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Originally posted by Storymark:
I think we're past the point where calling them "conservative" is even applicable. They're regressionists.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I think we're past the point where calling them "conservative" is even applicable. They're regressionists.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny, no one held Obama to anywhere near the same standard w/ Rev Wright, who has yet to apologize for ANYTHING he said.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Mr. Raptor,

Is telling women that they should keep their legs closed funny? The joke teller must have thought so, hence conveying something of their value system.

--Anthony

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While being interviewed by Andrea Mitchell in the context of his political involvement, Friess dismissed the importance of his candidate's stances on social issues. Friess was asked about Santorum's beliefs on social issues such as abortion and gay rights, which have led many to question his viability in a general election. "I get such a chuckle when these things come out," he said. He added, "We have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex -- I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are." Friess then turned to contraception. "This contraceptive thing, my gosh it's such [sic] inexpensive. Back in my days, they used Bayer Aspirin for contraception. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly," he said, to a bewildered Andrea Mitchell

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Obama never had to deal w/ it. He never was REPEATEDLY asked by a reporter, as Mr Santorum was, to comment on something Rev Wright said. And keep in mind, Rev Wright was Obama's pastor for 20+ years, officiated his wedding, baptized the Obama girls... who the hell is Friess ?

Santorum's campaign manager ? Nope

His PR official? Nope

He's just some random guy who supports Santorum , and merely repeated an age old , harmless joke. He didn't make any reference to Hillary not being called a nigger, he didn't say god DAMN America, he didn't say that women who get knocked up had it comin' to them , or that the 'chickens are coming home... to roost!'

My god, the sense of proportion w/the MSM, the total LACK of attention given to 1 candidate, while eviscerating another, absolutely defies all reason.

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While being interviewed by Andrea Mitchell in the context of his political involvement, Friess dismissed the importance of his candidate's stances on social issues. Friess was asked about Santorum's beliefs on social issues such as abortion and gay rights, which have led many to question his viability in a general election. "I get such a chuckle when these things come out," he said. He added, "We have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex -- I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are." Friess then turned to contraception. "This contraceptive thing, my gosh it's such [sic] inexpensive. Back in my days, they used Bayer Aspirin for contraception. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn't that costly," he said, to a bewildered Andrea Mitchell

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Friess#Political_activism


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I don't understand your complete disconnect from reality in terms of the Wright controversy when you say things like "Obama never had to deal w/ it." That kind of statement is just staggering. I'm not even sure how to respond. Considering an entire speech was given, public statements made, and a church affiliation changed based on the Wright controversy, saying Obama never had to deal with it is stunning.

On the matter of Mr. Friess, I agree that Mr. Friess is not associated with Mr. Santorum beyond his impressive support for the candidate. However, it's bizarre that you think Mr. Santorum shouldn't be asked if he agrees with this major supporter's viewpoint, since major supporters are often assumed to have common perspectives with their chosen candidates.

--Anthony

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And to compare to the litany of hateful, asinine and divisive speech that Rev Wright spewed, for YEARS, to the single, off the cuff ,innocent joke, made by Friess, only shows at just how far the Left wing media will go to vilify a GOP candidate.

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Funny, no one held Obama to anywhere near the same standard w/ Rev Wright, who has yet to apologize for ANYTHING he said.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

How many men does it take to open a beer can?

None. The beer is supposed to be open when she brings it to him.

(Why am I so OT?
'Cause my jokes are funnier than Friess'.)

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not equating the two situations, as you are.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

How many men does it take to open a beer can?

None. The beer is supposed to be open when she brings it to him.

(Why am I so OT?
'Cause my jokes are funnier than Friess'.)

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True story.

I actually opened a beer for a girl/ friend of mine, and handed it to her, while we were at a concert.

She looked at me in disbelief, as if I had committed some social faux pas.

She was from up north, and apparently, wasn't use to basic southern good manners.

And Anthony, I was showing the glaring hypocrisy, and not equating the two situations, as you are.


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I don't understand your complete disconnect from reality in terms of the Wright controversy when you say things like "Obama never had to deal w/ it." That kind of statement is just staggering. I'm not even sure how to respond. Considering an entire speech was given, public statements made, and a church affiliation changed based on the Wright controversy, saying Obama never had to deal with it is stunning.

On the matter of Mr. Friess, I agree that Mr. Friess is not associated with Mr. Santorum beyond his impressive support for the candidate. However, it's bizarre that you think Mr. Santorum shouldn't be asked if he agrees with this major supporter's viewpoint, since major supporters are often assumed to have common perspectives with their chosen candidates.

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2nd point first. Mr Santorum didn't make the comment. It wasn't said at any function in which he was in attendance. It's not HIS issue to answer. This is 100% a phony, made up bunch of CRAP , by the MSM, for the sole purpose of vilifying a GOP candidate, for NOTHING he said.

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Want Santorum's view on contraception ? Check his voting record. THAT is all that should matter when dealing w/ the candidate and this issue. NOTHING MORE.

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1st point - Obama skated from having to deal w/ the Wright issue. Wright was working WITH the campaign, appointed by Obama himself. His 'church' affiliation? Obama didn't distance himself or break ties w/ RJW upon the news breaking of his hateful rhetoric. Obama just made some smart ass comment about how everyone says stupid stuff, from time to time. And Wright never apologized. For anything.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Actually, there's a far simpler reason nowadays why a guy should never, ever do this for a girl.

Roofies. If you bring a girl an open drink, she doesn't know if you or someone else did something to it. (And you might not either)

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Niki wrongly stated...

The irony of all this is that Santorum DOES want women to use the "aspirin between the knees" form of birth control...unless they want to make a baby with their husbands. I think that's what caused it to make such a fush, the things Santorum has said all along concerning his feelings about "contraception".

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, see, this is why I don't date or go outside or drink. Because this is the kind of thing I think of.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


And where Santorum ACTUALLY stands on the matter....

“As far as contraception, if you look at my voting record, I have a voting record that supports . . . funding for contraception, both domestically, as well as internationally,” Santorum said. “And I would not support any law that would put any restrictions on that.”

There's no irony here , what so ever. But allowing contraception and forcing it to be GIVEN away, are entirely 2 separate issues.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Not necessarily men.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Yeah, it's all pretty clear. This whole battle over contraception is all about controlling women. They put the baby concern on it, but that's not it.

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“There are two great powers, and they’ve been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit.”

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Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
And here is another quote -

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

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Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
And here is another quote -

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

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And your point for posting this ? It doesn't in the least debunk the fact that he's still voted to fund some contraception, he's never moved to have it outlawed, he's just stating his own personal beliefs. You've added literally nothing to this discussion.

But to the point, this once again shows that an individual can have their own personal views on such matters as contraception, but not wish to impose them on anyone else. His view of Christianity is one chosen, and not mandated by Washington D.C. Don't agree w/ that view? Don't want to live your life like that ? Fine, then don't! Some of you are trying to paint this issues as if he's supporting Sharia law, which he isn't.

Ironic, a bit, considering how 'tolerant' some think of themselves, yet that tolerance sure does seem to come and go, on a whim.

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