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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Yes, I reserve the right to ridicule and shame quitters, and oddly enough even more so if I know them and respect them.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Yes, I reserve the right to ridicule and shame quitters, and oddly enough even more so if I know them and respect them.

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Pizmo's shame and ridicule, or death/torture?

Heap it on, Pizmo! ;)

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The bill says that the military must indefinitely detain anyone SUSPECTED of helping bad guys.

One provision says that the mandatory (“must”) indefinite detention doesn’t apply to U.S. citizens … but the government CAN indefinitely detain any U.S. citizen it feels like without trial, without presenting evidence, without letting the citizen consult with a lawyer, and without even charging the citizen.

In other words, it’s like saying “you don’t HAVE to lock up Joey for the rest of his life because he called you a mean name, but you CAN lock him away and throw away the key and then falsely accuse him of being a suspected terrorist if it would make you happy”.

They will say that American citizens are specifically exempted under the following language in Sec. 1032: “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” Don’t be fooled. All this says is that the President is not REQUIRED to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or trial. It still PERMITS him to do so.

The ACLU notes:

Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/explaining-to-a-5-year-old-why-
the-indefinite-detention-bill-does-apply-to-u-s-citizens-on-u-s-soil.html

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
God. Fucking. Dammit.



Been nice knowin' y'all.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'll sleep well tonight.

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Channeling Kalashnikov?

Speaking of famous quotes, isn't that Einstein quote just paraphrasing Edmund Burke's "All that is necessary for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing?"

Evil, in this case, is flourishing, and I believe about to get a lefty signature. I mean left-handed. Also left-wing and sinister.

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PN:

Notice how the Demorats and Republicons work hand in glove for the New World Odor?

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PN, thanks for the video. You'll have more allies for your cause when you start admitting jews ;)

Here's a second spot of the MTV ad against NDAA

I have to say that I have an additional worry that if Obama signs this thing, which I assume he will, the election is over, and it becomes an "anybody but Obama" vote, shifting all the weight to the GOP primary. Here's praying for Ron Paul.

Unless they rig it, of course.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Here's a second spot of the MTV ad against NDAA

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Speaking of famous quotes, isn't that Einstein quote just paraphrasing Edmund Burke's "All that is necessary for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing?"

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
But I agree with Pismo that none of you guys who say you'll leave will actually do it, or at least very few of you.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I am so putting this on facebook when I get home.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Chip by chip, they chisel away at the marble foundations of the Constitution, until nothing remains but a pile of rubble.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This means that the end goal of society is the public school system. We're all locked in the buildings we work in, and authority figures patrol the halls, ask workers to rat on each other, and we have to ask permission to use the bathroom. As I write this I realize that most of it is already reality.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
The question, Frem, is what can we do about it at this stage?

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