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Upton, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said Friday's decision guarantees congressional action on the matter.

"The Constitution does not compromise; those rights are inalienable and cannot be bartered away for political expediency and convenience," he said. "The administration has simply reaffirmed that congressional action to permanently reverse this mandate is necessary."

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*Raises hand* <-- fellow free lunch giver outer

...razzin' frazzin' anarchists always effin' things up...

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
*Raises hand* <-- fellow free lunch giver outer

...razzin' frazzin' anarchists always effin' things up...

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama thinks he's Hugo Chavez now, ORDERING companies to do as HE sees fit.

This will not stand.

Sorry folks, but FREE healthcare is NOT a 'right'.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Obama thinks he's Hugo Chavez now, ORDERING companies to do as HE sees fit.

This will not stand.

Sorry folks, but FREE healthcare is NOT a 'right'.

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Hello,

I did not know that free healthcare was a topic in this thread?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rappy has this notion that getting what you actually pay for is demanding stuff for "free".

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Rappy has this notion that getting what you actually pay for is demanding stuff for "free".

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But you're not paying for it, and are still getting it for free. At the demand of Hugo Obama.

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The catholic church is giving nothing away free. The insurance companies are being forced to, under the 100% arbitrary decision by Obama as to what constitutes h.c. services. This will only cause ins. rates to increase, because health insurance companies aren't going to simply take a cut in profit, or pay for these things out of their own pocket, for smiles and giggles.

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I see Rap has worked his magic and thread-jacked you into focusing on him again...as usual.

Mike, Cav; were you being sarcastic, or how do you give those free lunches? I'm really curious.

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I give because although I don't ever plan on being on the street, I know full well that life doesn't generally listen to our plans, and instead makes its own.

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I give because although I don't ever plan on being on the street, I know full well that life doesn't generally listen to our plans, and instead makes its own.

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You are the sum total of all the choices you made in your life. And the same goes for each of us. We ALl are the sum of the choices we each made in our lives.

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Easy - If I have a little extra cash in pocket, I'll fork some over. If I have brought a lunch to work and see someone who looks like they need it more than I do, I'll fork it over. If I'm buying lunch, I'll sometimes get some extra - a burger, fries, drink, something like that - and just hand it out the window to someone on the corner.

I give because although I don't ever plan on being on the street, I know full well that life doesn't generally listen to our plans, and instead makes its own.

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One can make all the "right" choices and still end up getting screwed by life.

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Easy - If I have a little extra cash in pocket, I'll fork some over. If I have brought a lunch to work and see someone who looks like they need it more than I do, I'll fork it over. If I'm buying lunch, I'll sometimes get some extra - a burger, fries, drink, something like that - and just hand it out the window to someone on the corner.

I give because although I don't ever plan on being on the street, I know full well that life doesn't generally listen to our plans, and instead makes its own.

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Word for word, chapter and verse from the Anarchist Bible and pretty much exactly (minus the burgers and fries, there's no food in those places as far as I'm concerned) how I handle it as well. When I lived and worked in a more urban environment, left-overs rarely made it home. When I had a basement, I let homeless folks sleep down there on occasion. Your Anarchist tax dollars at work!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Every single one of us has the potential to be the next multimillionaire, or the next homeless person you see. You can make all the choices you want, but you can't control everything.

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Every single one of us has the potential to be the next multimillionaire, or the next homeless person you see. You can make all the choices you want, but you can't control everything.

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May not make one a millionaire, but 3 things folks can do and almost guarantee to NOT end up on the streets.

- Graduate H.S.

- Don't have kids until you're married.

- Stay out of jail

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I do not agree with this at all. Once again you are thoughtlessly quoting someone else's words without putting a molecule of your own brainpower into it.

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So mean old nasty Obama has come up with a compromise which keeps religious freedom sacrosanct yet lets women have THEIR right to health care.

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I do not agree with this at all. Once again you are thoughtlessly quoting someone else's words without putting a molecule of your own brainpower into it.

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Of course you don't. Why am I not surprised ? I mention 3 basic, dirt and stick simple rules for folks to follow, and you have to come out against it. Why, because I'M the one who said it ? Good grief.

There really is no room for anyone to dispute this. Sure, exceptions are gonna exist, ( that's why they're CALLED 'exceptions ', because they're not the norm ) but , by in large, most folks who do and CAN follow these basic rules, are going to stay out of poverty. Doesn't mean they'll live fairy tale lives, live in castles and prance through meadows, but at least in THIS country, and most of those in the civilized world, this holds true.

Never ceases to amaze me at how often folks will fight and resist the most basic and simple of things which the individual can do to improve their own lives

" But,but,but .... you don't understand! "


Please, put a sock in it. Yeah, I DO understand. There will always be the exceptions, the handful of various reasons, excuses, unforeseen circumstances... I get that. But because those things exist, doesn't mean everyone else has to abandon basic common sense and reason.

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I do not agree with this at all. Once again you are thoughtlessly quoting someone else's words without putting a molecule of your own brainpower into it.

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Of course you don't. Why am I not surprised ? I mention 3 basic, dirt and stick simple rules for folks to follow, and you have to come out against it. Why, because I'M the one who said it ? Good grief.

There really is no room for anyone to dispute this. Sure, exceptions are gonna exist, ( that's why they're CALLED 'exceptions ', because they're not the norm ) but , by in large, most folks who do and CAN follow these basic rules, are going to stay out of poverty. Doesn't mean they'll live fairy tale lives, live in castles and prance through meadows, but at least in THIS country, and most of those in the civilized world, this holds true.

Never ceases to amaze me at how often folks will fight and resist the most basic and simple of things which the individual can do to improve their own lives

" But,but,but .... you don't understand! "


Please, put a sock in it. Yeah, I DO understand. There will always be the exceptions, the handful of various reasons, excuses, unforeseen circumstances... I get that. But because those things exist, doesn't mean everyone else has to abandon basic common sense and reason.

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Put a sock in yourself, you rude bastard.

I wouldn't mind your comments so much if I hadn't by chance read almost exact words from Rick Santorum. So I pointed out your penchent for quoting or rehashing conservative sound bites without much evidence of you doing any thinking.

I'm not talking about exceptions. I can't speak for America because I don't live there, but really homelessness here is can really be divided into up into

Temporary homeless - something catastrophic has gone on, illness, job loss, bankruptcy, family breakdown. People fall through the welfare gaps. There isn't enough affordable housing. They spend months living in their car, couch surfing, sleeping rough in warmer weather

Chronically homeless- nearly all of them would suffer mental illness or dependancy issues. They are dependant on agencies to house them, but there isn't enough housing, so they sleep rough a lot of the time. And yes, a lot of them will have also spent time in jail.

If you were going to have a sensible conversation about these issues, it probably boils down to how much personal responsibility is involved in a person's economic circumstances. I see a lot of rhetoric from the right that puts personal responsibility as the sole reason for any poverty, which I dispute vehemently. Some poverty may be about choice, but making good and bad choices depends on capacity and capacity can be affected by many things, including mental illness, addiction, your upbringing, your intelligence, and a whole host of genetic factors.

But of course, its far easier to blame the poor for their poverty, because that means that the wealthy deserve their wealth and then you have whole platform of policies which screw the poor and support the rich. Which is basically Republicanism.

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I do not agree with this at all. Once again you are thoughtlessly quoting someone else's words without putting a molecule of your own brainpower into it.

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Of course you don't. Why am I not surprised ? I mention 3 basic, dirt and stick simple rules for folks to follow, and you have to come out against it. Why, because I'M the one who said it ? Good grief.

There really is no room for anyone to dispute this. Sure, exceptions are gonna exist, ( that's why they're CALLED 'exceptions ', because they're not the norm ) but , by in large, most folks who do and CAN follow these basic rules, are going to stay out of poverty. Doesn't mean they'll live fairy tale lives, live in castles and prance through meadows, but at least in THIS country, and most of those in the civilized world, this holds true.

Never ceases to amaze me at how often folks will fight and resist the most basic and simple of things which the individual can do to improve their own lives

" But,but,but .... you don't understand! "


Please, put a sock in it. Yeah, I DO understand. There will always be the exceptions, the handful of various reasons, excuses, unforeseen circumstances... I get that. But because those things exist, doesn't mean everyone else has to abandon basic common sense and reason.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The catholic church is giving nothing away free. The insurance companies are being forced to, under the 100% arbitrary decision by Obama as to what constitutes h.c. services. This will only cause ins. rates to increase, because health insurance companies aren't going to simply take a cut in profit, or pay for these things out of their own pocket, for smiles and giggles.

And who the hell is the President to tell anyone that they MUST provide something, some service, free of cost to the customer ? If he can force private companies to give away free services, what's to stop him , or ANY President, from demanding other things are " given away " for free ?

Wake up and smell the dictatorship.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"If you understood how the health care reform act is structured you would know that insurance companies are not just going to be able to jack up rates. The reform mandates that 80% (or 85% in some situations) of premiums collected must go into providing health care."

Hello,

If this is true, how does it mitigate Insurance companies increasing rates? They still get more money by doing so.

--Anthony

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So, it's perfectly fine for you to insult my intelligence, because I don't agree w/ you,

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Hello,

If I raise rates a buck, and then I have to give 80 cents back to the customer, I'm earning 20 cents more than before.

While it's nice that they have to (pretend to) provide more services, the reality is that raising rates is still making money.

--Anthony

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