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"Brokered Convention"?

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Monday, February 20, 2012 7:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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As John Avlon has recently calculated, there is a real possibility that the Republican primary process could fail to yield a majority winner.

What would happen then?

Journalists like to speculate about "brokered conventions": the kind of conventions we had 50 and 100 years ago, where party bosses chose presidential nominees in smoke-filled rooms. But you can't have a "brokered convention" in a system where there are no "brokers."

Here's an example of how the old system worked:

In 1952, most rank-and-file Republicans wanted to nominate Sen. Robert Taft of Ohio, the leader of the party's conservative wing.

In the dozen or so primaries and caucuses held that year, Taft won nearly 2.8 million Republican votes, as compared with only 2 million for Dwight Eisenhower.

But about three-quarters of the states had neither primaries nor caucuses. Their delegates were chosen at state party conventions, and those delegates answered to powerful state officeholders, typically the state governor.

So when the GOP convened in Chicago in 1952, those powerful state officeholders could negotiate among themselves, confident that they controlled the delegate count from their state.

That's how Eisenhower won in 1952. The two most powerful Republican governors in the country -- Thomas Dewey of New York and Earl Warren of California -- preferred Eisenhower, and so Eisenhower it was.

That's not how it would happen today.

Modern governors do not control their state parties the way governors did in the 1950s. And today's delegates won't do as they are told.

What would happen today?

Two possible scenarios:

1) Imagine that Romney falls just slightly short of the 1144 needed to nominate.

In this scenario, an individual party chairman from a smaller state with more old-fashioned rules might be lured to find some way to redirect his state's votes to Romney. That is what happened in 1976, when Gerald Ford narrowly defeated Ronald Reagan by gaining the last-minute support of the Mississippi state delegation; that's the most recent occasion when a convention chose a nominee.

The problem is that there are many fewer such old-fashioned states today than there were in 1976, with the result that the price such "available" states might be able to exact will be considerably higher than it was back then.

Ford only needed to replace his vice presidential candidate, dumping Nelson Rockefeller, anathema to party conservatives, in favor of Bob Dole, then a conservative hero.

But what price would be exacted from Romney? And what effect would that have on the election? Romney badly needs to pivot back to the center for the general election. Would a convention-season deal to get the votes of strongly conservative delegates veto that pivot and doom his hopes?

2) Imagine now that Romney falls substantially short of the 1144.

He might have won more votes and delegates than anybody else, but it becomes hard to argue that he is a clear favorite. Party insiders begin to murmur again about the need to find another candidate.

In an earlier era of American politics, that could be done. In 1920, a conclave of Republican Party bosses could bypass stronger candidates to choose Sen. Warren G. Harding, a politician whose main claim to fame was that he had kept on good terms with all party factions, and who would go on to win the presidency.

In 1940, Republican Party leaders chose a total outsider, Wendell Willkie, a businessman who had not only never been elected to anything, but who had actually been a Roosevelt delegate at the Democratic convention of 1932.

But now?

Who even are the Republican Party leaders -- aside from Roger Ailes, that is? The big donors? But they already chose Romney and now find they cannot make their choice stick.

The big change in American politics over the past two decades has been the decline of followership. Party members expect the party to serve them -- one major reason that both parties have drifted to the ideological extremes since the 1970s.

That expectation would only be intensified and concentrated in a party convention with Fox News and talk radio whipping and riling the delegates into angry emotionalism.

A decision-making convention in modern times won't submit to the edicts of smoke-filled rooms. The delegates will want their own way. http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/20/opinion/frum-gop-nomination/index.html?h
pt=hp_t1
have been murmurs about a brokered convention, but it's that one sentence that bothers me about "another candidate".

Okay, so now I'll join the leagues of conspiracy theorists. Is it even conceivable that this whole thing has been a sham, that there are plans in the works to keep any candidate from getting the numbers needed, sothey pull someone like Chris Christie out of the hat and the Republicans (weary of infighting and unconvinced by any other single candidate) fall in line? Am I just paranoid, or could they possibly be that canny??

If I'm just going off the deep end ( ), how do you think it will turn out?

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Monday, February 20, 2012 8:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


There it is again:
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Given the current delegate count, and possible victories by Gingrich in Ohio and Santorum in Michigan, Republicans could be looking at a messy convention where these battles and tensions play out just before the fall campaign. The Republicans could face the kind of raucous convention that Democrats suffered through in 1968 when internal divisions brought down the party and gave Richard Nixon a commanding edge in the general election.

The situation is so unstable that the notion of a new candidate such as Sarah Palin or Chris Christie entering the mix is no longer impossible http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/20/opinion/zelizer-unpredictable-election/i
ndex.html
this just the MSM having fun ginning up the drama? Or is there more to it?



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Monday, February 20, 2012 8:49 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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Originally posted by Niki2:
There it is again:
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Given the current delegate count, and possible victories by Gingrich in Ohio and Santorum in Michigan, Republicans could be looking at a messy convention where these battles and tensions play out just before the fall campaign. The Republicans could face the kind of raucous convention that Democrats suffered through in 1968 when internal divisions brought down the party and gave Richard Nixon a commanding edge in the general election.

The situation is so unstable that the notion of a new candidate such as Sarah Palin or Chris Christie entering the mix is no longer impossible http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/20/opinion/zelizer-unpredictable-election/i
ndex.html
this just the MSM having fun ginning up the drama? Or is there more to it?








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Monday, February 20, 2012 8:50 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Ron Paul won a statewide recount in Maine...but corrupt GOP is calling it a "recertification".

Seems his slamdunk counties in Maine were not even allowed to vote at all...elections cancelled for "snow prediction" that never snowed...

Ron Paul won a landslide straw poll in TN with 65% of the GOP vote. But we have foreign military contractors manning the blackbox vote machines...

This is why Poppy, GW and JEB visited Hussein Obama in the White House, for Jebbie to steal the GOP brokered nomination, without a single vote!

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Monday, February 20, 2012 9:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahh, here comes PN, dragging his cardboard box of insane "facts" behind him. Now we'll get a slew of threads about Jews who aren't jewish and Dictator Obama who isn't a dictator and on and on and on. Poor baby, how I wish someone could get you some real help...sigh.

Never forget, PN:



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Monday, February 20, 2012 9:34 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, so now I'll join the leagues of conspiracy theorists. Is it even conceivable that this whole thing has been a sham, that there are plans in the works to keep any candidate from getting the numbers needed, sothey pull someone like Chris Christie out of the hat and the Republicans (weary of infighting and unconvinced by any other single candidate) fall in line? Am I just paranoid, or could they possibly be that canny??


No, they're not. Having a candidate jump in at the last minute would be an unqualified disaster for the Repubs. (Though I won't count on all of them being aware of that!) The primary is such an important vetting process. Without it, a last second candidate is a huge crap shoot. There's no time to carefully "frame" things, and anything nutty or shady about the candidate is magnified. Perfect example - Palin.

I'm sure there are a few little cults who hope for some miracle story. Perhaps Christie fans dream of him stepping in to a glorious last minute victory. IMHO, such people are not *canny*, they're idiots. Christie is far from perfect. All the skeletons in his closet would be put on display, and he'd have no time to rebuild his image.

Perhaps if there was someone with no skeletons... but if there were, she/he would be running already.

ETA: Whoa - you actually read PN's post? I'm just grateful that this one didn't take much scrolling.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Monday, February 20, 2012 9:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah...it was a short post, and sometimes if they're short I'll take the time to be amused. I, too, am grateful for the lack of scroll time/energy.

Thanx for your information; it makes sense, and I hope they have as much sense. But then, they DID run Palin...so...?



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Monday, February 20, 2012 10:51 AM

OONJERAH



I want Arnold, 'cause he's cute to me.
Unqualified? Who cares?
His image is already built, and not too dirty.
We already know he's a fascist, so nothing he'd do would surprise us.

Wouldn't I rather see him back in the movies? Well, yeah. It's a hard choice for me.

But I'll be voting democrat anyways.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Monday, February 20, 2012 11:08 AM

RIONAEIRE

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I hope they don't do it like they did in the old days, that doesn't sound fair. I guess whoever has the highest numbers (its going to be close) should get the nominee.

BrokerCon anyone? No thanks, I'll just stay home.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM

OONJERAH



Since it doesn't really matter much who's in office, let's have a good looking, charismatic figurehead.

This story dated 23 Feb 2011 => http://weeklyworldnews.com/politics/27418/george-clooney-to-run-for-pr
esident
/

"MILAN, ITALY – George Clooney announced today that he will be running for President of the United States in 2012.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger, the former Governor of California, met with George Clooney in Santa Monica on Saturday and
convinced Clooney to run for President in 2012.

"That’s right: George Clooney for President in 2012.

"It’s true that Clooney is very close to the Obamas, but Clooney ... "

Yes, I'm being silly, but -- We did elect Raegan, a man unqualified to think. ... Clooney for VP?


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Monday, February 20, 2012 3:16 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ha, the same rules which keep Ah-nold from running are also those which prevent former MI States Attorney, and former Governor, Jennifer Granholm from entering - and that is one lady I would get behind all the way for reasons both personal and political, she did a hell of a job trying to keep this State from sinking while the Rethugs did nothing but poke holes in the boat.

My only gripe is that she's too nice to the bastards, and seems to expect them to actually do the jobs they're assigned instead of working on sabotage 24-7-365 like they did.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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a good looking, charismatic figurehead
Isn't that most often what we get? It's a fact that, in America, that's what we're most drawn to. Celebrity helps...

And yes, thank GAWD the ex-Govenator can't run...not having been born here, he's ineligible. We're sooo glad he's gone here in CA and Gov. Moonbeam is back, but whether even HE can get us out of this mess...



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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:11 PM

OONJERAH



I've not been following Governor Moonbeam.
Isn't his current plan to stimulate employment by spending mega-billions that we don't have on commuter rails?


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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