical or scientific knowledge.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So my Son 'developed' Type 1 diabetes.
No genetic predisposition in the family.
What was he exposed to the Wife & I weren't?
Two things: Milk (he drinks hormone-free) & vaccinations.
Diabetes is on the rise in more well-to-do areas (where it's more likely everyone 'has their shots').
It's on the rise in cold areas (where peeps are more likely vaccinated for 'cold season').
And after he was diagnosed it was advised he get a flu shot to avoid getting it, which he PROMPTLY did a few weeks later.

My conclusion? Vaccinations are a scam. A dangerous one. Some peeps die, others get autism, etc.

Also, diabetes began its sharp incline in the early eighties, like, you know, AIDS.
We make our own plagues now, no need for fleas & ticks.

Where are you Signy, I need your comments...

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
I believe empirical evidence.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
If that was true you would not have started this thread.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
You missed the link I posted with does more then test the blood and found that ethylmercury is eliminated from the body. So no, that statement is not just based on a single study.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
The other study is slightly better, but not by much. Here is the monkey study.

http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info
:doi/10.1289/ehp.7712

The study would have been more convincing had they done the following. I understand why they did what they did, but I disagree it was the strongest they could have done, science-wise.

1. Assigned the monkeys randomly instead of semirandomly.
2. Administered both the methylmercury and the ethylmercury via the same means, instead of methyl via mouth and ethyl via IM injection.
3. Measured Hg levels in urine and feces. If it's not in the brain, not in the blood, and THEN not in the excrement, we must believe the Hg may be accumulating elsewhere in the body. A good pharmokinetic study would have measured excretion for sure.
4. Other things a good pharmokinetic study would have measured may include injection site, saliva, cerebrospinal fluid, kidneys, liver, etc.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Ultimately, it doesn't matter if ethylmercury is excreted faster than methylmercury or not. It is still fucking mercury and shouldn't be injected into children to begin with!

And that is the bottom line in this debate. Ethylmercury, no matter how differently it is processed than methylmercury, is still mercury.

OK, NOW I'm leaving.

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