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Occupy Wall Street takes on the housing crisis

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UPDATED: Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:19
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Wednesday, December 7, 2011 8:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Occupy Wall Street and other housing activists are heading to neighborhoods hit hard by foreclosure Tuesday to protest the mistreatment of homeowners by mortgage lenders.

Occupy Our Homes said it has scheduled a day of protests, with events scheduled in 25 cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and other cities.

Among the actions expected to occur is so-called foreclosure defense, where protestors try to stop police from evicting residents of homes that are being foreclosed upon.

Protestors in New York are expected to march to Brooklyn's East New York neighborhood, an area that has been hit hard by foreclosure. The demonstration, which will be led by New York Communities for Change (NYCC), will end with the protestors occupying a foreclosed home that has been vacant for several years.

Max Rameau, an organizer with Take Back the Land, said his organization has been taking these actions for years but it has gotten a boost from Occupy Wall Street. He expects a large turnout tomorrow.

"We think it's going to be huge because of the energy of Occupy Wall Street," he said. "The size and scope will be considerably bigger because of that." http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/05/real_estate/occupy_wall_street/index.h
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Baby steps...

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Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:06 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Among the actions expected to occur is so-called foreclosure defense, where protestors try to stop police from evicting residents of homes that are being foreclosed upon.


I doubt they've got the guts.

We'll see, I guess, but when it comes to an APC and a squad of goons firing volleys of "less-lethal" munitions at face level, possibly backed by an L-RAD system... we'll see what they're made of.

So long as they keep folding when they should double down, I sure as hell ain't backin em up.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, December 8, 2011 4:08 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Too bad thay can't emulate organizations such as Habitat for Humanity, which provide pretty much the same thing, except give the homeowners legal title so they don't have to live in fear of the actual owner deciding to kick them out.

If the house they're gonna occupy has been vacant for several years, hope they get a home inspector or someone to make sure it's really habitable.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, December 8, 2011 6:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


{{Smile}}...geez, Geezer, you're just really stuck on trying to find SOME way to paint Occupy negatively, aren'tcha? I hope you don't wrack your brain too much, wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

Just FYI: Most of the "actual owners" of these homes are the BANKS, who choose to sit on them rather than sell them. In case you hadn't heard:
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The nation’s biggest banks and mortgage lenders have steadily amassed real estate empires, acquiring a glut of foreclosed homes that threatens to deepen the housing slump and create a further drag on the economic recovery.

All told, they own more than 872,000 homes as a result of the groundswell in foreclosures, almost twice as many as when the financial crisis began in 2007, according to RealtyTrac, a real estate data provider. In addition, they are in the process of foreclosing on an additional one million homes and are poised to take possession of several million more in the years ahead.

Five years after the housing market started teetering, economists now worry that the rise in lender-owned homes could create another vicious circle, in which the growing inventory of distressed property further depresses home values and leads to even more distressed sales. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/economy/23glut.html?pagewan
ted=all
other words, the "owner" ain't gonna come around and doesn't give a SHIT about the abandoned homes. Nor will they sell the homes so that anyone else can own them.

Occupy is trying to bring attention to this situation; I don't see anyone else doing so. Like I said, I recognize your desperate need to find SOMETHING, anything, negative to point out about Occupy, but I'm afraid you failed pretty miserably. Wanna try again?



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Thursday, December 8, 2011 8:02 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Just FYI: Most of the "actual owners" of these homes are the BANKS, who choose to sit on them rather than sell them. In case you hadn't heard.



I know Habitat has been buying and turning around foreclosed properties. This will give homeowners more security than hoping that the real property owners (including BANKS) won't decide to sell out from under them, or scrap the homes for their copper or to consolidate the land under them for development, etc.

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2011/11/01/habitat-buying-home
s-in-foreclosure.html


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Occupy is trying to bring attention to this situation; I don't see anyone else doing so.


Habitat for Humanity comes to mind.

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Like I said, I recognize your desperate need to find SOMETHING, anything, negative to point out about Occupy...


And I recognize that you feel that no criticism of Occupy is valid. I'm just afraid that in this case they will give the folks who move into these homes a false sense of security that will be ruined when property values go up (they always do, in the end) and the actual owners kick them out.

In my opinion, there are better and safer ways to put folks in foreclosed homes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, December 8, 2011 10:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


If you bothered to read the article, you'll see that Occupy is DEMONSTRATING against foreclosures; may occupy one or more of the vacant homes; and considers (tho' I don't think they will) standing up to the police who are trying to evict people. NONE of that encompasses moving people INTO foreclosed homes, and it seems obvious that if they DO take a stand on the part of people being evicted, certainly the people involved know Occupy isn't going to STOP police, they're just protesting.

I have nothing whatsoever against people being negative about things regarding Occupy; I have a few myself. What I'm trying to do is educate people and counter the false things the MSM is "reporting"--which of course Frank Luntz and buddies have already said clearly they intend to do, and which I've seen more than once happen already.

I've thought for a while that they should be focusing more on DC and things like the legislators, K street, etc., rather than just setting up camps. I'm not thrilled with OccupyMarin because I think our focus is kind of skewed; we're doing clothing and food drives (which are already all over Marin) and not focusing on growing our own base as much as I'd like, and there are several other things with which I don't necessarily agree.

So you see, I'm not blindly in favor of OWS, I see problems and accept them. On the other hand, you are completely and totally down on the mere idea, and it shows in everything you write. That's what I'm saying; those on the left, middle, etc., here seem to be able to see good things and to talk about the things that are or might not be positive; you and Raptor, Wulf, etc., can only focus on negatives, in most cases either false information or snarks which have nothing to do with Occupy itself. Not to mention that you and they are QUITE happy to lump all Occupy groups together, as well as having cheerfully lumped people and called them "bums", "druggies", "hippies", "mobs", etc., and make statements like the one I just called (I believe Wulf) on: "riots", "murder", "rape", and I forget what other things he attributed to them.

I have no problem with REAL negatives; they always exist and improvement is alway spossible. I have a problem with being so close-minded and having so much...fear?...about the Occupy movement that people desperately need to call all involved names (most Occupiers HAVE jobs; most Occupiers don't "stink"; many, many Occupiers aren't students and are middle aged or older). Doing so feeds into the hands of Luntz and the others like him who want to crush the movement in favor of pretty little Tea Parties they know they can control. It should be surprising to read people who are so against the actions of the government so quick to take its side, but of course Occupy has been deemed a "Democrat" movement (thanx in part to Luntz and Co, too), so absolutely, positively EVERYTHING about it must be denigrated, as far as you and they are concerned.

ETA: Habitat is doing unquestionably great work, but how much attention do they get? What are they doing to change things? They're touching a miniscule portion of the population affected by the banks' actions, and doing nothing to change the process itself or even bring to the people's attention just how bad things are. There are myriad groups doing great work, but it's infinitesimal compared to how many are being harmed. Occupy wants to confront the broken system itself, and bringing their name and people to be joined by other groups working toward some of the same ends HELPS those other groups get media attention...find one group who doesn't agree. If nothing else, they're doing that, and we've only just begun.


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Thursday, December 8, 2011 11:18 AM

HERO


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Baby steps...


...and diapers.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Thursday, December 8, 2011 11:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's truly pathetic, Hero. You and Kane have been the most useless posters I've seen in the time I've been here. It's a shame.

Further on the subject of foreclosures:
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Occupiers may have been evicted from camps in public parks, but the civil disobedience continues. Protestors have moved toward occupation of government offices and homes of families facing foreclosure.

On Tuesday, Occupy DC protesters filled Sen. Mitch McConnell’s office and hallway, expressing dissatisfaction about Congress’s refusal to adopt legislation to create jobs. There were protesters at the offices of Sen. Joe Lieberman and Rep. Eric Cantor as well..

Across the country, occupiers are locking arms around homes to prevent eviction.

Occupy Wall Street, New Bottom Line, Take Back the Land, and other groups participated in the nationwide “Occupy Our Homes” day of action on Dec. 6. The campaign is designed to defend families threatened by foreclosure and put needy people in empty bank-owned homes.

Last week, Occupy L.A. activists showed up to protest a foreclosure auction outside the Los Angeles County Superior Court in Norwalk. They booed as the auctioneer led the bidding and chanted “Shame on you.”

In October, a total of 77,733 U.S. properties entered the foreclosure process by receiving a notice of default, a 10% increase from the previous month. Lenders repossessed a total of 67,624 homes, a 4% increase from September, according to the L.A. Times.

Celia Chen, a housing analyst for Moody’s Economy.com, predicted a rise in distressed home sales “within the next couple quarters, or next several months.”

Four California cities in the north and Central Valley topped Las Vegas, which had previously led the nation’s foreclosures.

In a joint news conference on Tuesday, California Atty. Gen. Kamala D. Harris and Nevada Atty. Gen. Catherine Cortez Masto said their offices would work together to share litigation strategies and investigate mortgage servicers believed to have committed foreclosure fraud.

The move is in line with a growing number of attorney generals nationwide who are opening independent probes into the mortgage business. Last week, Massachusetts officials announced the state is suing the nation’s five largest mortgage servicers over alleged foreclosure illegalities, the first such suit to be filed by a state.

Harris has opened a number of her own probes and has subpoenaed information from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as part of a wide-ranging inquiry. Bank of America, its mortgage arm Countrywide Financial, and CitiBank are at the top of the list.

The pressure on mortgage lenders is slowly beginning to work. Bank of America has announced a nationwide moratorium on foreclosures, which went into effect on Dec. 3.. The decision comes amid revelations that the banking industry had used “robo-signers,” people who sign hundreds of documents a day without reviewing their contents, when foreclosing on homes. The moratorium includes sales of foreclosed property.

PNC Financial Services Group Inc. is temporarily suspending foreclosures and evictions in 23 states for a month until it can review whether documents submitted to courts complied with state laws.

resident Barack Obama recently refused to sign proposed legislation that would have made it more difficult for homeowners to challenge documents in a foreclosure.

The Senate Banking Committee will hold hearings after next month’s elections to look into allegations that the nation’s largest lenders have improperly foreclosed on struggling borrowers.

On Wednesday, former Pres. Bill Clinton told the cast of “The View” that “until we get rid of this mortgage crisis, folks, we’re not going back to full time employment.” On an optimistic note, he added that America still has advantages over the rest of the world.

“We still have the biggest economy. We still have a younger workforce than Japan and Europe. Everyone who has bet against America has lost money.” http://www.inglewoodtodaynews.com/?p=4134 people keep up the pressure, maybe we can make headway. Certainly our "representatives" won't do things on their own, so it can't hurt to try.



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Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:05 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
If you bothered to read the article, you'll see that Occupy is DEMONSTRATING against foreclosures; may occupy one or more of the vacant homes; and considers (tho' I don't think they will) standing up to the police who are trying to evict people. NONE of that encompasses moving people INTO foreclosed homes, and it seems obvious that if they DO take a stand on the part of people being evicted, certainly the people involved know Occupy isn't going to STOP police, they're just protesting.



I not only read the article, but also checked out Take Back the Land, who are apparently involved in the demonstration. "Max Rameau, an organizer with Take Back the Land, said his organization has been taking these actions for years but it has gotten a boost from Occupy Wall Street. He expects a large turnout tomorrow."
The actions they have been taking in relation to vacant homes is to fix them up and move folks into them.

http://www.takebacktheland.org/

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I've thought for a while that they should be focusing more on DC and things like the legislators, K street, etc., rather than just setting up camps.


I said that two months ago.

Supper time. More later.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, December 8, 2011 12:19 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Well I think its a fine idea Niki and it shows that they're thinking of new and different things to do to get their message across.

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