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Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday told a reporter with the conservative news website The Daily Caller that the news organization was ginning up calls for him to resign over ATF’s botched Operation Fast and Furious.

The reporter approached Holder after an event at the White House on the federal government’s efforts to combat counterfeit goods.

“You guys need to… you guys need to stop this,” TPM heard Holder tell the reporter. “There’s not an organic thing happening, you guys are behind this.”

The Daily Caller has been calling up offices on Capitol Hill to solicit the opinions of Republicans on whether Holder should resign over the operation — which let guns flow across the border. While there’s been no evidence that Holder knew about the flawed strategy of letting guns “walk” in order to learn where they would end up, some Republicans have called on him to resign.

The Daily Caller’s first report on their canvass of Capitol Hill was about just four members of Congress who were on board with calling for Holder’s resignation. When they got to eight, they declared it evidence his “tenure in the Obama administration may be coming to an end.” Over time, the number has grown above 50. Holder still has the support of the White House and there’s no indication his resignation is coming anytime soon.

As TPM has been reporting, problems with “gun walking” in ATF’s Phoenix office predate the Obama administration.

[Correction: A previous version of this story related a word of Holder’s quote that TPM misheard. It has been corrected.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 ..."

And WHO was president then?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 ..."

And WHO was president then?

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 ..."

And WHO was president then?

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There ya go again, expecting Rappy to recognize a fact. Good luck.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You know, you're absolutely right.

OTOH - How long does it take to set up a large operation like that? How much time between proposal and consideration? How much planning? How much legal sign-off? How much marshaling of resources and personnel?

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And what about the 2007 precedent under Bush - Wide Receiver?

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Looking at all the administrative time-lag, in the end I suspect we'll find that the people who authorized the Fast and Furious were in the Bush administration, the same people who authorized the identical Wide Receiver operation back in 2007.

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"In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 ..."

And WHO was president then?

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There ya go again, expecting Rappy to recognize a fact. Good luck.

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he does a better job than you, apparently, of recognizing that January 20, 2009 comes before fall of 2009.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Bill Newell worked in the Arizona ATF during the Bush administration and was a major figure in two 'gunwalking' operations "Wide Receiver" (2006 - 2007) and "Too Hot to Handle" (2007) conceived as a part of a major 'gunwalking' strategy called "Project Gunrunner" hatched in 2005 by the ATF.

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By your own link, upper level Obama administration officials did not discuss or approve of any 'gunwalking' operations.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
But in Obama's mind, they're extremely competent.

This IS Obama's America.

Expose the corruption, pay the price. It's the Chicago way.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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"In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 ..."

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What about "Wide Receiver" (2006 - 2007) and "Too Hot to Handle" (2007)? Was that ALSO Obama?

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Considering that "Project Gunrunner" was a plan OFFICIALLY conceived of, green-lighted by, and implemented during the Bush administration, I think blaming Bush and his administration would have been appropriate, don't you?

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You seem to want to pretend that the two situations under the two administrations are identical and 'blame' should be equal. But they're not.

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The program under Bush definitely came from the top.

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But I think the evidence is unclear in Fast and Furious. By all accounts I've read, it's completely possible that the administration found out about it after the fact and had to try to recover some good out of it as best they could.

I don't accept an automatic finger-pointing at the Obama administration b/c the facts are not yet evident.

When the facts do come in I will reassess my position if needed.

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