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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Russia has also promised to go to war with us if we attack Iran.

The US has permanently spent its credibility with the world by attacking Iraq. Now they will always consider that if we have a conflict with an enemy that we are the evil aggressor. They will be right, of course.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yes. History has taught us that we should allow evil dictators and regimes to attack FIRST, and then respond.

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Yes. History has taught us that we should allow evil dictators and regimes to attack FIRST, and then respond.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Russia has also promised to go to war with us if we attack Iran.

The US has permanently spent its credibility with the world by attacking Iraq. Now they will always consider that if we have a conflict with an enemy that we are the evil aggressor. They will be right, of course.

Yes. History has taught us that we should allow evil dictators and regimes to attack FIRST, and then respond.

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Actually what DT said is that regardless of who attack us or why, we are the evil aggressor.

So, according to DT, if Adolph Hitler's even more evil clone attacks us from the secret Nazi moonbase a thousand years from now with the goal of eating children and forcing everyone to worship Satan its because we are the evil aggressor (assuming we fight back, because if DT has his way we will immediately surrender).

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"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yes. History has taught us that we should allow evil dictators and regimes to attack FIRST, and then respond.

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I am pleased to see you are an astute student of history.

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I agree. I actually agree with Auraptor's analysis of the statement as well. Yes, if you do not attack first, your position is defensible. If you do not respond, your position gets better. Israel has made three attempts to attack Iran and they have not responded. Good for them.

War should not be gone into lightly, and not preemptively. Another term for preemptive defense would be "starting a war."


ETA: Sig, I think that the Syrian rebels *are* CIA/JSOC and friends. I think Assad is right, socialist though he may be We actually have no business in Syria. We shouldn't be encouraging people to suicide against their govt. either. This war will probably happen, unlike Iran, because it's at least possible. The only thing delaying it is the US driving a wedge between Syria and Russia.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

For the same reason Lyndon B deliberately prolonged vietnam, to cull the "undesireables" they send to war, the less useful peons.

-F

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I don't know where the moral is
Or where this song should end
But I wonder just how many wars
Are fought between good friends
And those who give the orders
Are not the ones to die
It's Scott and young MacDonald
And the likes of you and I
-There were Roses.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
They don't need a giant owl to sacrifice children, they have the military.

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"The nation’s largest abortion provider topped $1 billion in total net assets in 2009-2010, its first time reaching that mark, according to Planned Parenthood’s latest annual report. Almost half of the group’s annual revenue — 46 percent — comes from taxpayers in the form of grants, contracts and Medicaid payments, according to an analysis by the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List."
-The Hill, Planned Parenthood tops $1 billion in assets, 12/30/11
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/abortion/201833-planned-parenthoo
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"In a lengthy interview with Bill Moyers released today, Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates reveals the inspiration for his funding of pro-abortion population control measures. Responding to a question by Moyers on how he came to fund “reproductive issues” Gates answered, “When I was growing up, my parents were always involved in various volunteer things. My dad was head of Planned Parenthood."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2003/may/03050902

Bill Gates' father's jewish law firm ran Planned Parenthood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Gates,_Sr

"Microsoft founder turned philanthropist Bill Gates released a glass full of mosquitoes at an elite technology conference to make a point about the deadly disease malaria. "Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at the Technology, Entertainment, Design Conference — a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars. "I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected." The unusual presentation on malaria prevention was confirmed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's media office.
In September, Gates announced that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would provide $168.7 million to the PATH Malaria Vaccine Initiative to help develop a vaccine for the deadly disease [and avoid paying taxes on $168.7 million by giving it to themselves]." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488348,00.html

"The UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs announced plans to combat Dengue fever and other mosquito-borne illnesses with genetically modified mosquitoes designed to make them sterile or simply kill them off, as reported on the U.N news service IRIN. These mosquitoes are engineered with an extra gene or inserted bacterium. "People generally do not like the unknown and are alarmist. Because there has never been a [field] release of GM [genetically modified] mosquitoes, critics are free to imagine what can possibly go wrong," said UK-based entomologist and professor at Imperial College London, John Mumford. The Malaysia-headquartered NGO Pesticide Action Network-Asia and the Pacific opposed a since-granted request to release modified mosquitoes on the grounds that "it may have environmental or health consequences as well as carry risks arising from horizontal gene transfer", wrote executive director, Sarojeni V. Rengam, who stressed the "possibility of new health risks to humans and animals....the insect may become more virulent, aggressive, or its bite might have different effects on the host." The most shocking section of this release is that for the last 50 years scientists have released billions of engineered insects into the ecosystem. In fact, many have reported that recent dengue outbreaks can be directly traced to U.S. Army experiments coordinated by the CIA. In most cases of government funding for scientific research, there is usually a military origin. The technology is even being used as another manufactured terrorist threat. The U.N. proudly reports: 'Australian researchers from the University of Queensland, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, have received regulatory approval to begin in December to release mosquitoes infected with a bacterium.'"
-Activist Post ,Bill Gates Funds Approval of GM Mosquitoes, November 4, 2010
http://www.activistpost.com/2010/11/bill-gates-funds-approval-of-gm.ht
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

For the same reason Lyndon B deliberately prolonged vietnam, to cull the "undesireables" they send to war, the less useful peons.

-F

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For the same reason Lyndon B deliberately prolonged vietnam, to cull the "undesireables" they send to war, the less useful peons.

-F

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We should adopt the Starship Troopers policy for illegals , and draft them in the military.

" Service guarantees citizenship! "

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This is the photojournalist that Sherman Skolnick talked about. The "green card US Army hopefuls" referred to in the story buried in the mass graves came from illegal immigrants apprehended at the US/Mexico border and taken to Court in that area. They were released by the Judges and told to "Go Home". As the illegal Mexican/South American immigrants walked out of the courthouse, they were met by US Army recruiters promising US citizenship, money to send back home and health care, etc.

The problem arose when they were killed in Iraq, where do you send the body of someone who doesn't live in the USA, whose relatives and family are in Mexico or South America.
Do these people even exist on the books as US Army soldiers? By not being citizens living in the USA, the Army saved a lot of money in death benefits, family benefits, etc. because the illegal immigrants family could not petition the US Army in Court for reparations.

So these poor souls were killed in Iraq and buried in mass graves, supposedly by the hundreds, to give you an idea of how much care the US Army gave for them to return to America and claim their promised citizenship.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mass_graves_in_Iraq
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=97074

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Another term for preemptive defense would be "starting a war."

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BOSTON MASSACRE

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NY Draft Riots

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