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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Don't confuse me with FACTS???
Sorry, that's AURaptor's tm, you can't use it.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Don't confuse me with FACTS???
Sorry, that's AURaptor's tm, you can't use it.


The not-so-much-laughing-anymore Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Don't confuse me with FACTS???
Sorry, that's AURaptor's tm, you can't use it.

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Can I use "I don't wanna hear them lame*ss, egghead, science lies."(?)

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(Really, I don't know where the deniers get this idea that the scientific community is capable of working together in a conspiracy. Science is a big long-term catfight, really.)

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Science is a big long-term catfight, really.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

In that case, my only hope is that Richard Branson will offer $25M to
anyone who can cost-effectively convert ocean to fresh water. :(
Didn't someone in Europe already do it?

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Almost six years ago, I was the editor of a single-topic issue on energy for Scientific American that included an article by Princeton University’s Robert Socolow that set out a well-reasoned plan for how to keep atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations below a planet-livable threshold of 560 ppm. The issue came replete with technical solutions that ranged from a hydrogen economy to space-based solar.
If I had it to do over, I’d approach the issue planning differently, my fellow editors permitting. I would scale back on the nuclear fusion and clean coal, instead devoting at least half of the available space for feature articles on psychology, sociology, economics and political science. Since doing that issue, I’ve come to the conclusion that the technical details are the easy part. It’s the social engineering that’s the killer. Moon shots and Manhattan Projects are child’s play compared to needed changes in the way we behave.
A policy article authored by several dozen scientists appeared online March 15 in Science to acknowledge this point: “Human societies must now change course and steer away from critical tipping points in the Earth system that might lead to rapid and irreversible change. This requires fundamental reorientation and restructuring of national and international institutions toward more effective Earth system governance and planetary stewardship.”
…. Unfortunately, far more is needed. To be effective, a new set of institutions would have to be imbued with heavy-handed, transnational enforcement powers.....

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

In that case, my only hope is that Richard Branson will offer $25M to
anyone who can cost-effectively convert ocean to fresh water. :(
Didn't someone in Europe already do it?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Do you want to know what top climate scientists really think of climate change?

They think we've screwed the pooch. They've given up technology on getting us through this mess. No more proposals for carbon sequestration, no nifty gizmos, no minor life-style adjustments, no easy way out. The word apocalypse comes to mind.

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James Hansen is a NASA scientist who delved into global climate change after investigating why Venus was so hot with Dr Van Allen (yes, THAT van Allen, of the van Allen radiation belts).

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's YOUR line, not mine. I'm 100% all about the facts.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

CA has a super long coastline.
Convert ocean to freash water, says I.

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I think it will be messy, but will continue to happen slowly and the effects will be indirect, or not what we expect.

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And that will keep the deniers in denial.

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So I prefer more moderate language.

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Moreover, archaeologists have pointed out that ancient Mayan societies may have been vulnerable to collapse by their very nature. They apparently funneled wealth to a small ruling elite topped by hereditary divine kings, who had virtually unlimited power but whose subjects expected generosity — a string of military defeats or seasonal droughts could greatly damage their credibility. The stability of this system was further threatened by polygamy among rulers, spawning numerous lineages that warred against each other, overall generating conditions ripe for collapse.

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