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More trickle down tyranny: pepper sprayed to death.

POSTED BY: CANTTAKESKY
UPDATED: Monday, December 26, 2011 13:41
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Friday, December 23, 2011 6:37 AM

CANTTAKESKY


http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/23/lee-county-deputies-tied-suspect-to-
a-ch


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From Fox 13 in Tampa comes the horrifying story of Nick Christie, a 62-year-old Ohio man who was detained by the Lee County Sheriff's Office for being publicly intoxicated. While Christie's wife asked that he be taken to the hospital, Lee County cops decided instead to strip Christie naked, tie him to a chair, cover his face, and then pepper spray him repeatedly, until he died....



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Friday, December 23, 2011 7:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I'm sure it'll be okay, as long as they didn't call it "torture".

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Friday, December 23, 2011 12:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh gawd, CTS, how horrific! I suppose it's typical that we heard nothing from the MSM on this. All I can think of is "that poor woman!" and how I hope she went after them with both barrels (legally that is)!



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Friday, December 23, 2011 6:35 PM

WISHIMAY


I think the worst thing I've ever read, in terms of authority figures and death was an article a couple years ago about a woman who was in prison and they put her in this metal box, and I don't remember if the a/c went out or if it just got super hot that day or what- but they left her in there, begging for water and being mocked for it until she BAKED to death. The medical account of the depth of her burns (and it even boiled the liquid out of her eyes!) and how long she survived before death was... mind-blowing. That's one of those things that just sticks in your head... I think I remember reading that she didn't have any family, and that nobody was criminally proscecuted for it. THAT is quite possibly, in my book- the worst way to go EVER...

That one a few weeks ago about the old deaf epileptic on a bike they tased and then he died was just tragic too...

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Friday, December 23, 2011 7:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I've seen worse, much, much worse.

High Impact, located in Tecate, Mexico was one of the nastier ones, as anyone deemed a "flight risk", as in healthy enough to possibly escape, or anything other than completely subservient, was staked out in four points in the cage.
http://www.wwaspinfo.net/wwaspsinfo.net/highimpact/highimpactkids.html
Ergo they got baked during the day, and chilled to the bone at night.

That footage was taken by an affiliate contacted for a possible retrieval, but the parent in question managed to use other means (threats and blackmail) to spring the kid, who was taken straight to the ER needing trauma level treatment.
Later on there was the incident regarding the girl I took from there, and some shots from a 110mm camera I had at the time which are not part of that video footage and were taken later, which is why there was some confusion.

But this kind of thing was rather commonplace, and even "official" juvie centers run by the state still do use isolation or hotboxing as a common disciplinary practice, along with forced marches and extended, prolonged restraint or stress positions - where you think our merry little torturers down at gitmo learned their trade ?

And when someone dies it's always an "accident" or "pre-existing health condition", like how they tried to put down the death of martin lee anderson, which might have flown had not some clever person stolen the security camera tapes showing the abuse which lead to his death, and even THEN, with a clear act of outright murder caught on tape - all seven guards and the nurse were aquitted by a stacked jury in a "friendly" venue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Anderson_death_controversy

Mind you, this as a result of borrowing his grannys car without permission, theft of candy, and a curfew violation - the charges that land kids in these places are most often petty bullshit, as the incident with those two pennsylvania judges illustrated, and any defense no matter how competent or accurate is often as not just completely ignored as the juvie judge railroads them into the system.

Hundreds of those incidents, people - and that doesn't include the ones which wind up dissappeared into unmarked graves like at the dozier school or even the infamous black sites the hellcamp industry used to operate, which in some cases are the very places we're "renditioning" supposed terrorism suspects now.

This is a CHAIN of events, not singular examples of offense - although occassionally one nets enough media attention to become one, this is day to day business, from public schools to the juvie system to prisons to military detention, one long barbed wire chain we allowed to fester and pollute our entire society.

Which is why I worked the bulk of my life to cut it, you understand.
You don't EVER wanna see the bottom of that rabbit hole, not never, just knowing worse exists is plenty enough to motivate folk, believe it.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, December 23, 2011 8:32 PM

HERO


The worst story I ever heard was about police and they did bad stuff and people got hurt...no, no...they all died and stuff...it was so bad that the fact wasn't true made no difference because cops are all guilty and stuff.

Vote Ron Paul! He hates cops too.

It's ok to make stuff up if your cause is just. That's why its called justice, cause it's just for us.

Why just this week a local Death Squad Nazi Cop pulled a fella from a burning building...then beat him to death, tied him to a chair, pepper sprayed him, deported him to Mexico to water boarded, and then gave the fella a parking ticket. Saved the guys life.

I'm with you guys, no more tyranny! And if you don't like it...too bad!

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Friday, December 23, 2011 8:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA



You know, if you were joking, Zero - that wouldn't be so sick, but since people like you ARE allowed to make shit up, and get away with it, and they call it justice...

Can Prosecutors Be Sued By People They Framed?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120069519
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Do prosecutors have total immunity from lawsuits for anything they do, including framing someone for murder? That is the question the justices of the Supreme Court face Wednesday.

On one side of the case being argued are Iowa prosecutors who contend "there is no freestanding right not to be framed." They are backed by the Obama administration, 28 states and every major prosecutors organization in the country.



When Is It Legal to Frame a Man for Murder?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1934836,00.html
Quote:

"If a prosecutor knowingly introduces false evidence at trial, that prosecutor is absolutely immune from lawsuit," explains Stephen Sanders, an attorney representing Richter and Hrvol. The rationale is that if prosecutors could be blamed for errors in a trial, they would become vulnerable targets for any litigious convict with an ax to grind.


Supreme Court shields prosecutors in wrongful convictions
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/03/nation/la-na-court-innocence-2
0110403

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Advocates for the wrongly convicted denounced the decision. Prosecutors have "enormous power over all of our lives," said Keith Findley, president of the Innocence Network, yet "no other profession is shielded from this complete lack of accountability."

In Thompson's case, at least four prosecutors knew of the blood test, eyewitness reports and other evidence that, once revealed, showed they had charged the wrong man.

"When this kind of conduct happens and it goes unpunished, it sends a devastating message throughout the system," said Sherrilyn Ifill, a University of Maryland law professor. "It means more of these incidents will happen."


When a defendant lies in court, they get charged with perjury, when a prosecutor lies, they get promoted.
When a cop "hears" something that indicts you, it's testimony, evidence - but if they hear something that exonerates you, it's hearsay, and thrown out.

This is our "justice", run by sickos like Zero here.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, December 23, 2011 8:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA



And, in light of that... lemme elaborate a little on that chain-of-events comment.
Quote:

Finch: I had to see it. There wasn't much left. But when I was there it was strange – I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It was like I could see the whole thing; one long chain of events that stretched back to before Larkhill. I felt like I could see everything that had happened, and everything that was going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern laid out in front of me and I realized that we were all part of it, and all trapped by it.

Of course if you wanna see how that works up close and in detail, you should watch The Wire.

Thing is, the root, the cause, of this, all of it - is the misguided notion that the monolithic structures of our society are there to protect us - from each other, from bad actors, from the powerful and sociopathic, from the indignities of life itself...
They're not.

They are there to protect those in control of the establishment, the wealthy, sociopathic, politically connected sumbitches who have run our world into the ground for their benefit at our expense...
From us.

And the sooner we realize that, the sooner we internalize and admit it, the sooner we can do something other than pretending we can "win" at a rigged game, with a stacked deck, playing by someone elses rules.

There's really no need to detail it further, the totality of it, the depth of the illusion - any time you wish to know where the gravest threat to all you hold dear lies, look no further than your so-called protectors, and there you will find it.
Every single time.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, December 23, 2011 11:58 PM

JONGSSTRAW


2012 is gonna be the Year Of The Pepper Spray. Everyone should do their due diligence and research companies involved in manufacturing and distributing pepper spray. Buy their stocks and options. There will be severe shortages in America and throughout the world, as out of control chaos and violence rules the day, with streets running red from the potent partnership of pepper spray and protester plasma. Remember, buy low, sell high. You have a great opportunity to drag yourself up from the dredges of the lowly 99%.









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Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm sure it'll be okay, as long as they didn't call it "torture".



Had anyone on the force been tied naked to a chair, and pepper sprayed in like manner ?

I'm guessing not.

If such treatment of inmates is to be found in any handbook, I'd like to see it.

Anyone die from waterboarding, or come close ( because clearly , this is what you're trying to compare it to ). The answer to that, is no.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 6:46 AM

DREAMTROVE


I think that when you set a policy of waterboarding, pepper burning police detainment is part of the ripple effect that you create.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:14 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Anyone die from waterboarding, or come close ( because clearly , this is what you're trying to compare it to ). The answer to that, is no.

No one that we would admit to killing by waterboarding.

Is it possible to kill someone by waterboarding?

Absolutely.

http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/waterboarding-is-torture-period-links
-updated-9


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2. Waterboarding is not a simulation. Unless you have been strapped down to the board, have endured the agonizing feeling of the water overpowering your gag reflex, and then feel your throat open and allow pint after pint of water to involuntarily fill your lungs, you will not know the meaning of the word.

Waterboarding is a controlled drowning that, in the American model, occurs under the watch of a doctor, a psychologist, an interrogator and a trained strap-in/strap-out team. It does not simulate drowning, as the lungs are actually filling with water. There is no way to simulate that. The victim is drowning. How much the victim is to drown depends on the desired result (in the form of answers to questions shouted into the victim's face) and the obstinacy of the subject. A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience, to horrific suffocating punishment to the final death spiral.

Waterboarding is slow motion suffocation with enough time to contemplate the inevitability of black out and expiration --usually the person goes into hysterics on the board. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch and if it goes wrong, it can lead straight to terminal hypoxia. When done right it is controlled death. Its lack of physical scarring allows the victim to recover and be threaten with its use again and again.

Call it "Chinese Water Torture," "the Barrel," or "the Waterfall," it is all the same. Whether the victim is allowed to comply or not is usually left up to the interrogator. Many waterboard team members, even in training, enjoy the sadistic power of making the victim suffer and often ask questions as an after thought. These people are dangerous and predictable and when left unshackled, unsupervised or undetected they bring us the murderous abuses seen at Abu Ghraieb, Baghram and Guantanamo.




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Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:27 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Anderson_death_controversy

My God. They didn't even charge them with murder.

When I lived in military dictatorships, people may have obeyed out of fear. But they always knew who the bad guys were for the most part. You'll always find a few folks who feel that benefits of the dictatorship were worth the costs of a few "disappearances." But they can't delude themselves that the atrocities don't occur.

One thing that is difficult in America for me is the constant and devoted rationalization of the bad guys being their friend and protector. Like a sick Stockholm syndrome, the kind Wish said she saw in the documentary about North Korea. While I doubt it is true in NK, I KNOW it is true in America.

When I read your rants, I hear only one main message: "Wake the fuck up!"


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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:41 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Anderson_death_controversy


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That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:54 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/23/lee-county-deputies-tied-suspect-to-
a-ch


Quote:

From Fox 13 in Tampa comes the horrifying story of Nick Christie, a 62-year-old Ohio man who was detained by the Lee County Sheriff's Office for being publicly intoxicated. While Christie's wife asked that he be taken to the hospital, Lee County cops decided instead to strip Christie naked, tie him to a chair, cover his face, and then pepper spray him repeatedly, until he died....





Sickening, it seems like pretty obvious torture.

INteresting, that story is 2 1/2 years old:

"It's been more than two and a half years and his wife still can't accept what happened."

They must be running it now because the phrase "pepper spray " is in it. Seems like more attempted Manipulation with Fear and also trying to ring up the adwords cash register - clever if kinda shady.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:31 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
They must be running it now because the phrase "pepper spray " is in it. Seems like more attempted Manipulation with Fear and also trying to ring up the adwords cash register - clever if kinda shady.

Could be.

But also could be that details of the case are only starting to gain media attention with the wrongful death lawsuit underway and upcoming trial next year.

ETA: DT, that link pulls up for me just fine. Weird.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:45 AM

DREAMTROVE


Ha, now it does. I don't know what happened. Maybe someone made an edit that made it crash or something, threw some code in there.

I thought the pepper story was an update, like they had just ruled it a homicide, or something, but I didn't look it up.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:08 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I thought the pepper story was an update, like they had just ruled it a homicide, or something, but I didn't look it up.

ME had said it was a homicide. But no charges were ever filed. No one did any time.

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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Monday, December 26, 2011 1:41 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Those are sad stories.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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