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Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180
403506.html



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Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:06 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180
403506.html





You forgot nutz, we're also nutz......and eat boogers.

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:14 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


It's a good thing Libtard Commies are so genius:






















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Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:23 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Um, PN... this is not exactly the thread where I would be throwing stones, if I were you. Obama definitely isn't a "libtard commie" if ya know what I mean. But at least he isn't a JEW! Right?? RIGHT???

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:47 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!



In his high school yearbook coke dealer Hussein Obama Soetoro was listed in the official Dope Smokers Club
now in charge of life sentences for pot smokers and SWAT raids on medical marijuana clinics,
raising heroin production 10,000% in Afghanistan and giving 20,000 guns to the Mexican Mafiya
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/01/obama-banned-from-georgia-ba
llot-after.html

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:07 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Um, PN... this is not exactly the thread where I would be throwing stones, if I were you. Obama definitely isn't a "libtard commie" if ya know what I mean. But at least he isn't a JEW! Right?? RIGHT???



Alot of the 99% crowd doesn't like Jews, but that's OK with you? Check Youtube if ya think I'm kidding, I'd do it but I'm going to make you work for it.

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:27 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:33 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Um, PN... this is not exactly the thread where I would be throwing stones, if I were you. Obama definitely isn't a "libtard commie" if ya know what I mean. But at least he isn't a JEW! Right?? RIGHT???



Alot of the 99% crowd doesn't like Jews, but that's OK with you? Check Youtube if ya think I'm kidding, I'd do it but I'm going to make you work for it.



What's not to like?



Quote:

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
-British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (aka Benjamin Israel), "the founder of modern Conservatism", member House of Lords and House of Commons, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield and member of the Conservative Party, who was "damped" (baptized) Jew, from his "novel", CONINGSBY

"Disraeli descended from Italian Sephardic Jews from both his maternal and paternal sides. His father was the literary critic and historian Isaac D'Israeli who, though Jewish, in 1817 had Benjamin baptised in the Church of England, following a dispute with their synagogue. The elder D'Israeli (Benjamin changed the spelling in the 1820s by dropping the foreign-looking apostrophe) himself was content to remain outside organized religion."
-Wikipedia, British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli

"The Norman Jews were primarily moneylenders, because they could not own land nor participate in trades (except for medicine). Catholic doctrine held that moneylending for interest was a sin; therefore, Jews dominated this business. Toward the middle of the seventeenth century a considerable number of Marano merchants settled in London and formed there a secret congregation, at the head of which was Antonio Fernandez Carvajal. They conducted a large business with the Levant, East and West Indies, Canary Islands, and Brazil, and above all with the Netherlands, Spain, and Portugal. In the 1650s, Menasseh Ben Israel, a rabbi and leader of the Dutch Jewish community, approached Oliver Cromwell with the proposition that Jews should at long last be readmitted to England. The first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons, was elected in 1855. By 1882, 46,000 Jews lived in England and, by 1890, Jewish emancipation was complete in every walk of life. Since 1858, Parliament has never been without Jewish members."
-Wikipedia, History of the Jews in England (links to history of the Jewish Lords Rothschild-Bauer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England

Terrorism.
The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized;
a mode of government by terror or intimidation.
-Webster Dictionary, 1913 (referring to the US/British Communist Revolution in Russia)

"It is necessary secretly - and urgently - to prepare the Terror. What we need is more Red terror. More and more and more. Put more force into the terror!"
—Vladimir Lenin, Jewish Bolshevik Communist dictator of Soviet Russia, letters to the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars (Richard Grenier, The Washington Times, "Vladimir Lenin as Genghis Khan," October 8, 1996; Dr. Texe Marrs, The Power of Prophesy, "Gulag USA: Concentration Camps in America," December 2002; Dr. Texe Marrs PhD, Captain USAF Intelligence, Power of Prophesy, "Legacy of the Illuminati: Revolution of Blood," January 2001)
www.texemarrs.com

"RED TERROR"
-official newspaper of the Communist Party in Russia that genocided 60-million Russian citizens (Communism was invented in London, England, where Luciferian Masonic Jew Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto for global (White European Khazarian AshkeNAZI Maranos fake) "Jewish" takeover of the world)

"Government control of Communications and Transportation."
—Communist Manifesto, 6th Plank, written by Jew Karl Marx in London, England (the table Marx wrote the Commie Manifesto is enshrined in the London Museum)

"You may say that the GOYIM will rise upon us, arms in hand, if they guess what is going on before the time comes; but in the West we have against this a maneuver of such appalling terror that the very stoutest hearts quail - the undergrounds, metropolitans, those subterranean corridors which, before the time comes, will be driven under all the capitals and from whence those capitals will be blown into the air with all their organizations and archives."
-Protocols of the Lerned Elders of Zion, 33rd Degree, Protocol 9, Paragraph 13 (published in 1905 in London and Russia and sold in Walmart, preparing for the US/British Communist Revolution that genocided 60-million Russians)
www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

Semite.
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and ARABS - b : a descendant of these peoples - 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
—Merriam Webster Dictionary

"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (Arab-American from Lebannon), Independent presidential candiate in 2008, Reform Party presidential nominee in 2004, Green Party presidential nominee in 2000, Arab-American Business conference, C-SPAN, 2003



"I'm surprised that there is something that PN and I can finally agree on."
-Eggordon
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=36&t=48317

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

Alot of the 99% crowd doesn't like Jews, but that's OK with you? Check Youtube if ya think I'm kidding, I'd do it but I'm going to make you work for it.



Ssshhhh! Don't call them 'Jews'. They're EVIL bankers ! Geeze... didn't you get the memo ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:40 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

Alot of the 99% crowd doesn't like Jews, but that's OK with you? Check Youtube if ya think I'm kidding, I'd do it but I'm going to make you work for it.



Ssshhhh! Don't call them 'Jews'. They're EVIL bankers ! Geeze... didn't you get the memo ?



SHHHHHHH! Dont call em jews, that's prosecuted as hatecrime. Theyre evil REPTILIAN SHAPESHIFTERS!


Sir Alan Greenspan Kosher Knight of the British Empire now employed by the Nazi German Queen of England
his hideous Reptilian wife is employed by Kosher CNN

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:42 AM

BYTEMITE


I think I'll respond to this the same way I responded to the email my family was sending around.

Quote:

Well, you have to be careful about studies like these, they're rarely without bias of their own.

I actually don't look at political ideology in terms of left or right, but more of a grid pattern. The dynamic between left and right wing has changed over the last couple centuries, but in general, left wing is representative government, and right wing is the existing power in competition with representative government. Originally right wing was the interests of the monarchy and church, and left wing wanted more of a republic. Nowadays, right wing is the corporations and the church, and left wing is civil rights and welfare through the government. Neither one is necessarily all good or all bad.

It is possible to divide left and right from the concept of authoritarian versus anti-authoritarian. The article here is specifically talking about authoritarian right wing ideology. However, the question it's asking, about whether low intelligence leads to prejudice or vice versa, is probably the wrong question to ask. Prejudice seems to exist somewhat independently of intelligence, or lack thereof, it seems to be pre-existing before a right-wing authoritarian movement can attempt to benefit from it. However, I'll agree that the two are a very serious problem when both are in evidence.


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Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:21 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:

Alot of the 99% crowd doesn't like Jews, but that's OK with you? Check Youtube if ya think I'm kidding, I'd do it but I'm going to make you work for it.



Ssshhhh! Don't call them 'Jews'. They're EVIL bankers ! Geeze... didn't you get the memo ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Nope, must have missed it while I was doing the whole dumb prejudice thing. I'll check my inbox more often. Excuse me but now I'm going to fry up a kitten, I'm hungry.

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



" It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't true "


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA



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Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:32 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




USSA only has 1 bifurcated political party. Demorats are the communist Party of Amerika as the Left head of the Beast 666, the Republicons are the Nazi National Socialist Workers Party of Amerika.

The Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party are the only centrist parties that promote FREEDOM in America. Dr Ron Paul was the presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party in 1988.


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Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:23 PM

WHOZIT


SignyM sez what?....and boys don't like you....cause you're icky.

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Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow! You guys! You exceeded my expectations!

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 1:07 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gawd what a pathetic "conversation".









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Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Wow! You guys! You exceeded my expectations!



Jeebus! It's like you uncorked their shit-bottles Signy! My gawd what a spew they posted.

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Niki, the cartoonist forgot one sign:


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Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:16 PM

BYTEMITE


I've debated at times whether the acronym should be GIFT or GIT.

On one hand, GIT kinda gets the idea across through the acronym. On the other hand, GIFT means "poison" in german.

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:59 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


What's fun is to read some of the 33,000+ comments on this article.

BTW, should clarify that the 'conservatives' the article refers to are social, not fiscal, conservatives.

Also plenty of caveats in the article, such as:

"Hodson and Busseri's explanation of their findings is reasonable, Nosek said, but it is correlational. That means the researchers didn't conclusively prove that the low intelligence caused the later prejudice. To do that, you'd have to somehow randomly assign otherwise identical people to be smart or dumb, liberal or conservative. Those sorts of studies obviously aren't possible."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Oh BTW Geezer, since you've decided to throw out reason and throw in with the shit-spewing bunch, meet your new best and only friends. I hope you like the smell.

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:10 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Yeah, blacks, hispanics and women would never vote for a politician who ended the IRS income tax, brought all our soldiers home ALIVE, and stopped paying taxdollars to genocide 50% of black babies.
























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Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What I find rather amusing are people who defend stupid, racist conservatives. 'Cause, hey, I didn't name names or point fingers, but peeps seem to pin the characterization on themselves.

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:11 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


There are some basic energies behind both philosophies. Basic here meaning simplistic and easy for dumb people to understand.

Conservative: This is right and that is wrong, if you do that then you're wrong, black and white, easy peasy.

Liberal: If it feels good and no one dies or ends up clearly traumatized from it then go for it, easy peasy.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Liberal: If it feels good and no one dies or ends up clearly traumatized from it then go for it, easy peasy."

Those aren't liberals, they're cartoons of hippies from 35+ years ago.


Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual. The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion for all belief systems, and the separation of church and state, right to due process and equality under the law are widely accepted as a common foundation across the spectrum of liberal thought. The main focus of modern liberalism in the United States includes issues such as voting rights for all adult citizens, equal rights, protection of the environment, and the provision by the government of social services, such as: equal education opportunities, access to health care, transportation infrastructure, basic food for the hungry and basic shelter for the homeless.

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:36 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Riona- you have a very strange idea of "liberals".

As it turns out, about 50% of the people in the USA don't have a strong moral or political compass, nor do they think that people need to agree on any moral code. Those people aren't "liberals" they're just morally lazy.

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Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:09 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Keep in mind that I live in Portland.

I'm not thinking of hippies.

I was just demonstrating that both can be boiled down into basic, and not entirely correct, concepts that dumb people can universally understand.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 30, 2012 12:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



This " study " is about as valid and telling as the view that thinking logically is some how tied to racism.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, January 30, 2012 3:43 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

This " study " is about as valid and telling as the view that thinking logically is some how tied to racism.



What's funny is how much it resembles the old bogus studies racists used to put out to 'prove' that Whites were superior to the 'Negroid' or 'Asiatic' races. And how the Liberals defend it just as the racists did then.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, January 30, 2012 4:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Like the bogus book YOU cited "Who Really Cares"? The one where the author had to define a 'liberal' population no one else could measure? Where he had to define 'charitable' giving to exclude the things liberals donate to? You mean like that?

As for this: "What's funny is how much it resembles the old bogus studies racists used to put out to 'prove' that Whites were superior to the 'Negroid' or 'Asiatic' races. And how the Liberals defend it just as the racists did then."

Name one. And show it was supported by 'liberals'. I'll wait.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 4:50 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
As for this: "What's funny is how much it resembles the old bogus studies racists used to put out to 'prove' that Whites were superior to the 'Negroid' or 'Asiatic' races. And how the Liberals defend it just as the racists did then."

Name one. And show it was supported by 'liberals'. I'll wait.



Well, there's SignyM, who posted it and apparently believes it. Then there's you. You both pretty much seem to be on the "Liberal" side here in RWED.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, January 30, 2012 4:54 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Riona

"Conservative: This is right and that is wrong, if you do that then you're wrong, black and white, easy peasy."

The problem with your argument is that this ACTUALLY EXISTS. It's not someone's made up easy-to-grasp cartoon figure. Not only does it exist, this demographic can be reliably found in study after study as being a vast majority of conservatives. Don't believe me? Read here: "The Authoritarians" http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/


OTOH your really weird notion of liberals doesn't exist as a significant demographic. I suspect it's something someone told you, which you accepted b/c it supports your religious beliefs. You know, those godless liberals are morally bankrupt inferiors to you.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 4:55 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And this study shows 'whites' are superior to 'negroids'? You drinking really early today?

You know, the problems you have are severalfold:

1) You BELIEVE studies. Just like you BELIEVE capitalism, and authors (as long as you agree with them). Like you BELIEVE the book Who Really Cares - uncritically, wholly, and with conviction.

2) You BELIEVE authorities. Despite being in the machinery and seeing how ideas, people, economies have to be jimmied, broken, distorted to make things work out (where, if they were REALLY true the trueness would be self-evident and win out over time on its own merits), you BELIEVE them.

3) You, and little Rappy et al, think we BELIEVE like you do. You think we BELIEVE in global warming BECAUSE we're liberals. That we BELIEVE concentration of wealth at the top causes massive poverty at the bottom BECAUSE we're liberals. Like CTSky who claimed "we all have beliefs" b/c she can't imagine her own self without them, you too think we BELIEVE, like you do.

Except we don't. At least, I don't.

This study, like any study, has its caveats. This is an open inquiry, subject, one hopes, to further investigation. But UNTIL contrary, reliable, supportable, repeatable DATA shows otherwise - until YOU come up with a DATA-BASED RATIONAL argument as to exactly where, and how it's flawed, it stands.

And simply pointing a finger and going nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah you LIBerals! isn't a discussion about the study.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:06 AM

BYTEMITE


>_>

My understanding is about 20% of the population is conservative, 20% of the population is liberal, 10% is undecided, and 40% is independent.

Your 40-50% who have no political compass, are you saying they have no moral compass either? Are you equating political activity with morality?

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:23 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Name one. And show it was supported by 'liberals'. I'll wait.


Uh... Geezer wasn't saying that liberals produced racist studies. He was merely comparing intelligence by ideology with intelligence by race, which is potentially a very good point.

However, I might very well make that claim. Liberals have, did, and DO produce racist studies.

Anytime before the 1930s you would have seen mainstream racism from both the left-wing and right-wing. So before then, you very well would have seen scientific studies about racial intelligence from both the left and right wing, and somewhat questionable policies based on that.

And if you want a later example, someone who's still around...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Jensen

*Shrug* I'll agree you see more of it on the right, but no side is completely innocent.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:29 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Is Jensen a liberal? Keep in mind that 'academician' doesn't equate with 'liberal'.

BTW, National Geographic had an interesting article (not really a study of course) that, looking at various twin studies, gave some indication of how 'heritable' some things are. Autism was up around 80%. I don't remember where intelligence was, blood pressure was at the 50% rank.

But the heritability of intelligence isn't in dispute - it is heritable to some extent. And the reproducible finding that economically disadvantaged people of color tends to score lower on IQ tests is also not in dispute. What is in dispute is the explanation - everything from cultural test bias (which does exist in the tests), to lead poisoning which is FAR more frequent in poor city dwellers, to epigenetics has been proposed.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:33 AM

BYTEMITE


BTW, race is a poor indication of haplogroups, which itself is a better predictor of intelligence, but I think still flawed.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:35 AM

BYTEMITE


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Is Jensen a liberal? Keep in mind that 'academician' doesn't equate with 'liberal'.


Berkeley, 1960s, spent time working as a social worker with the San Diego Department of Public Welfare?

I'd say it's a safe bet.

But in fairness, he seems to have a dislike of "Marxism" that would appear to be very red scare conservative in nature. But then, show me someone who is all liberal and all conservative in all their ideas and I'll show you a charicature.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:37 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He wouldn't be the first to become disillusioned and reject his previous beliefs.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 5:43 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm pretty sure he hasn't renounced them. Rather, his studies into racial intelligence seem to be the spur for his involvement in welfare programs for disadvantaged minorities.

Right action wrong minded, maybe.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 6:54 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He and Stephen Jay Gould had an infamous debate, but I don't have time to read his half right now - I'm on my way to an appointment.

I've read in the past Gould's 'The Mismeasure of Man' http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20mismeasure%20of%20man%20p
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which disputed various measures that have been done to 'prove' one kind of person was superior to another - from phrenology to IQ tests. He quite legitimately pointed out that these tests were/ are based on assumptions and carry their own built-in biases. And BTW the cultural biases in the IQ tests have NEVER been addressed.They still exist today embedded in the questions.

Jensen disputed that. Though I can't summarized his position (not having read it) the summaries I have read indicate that he believed quite strongly his tests, and results, were apolitical facts.

Tha doesn't sound like a liberal to me, or even a scientist.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 7:09 AM

SIGNYM

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Well, there's SignyM, who posted it and apparently believes it.
I posted it. And I don't "believe" anything... a mistake some people keep on making.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 7:20 AM

BYTEMITE


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from phrenology to IQ tests. He quite legitimately pointed out that these tests were/ are based on assumptions and carry their own built-in biases. And BTW the cultural biases in the IQ tests have NEVER been addressed.They still exist today embedded in the questions.


That is approximately my view of it.

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Jensen disputed that. Though I can't summarized his position (not having read it) the summaries I have read indicate that he believed quite strongly his tests, and results, were apolitical facts.

Tha doesn't sound like a liberal to me, or even a scientist.



Liberalism is defined by social actions and political alignments, science is separate from it.

And he wouldn't be the first person to ever think he was right when all data contradicts him. Were we to thin the ranks of science based on that, there would be very few of us. Even I have some paranoid tendencies not befitting a scientist.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 7:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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My understanding is about 20% of the population is conservative, 20% of the population is liberal, 10% is undecided, and 40% is independent. Your 40-50% who have no political compass, are you saying they have no moral compass either? Are you equating political activity with morality?
It's a study which I will have a hard time finding again, but I will try. What it did was probe the depth and consistency of a peoples' moral codes... what one thinks is wrong or right, and how thoroughly that logic has penetrated one's thinking. (It was part of a class on personality and moral choices that I took as part of management training.) So, about 50% of the people in the USA don't have a well-developed moral code. nor do they think that we- as a people- need one. "Whatever floats your boat" and "Don't bother me and I won't bother you" are typical. I think this MIGHT be correspondent with "independents", because studies have shown that "independents" are not so much "independent" as inconsistent. They respond to context, so if Jesus is presented as a revered, self-sacrificing moral teacher they will respond positively; but if he is presented as a homeless, unemployed hippie preaching love and peace they will respond negatively. (As an aside, I have read political apparatchiks from both parties say that getting the independent vote is like getting the attention of a 7-year-old with ADHD.)

Now, of the people who have strong moral codes, many rely on codes handed to them by traditional authorities... their parents, the church, politicians, their bosses, mentors or other figures of authority. There is right and wrong, and maybe some shades of gray, but their moral codes are fixed and mostly unexamined... this is always right, that is always wrong. For example, the death penalty is right but abortion is wrong. This could include the left-wing as well as the right-wing, although in this country it represents the right-wing more, simply because the right-wing represents "the authority" here.

The other group with strong moral values uses its moral code as a compass to keep heading in what they think is the best direction in a changing environment: what action is the better choice, given this situation? It requires a flexible approach to morality, judgment on which code takes precedence in a particular situation. This could include philosophers and theologians, but also atheists and agnostics.

So I guess the answer is: Yes, I think people who are apolitical also tend to be amoral.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 7:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Eh, there are too many definitions of "liberal" to make sense. Both the right AND the left have used it as a pejorative, so that the word no longer has any current meaning. The actual definition is

1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 7:57 AM

BYTEMITE


This actually explains a lot about our relationship.

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Monday, January 30, 2012 8:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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This actually explains a lot about our relationship.
You talking to me? If so: It does? I'm curious as to how.


BTW- I'm going to have to caveat my statement about "independents". There are a lot of people who self-identify as politically "Independent" simply because they're too uninterested in figuring out where they stand. That represents a large majority of independents (I've been told). However, there really are independent Independents, who have thought through their choices and really have decided that NO political party matches their ideals.

I read another curious factoid - just one of those little studies that sticks to my mind like lint to a gumball- that says that people stay married the longest who match each other politically. This was part of a study of Facebook interactions, where people tend to reveal their political leanings LAST, even after their weight. So at some point... the author is not sure where... potential mates suss out each others' politics. Wherever and whenever it happens, it's very subtle- and certainly not on Facebook!

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Monday, January 30, 2012 8:17 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, it explains PART of it. I'm unlikeable and tedious without help from my political orientation.

Anyway.

EDIT: Yeah, I was talking to you. You kinda don't like me, and I now grok one of the reasons why.

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