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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's an odd world. An Iraq veteran, and he doesn't get hit by terrorists until he's on American soil.

Shame, sounds like he has some brain damage.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's an odd world. An Iraq veteran, and he doesn't get hit by terrorists until he's on American soil.

Shame, sounds like he has some brain damage.

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So, you're calling the cops terrorists, for doing their job ?

Meh, that figures.

That he shouldn't have been there in the 1st place is besides the point, but fact is, it was an accident. Tragic, yes, but still done w/ out intent. Not so for those who actually ARE terrorists.

Unfortunately, more than a few Vets have come home, only to be killed by petty thugs, low lifes and criminals.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's an odd world. An Iraq veteran, and he doesn't get hit by terrorists until he's on American soil.

Shame, sounds like he has some brain damage.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So, you're calling the cops petty thugs, low lifes and criminals, then?

Meh, that figures. After all, most cops ARE in a union. No wonder you hate them!

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'll call anyone in America a terrorist if they don't uphold the constitution. So yes.

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Will you call anyone who runs a red light a rapist ?

What about anyone who jay walks ? Are they a serial killer ?

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's an odd world. An Iraq veteran, and he doesn't get hit by terrorists until he's on American soil.

Shame, sounds like he has some brain damage.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Why weren't you at the OWS Atlanta crackdown? You tea partiers want to fight against what you see as a corrupt police state and government overreach. Some of you have carried guns to town meetings in a perfectly acceptable way to demonstrate that you're willing to FIGHT for your freedoms, against any tyranny that would attempt to take them away. Your countrymen are being beaten in the street and their rights are being taken from them, and whether or not you agree with them politically they're still your COUNTRYMEN. If you won't act then, when WILL you act?

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We wont act because the Occupy movement is as wrong on behaivor as they are on policy.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I mean, even if you don't LIKE OWS, to not USE them to further your own agenda is short-sighted.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Don't worry, the Occupy movement is doing more to get the Republicans in office this year then even the TEA Party did in 2010

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Why weren't you at the OWS Atlanta crackdown? You tea partiers want to fight against what you see as a corrupt police state and government overreach. Some of you have carried guns to town meetings in a perfectly acceptable way to demonstrate that you're willing to FIGHT for your freedoms, against any tyranny that would attempt to take them away. Your countrymen are being beaten in the street and their rights are being taken from them, and whether or not you agree with them politically they're still your COUNTRYMEN. If you won't act then, when WILL you act?

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We wont act because the Occupy movement is as wrong on behaivor as they are on policy.

The goals of the Occupy movement are to destroy the economic system of this country. So already we are on opposite sides. However, this is America and everybody gets a voice...but you can't riot, block streets, occupy Private and Public Property, disrupt businesses, commerce, or transportation, or create a lawless climate.

You want to speak, speak. You want to march, march. You want to camp, camp. But you do it within the bounds of the Constitution and with respect for everyone else's right to peaceful enjoyment of their freedoms, especially those who do not share your call to action. That is where you went wrong and that is what has doomed your movement to failure (noting for the record that even if you succeed you fail).

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Instead of evicting the occupy movement as a whole, wrongdoing and arrest in this case maybe could be based on existing definitions of crime...And we could also for now toss out trespassing or camping violations as arrestable offenses

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The Occupy movement has your political support so they should not be held to the same standards as say...

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a homeless man moving into your daughter's bedroom.

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Wait... that's not odd at all. It's exactly what I expect from the fascists who support Republicans

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By actual definition the Occupy movement is a facist movement. Its a populist movement that seeks to eliminate social and individual class distinctions. It seeks to have strict govt regulation of the economy for the benefit of the masses.

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But, I fail to see what the harm is if one were to move in with me, and you know what, I'm female. Just by moving in, they have not yet done anything to hurt me.

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Again, please post your home address so we can get started.

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You're confusing fascist for socialist and/or communist. While the Nazi party had elements of both, they are actually two different things.

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They diverge on the role of the state and the role of the collective.

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Pretty much since the start of the real violence.

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I just told you, I don't HAVE a home. 9_9

But when I do, I'll oblige you. Because 1) I plan to help out the community by offering shelter to people who need it, 2) I don't have anything worth stealing, and 3) I really don't give a damn what happens to me, and I'd welcome being strangled in my sleep anyway. So whatever.

Again, I'm not liberal. I'm an anarchist.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
That's not really the best measure. Socialists can be violent too. What else makes you think they're fascist?

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Strict regulation, make the rich, the banks, anyone with private property subject to the masses,

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hate for the jews, uniformity of thought,

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Let others decide your fate, you'll eat when fed, do what you are told, and even die should your master

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Saying you're going to spread the wealth with a centrally planned economy that uses labor camps but the ruling party gets a lot more than the workers is Communist. Keeping the wealth from a centrally planned economy that uses labor camps composed of dissidents in the ruling party and using a meritocracy to determine how much of the wealth someone gets is Fascist.

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I think you don't fully understand my plans. I plan to grow food to eat on the property. I will then eat the food when I want to, because I'll grow enough that it doesn't matter if some amount of it is eaten by other people as well. I also hardly think that a criminal who comes to murder me is my "master," they're just a criminal. Should they try to push dominance on me, I'll die before I let them. And dying doesn't matter to me.

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Exactly...you'll obey and serve your master or you will die...and either way its mostly someone else's decision. In fact, the only choice your willing to make with regards to how you live your life is to die...and I suspect that's a harder choice then you think. They wont have to dominate you...you've already chosen to put the collar on yourself. They might kill you, but your ok with that, after all...they own you.

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The two are very similar...

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why do you think the Nazi's were the National Socialist Party?

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During the 1920s and 1930s, Nazism was ideologically heterogeneous, comprising two sub-ideologies, those of Otto Strasser and of Hitler. As leftists, the Strasserites fell afoul of Hitler, who expelled Otto Strasser from the Nazi Party when he failed to establish the Black Front, an oppositional, anti-capitalist bloc, in 1930. Though Hitler for "tactical" reasons had rhetorically declared a 1920 party platform with socialist platitudes "unshakable," actually "many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans...Point 11, for example...Point 12...nationalization...Point 16...communalization.... put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism."[89] In actual practice, such points were mere slogans, "most of them forgotten by the time the party came to power.... the Nazi leader himself was later to be embarrassed when reminded of some of them."[89] Historian Conan Fischer argues that the Nazis were sincere in their use of the adjective socialist, which the saw as inseparable from the adjective national, and meant it as a socialism of the master race, rather than the socialism of the "underprivileged and oppressed seeking justice and equal rights."[90]

The conflicting philosophies of leading Nazis of the early years were visible at times: in 1930 "Strasser, Feder and Frick introduced a bill in the Reichstag on behalf of the Nazi Party calling for (interest rate limits, expropriation of large bank-holdings)... and the nationalization of the big banks.... Hitler was horrified; this was not only Bolshevism, it was financial suicide for the party."[91] Many Strasserites who remained in the Nazi Party, mostly in the Sturmabteilung (SA), were assassinated in the Night of the Long Knives purge.

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Italian Fascism promotes a corporatist economic system whereby employer and employee syndicates are linked together in a corporative associations to collectively represent the nation's economic producers and work alongside the state to set national economic policy.[9] Italian Fascists claim that this economic system resolves and ends class conflict by creating class collaboration.[10] It supports criminalization of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers as illegal acts it deems these acts as prejudicial to the national community as a whole.

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The Spanish Phalanx of the Assemblies of the National Syndicalist Offensive

National Syndicalism (nacionalsindicalismo) was to be the official ideology of the State.

Features:

Corporate state in which class struggle would be superseded by the Vertical Trade Union, forcing workers and owners into one organization. (see class collaboration)

Roman Catholicism

Attention to the Castilian farmers

Nationalist pride in the history of the Spanish Empire

Anti-separatism

Anti-communism, anti-anarchism and anti-capitalism

Anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentarian ideology

Paramilitarian

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Clearly socialism came first. I suspect facism was meant to be a fusion of socialism, nationalism, existing political structures, and economic reality.

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Italian Fascism was declared by its leadership figures to be opposed to scientific socialism, identifying scientific socialism as originating with utopian socialism and existing in a modern form as Marxism.

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Wow, I got as far into that as Hero calling the Occupy group fascists before I had to give up from laughing too hard.

Yeah, the liberal, andti-corportate group is aligned with an idealogy that is pro-corporate and anti-liberal....riiiiiiight.
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Saying you're going to spread the wealth with a centrally planned economy that uses labor camps but the ruling party gets a lot more than the workers is Communist. Keeping the wealth from a centrally planned economy that uses labor camps composed of dissidents in the ruling party and using a meritocracy to determine how much of the wealth someone gets is Fascist.

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The two are very similar...why do you think the Nazi's were the National Socialist Party? WW2 Italy was the Italiam Social Republic (after WW2 the Italian Socialist Movement was a Neo-facist movement.)

Facism links the employers, employees, and State in a collabrative movement that eliminates class struggle by putting everyone in service to the collective good. The State is central to the process. True socialism is similar but the State's role diminishes as the workers would have control of the means of production and there would be little or no private property. Facism retains private property but places both the workers and the employers on equal footing but under the ultimate control of the state.

So, in facist worlds, labor unions are not allowed to strike, because it would be counter to the common good...but is also unnecessary because the State is forcing employers to meet the needs of the workers.

I note for the record that many people consider facism (National Socialism) to be an offshoot of socialism, which explains many of the common characteristics. Clearly socialism came first. I suspect facism was meant to be a fusion of socialism, nationalism, existing political structures, and economic reality.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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The Nazis were anti-conservative, pro liberals who demonized the wealthy and conservative aristocracy for their greed and betrayal of the German people.

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Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis; focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.

Nazism advocated the supremacy of the supposed Aryan master race over all other races. Nazis viewed the progress of humanity as depending on the Aryans and believed that it could maintain its dominance only if it retained its purity and instinct for self-preservation. They claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as capitalism, democracy, the Enlightenment, industrialisation, liberalism, Marxism, parliamentary politics, and trade unionism. To maintain the purity and strength of the Aryan race, the Nazis sought to exterminate or impose exclusionary segregation upon "degenerate" and "asocial" groups that included: Jews, homosexuals, Romani, blacks, the physically and mentally disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses and political opponents.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Hero", do yourself - and all of us - a favor, and don't try to lecture us on something you don't even know how to spell, okay?

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