YOU have GOT to watch this! by SignyM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Is it possible to summarize the content? Video streaming is difficult from my current location.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:15 AM

Anonymous - We are legion - hax - lulz

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:16 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Anonymous - We are legion - hax - lulz

Hello,

What makes this particular video noteworthy, then?

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I will be at hospital with dd for a couple of days; let this soak in for a bit and I will summarize later. Apologies.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:19 AM

Dunno, I can't watch it either. But I figure that's PROBABLY the jist of it, considering their leitmotif.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:32 AM

Hospital?

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:39 AM

America loves a winner!

Since I'm not up to speed on Canadian Parliament politics, I don't fully appreciate the details given. But it is a sobering bit of audio, and one which should have every politician in D.C. equally concerned.

There are no innocents in that town.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:57 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BYTE: Overnight video-EEG monitoring, nothing serious (ETA- we hope)

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:27 AM

Like one of those sleep tests?

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

A little more complicated. Many ppl- our dd included- only have seizures during sleep, so it's important to have the patient go through several sleep cycles. Our dd has been behaving oddly- we're not sure if it's behavioral or neurological- but with her hx of seizures it's important to find out which.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:45 PM

Hope you get good news back. So you're staying overnight too?

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:58 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Anonymous - We are legion - hax - lulz

Hello,

What makes this particular video noteworthy, then?

--Anthony

After chastising a Canadian politician for pushing a bill that would allow the Police full access to private info online, while making it illegal for ISPs to inform customers that their info was accessed - they then reveal just about every single detail (save the names of children) about him, his family, his mistress, the existence of a love child, ect.... and then ask him how he likes it.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:59 PM

In brief: There is a bill (C30) before the Canadian Parliament that would negate the citizen's right to privacy,
making all of their private facts & records available to the police. But the Member who presented the bill has
lied to the public about this.
Anonymous promises to retaliate. Should the bill pass, Members of Parliament who voted for it would soon have all
of their own private records made public.
(At least that's what I got from 1 listen.)

On YouTube: Search for toews anonymous, & select #5 at 7:06 length.
On YouTube, if a video is too fast for my connection, I push Play then Pause and let it Load. It doesn't always load fully, but will in sections.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:02 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Hmmm... Invading the privacy of politicians who want to invade their constituents' privacy?

*STAMP*

Approved!

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:18 PM

Oh, is that what's going on?

It's kind of sad that public servants think they get to keep private documents and that people have to resort to hacking to force government transparency. Here in Utah they passed some nonsense to protect their emails right on the night before pushing through some other ugly legislation. The constitutional law firms went after them on that one, but it's been unresolved as far as I know. Kinda dropped off the radar even. And then a citizen's petition to create a third party ethics panel also got shot down.

My state. Love the outdoors, But I wouldn't be surprised if some of these guys launder money.

In America our documents are already read by the police and homeland security, especially if they're more than six months past the issuance date. Guilt before innocence. Privacy is an illusion.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
In America our documents are already read by the police and homeland security, especially if they're more than six months past the issuance date. Guilt before innocence. Privacy is an illusion.

Then let's all play by the same rules, eh? If our lives are an open book, then let's go ahead and open the book on every public servant out there. After all, it's OUR money they're living off, isn't it?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:57 PM

On YouTube,
Also available: Anonymous - Obama's oath to defend the constitution, Anonymous - Message to Obama,
Anonymous calls for the arrest of David Cameron (PM GB), Anonymous Message to World Leaders.
I am not familiar with Anonymous. Prolly they can hack you and me if motivated. People who hack and
advertise it, I'll trust about as much as I do authors of computer viruses. That particular hacker
mind-set seems akin to mania to me.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Then let's all play by the same rules, eh? If our lives are an open book, then let's go ahead and open the book on every public servant out there. After all, it's OUR money they're living off, isn't it?

Hell yes.

I don't LIKE Anonymous, mind you, and nor do I trust them, but one has to give that them and others are a useful check against abuse of power.

Which means I'll aid and abet them so long as that is true.

-F

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:43 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

A Signe a chara, sounds like getting the tests done during sleep at the hospital is a good idea, I hope they reveal something so you guys know what's up, and I think staying there with her makes sense, it can be scary/unpleasant staying somewhere unfamiliar alone. Best wishes.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:42 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Then let's all play by the same rules, eh? If our lives are an open book, then let's go ahead and open the book on every public servant out there. After all, it's OUR money they're living off, isn't it?

Hell yes.

I don't LIKE Anonymous, mind you, and nor do I trust them, but one has to give that them and others are a useful check against abuse of power.

Which means I'll aid and abet them so long as that is true.

-F

I view them as more or less a necessary evil at this point.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:17 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Don't know that much about the Canadian legal system, but it seems that the police there should be able to get warrants for stuff they want to get from ISPs.

That being said, info the police get, with a warrant or not, is probably not very likely to be widely disseminated to the public, unlike what Anonymous did.

Then again, there's pretty much no way to confirm the accusations Anonymous makes. They could be making this stuff up out of whole cloth.

And outing someone's possible lover but then saying you're not going to name her four year old child is kind'a lame, because if they tell you who the woman is, it's not hard to figure which child it is.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:33 PM

Wikipedia:

"KTTV Fox 11 investigative report on Anonymous.
On July 26, 2007, Fox affiliate KTTV in Los Angeles, California aired a report on Anonymous, calling them a group
of 'hackers on steroids,' 'domestic terrorists,' and collectively an 'Internet hate machine.'"

The English language edition of Al Jazeera, "This is the future, whether one approves or not, and the failure on
the part of governments and media alike to understand, and contend with the rapid change now afoot, ought to remind
everyone concerned why it is that this movement is necessary in the first place."

December 2010 thru 2011, there have been a numer of arrests in several countries.

I didn't look up Hacktivism.

"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... making all of their private facts & records available to the police ..."

I can't play the video here, but no one has mentioned anything about warrants. If the Canadian system is similar to the US, in order to get a warrant you have to demonstrate probable cause. If they are seeking to do wholesale internet trolling sans warrant, then they can't demonstrate probable cause. In which case, why defend the government's actions? Why should a government be allowed to secretly spy on anyone just because?

AFAIK Canada and in fact most other countries have a privacy clause specifically in their constitutions, unlike the US in which privacy is inferred and is (now) assumed only to mean privacy from the federal government. Most other countries including the consortium called the EU also guarantee privacy from intrusion by private parties and all levels of government. (As Facebook found out when brought to court by Germany.)

So this bill would seem to be a direct violation of PRIVACY constitutional requirements.

If lawmakers are threatening the PRIVACY of citizens, perhaps their PRIVACY should also be put at risk.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:33 PM

If You listen to the video, you may well get a different message than I did. I heard Anonymous, of whom I know nothing
except they hack, say that Bill c30 would sneakily, essentially remove a citizen's right to private records as regards
police with or without a warrant or notification. Such a bill would be vile. I can't side with Anonymous knowing next
to nothing about them. Perhaps they are a quite loose group, international, no leadership or definite policies? Are
any of them responsible adults?

I didn't try to look up Bill C30 to find what it actually said, knowing if it were even posted, it'd be a reading and
interpretation chore far beyond my energies. I have no way to pick between the hackers and the member of Parliament
at this time.

It's only a 6 minute video; y'all could go to YouTube, find it, wait for it to load, then listen to it, decide for
yourselves. Anonymous has lots more to say than that, too.

"Insufficient data, Captain."

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:00 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

"Insufficient data, Captain."

My thoughts as well with this C30 stuff. Not up to speed on the history of it, but has Canada been rocked with terrorism? ( and if so who'd even know ? - joking ) But this sounds like they're doing it for " security " reasons, correct ? What need is there for this sort of legislation?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:24 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I didn't try to look up Bill C30 to find what it actually said, knowing if it were even posted, it'd be a reading and
interpretation chore far beyond my energies.

Quote:
The Conservative government has called its controversial new electronic surveillance bill the Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act as it attempts to win support for the planned laws that would give authorities unprecedented new powers to monitor the online and phone habits of Canadians.

The so-called “lawful access” legislation, tabled in the House of Commons Tuesday, will require Internet service providers and cellphone companies to hand over basic customer information — including name, address, phone number, email address, and ISP addresses — to authorities when requested, without the need for a warrant.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/14/online-surveillance-bill-will-
put-electronic-prisoners-bracelet-on-every-canadian/

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:27 AM

America loves a winner!

Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act

Now, who could POSSIBLY be against protecting our precious children from evil, vile online predators ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:32 AM

Quote:
If the Canadian system is similar to the US, in order to get a warrant you have to demonstrate probable cause.

Patriot Act.

Allows them all your emails over 6 months old, and also allows them to compile a database with drivers licenses and facial recognition software for the eventual US version of Interpol. Also, your car and stuff can be subject to an unwarranted search during a routine traffic stop or while going through airport security.

At that point, whether they need a search warrant is actually kind of irrelevant. They've created a loophole around the 4th amendment.

However, at least a judge ruled that you can't put GPS tracers on a car. So we might be able to turn some of this insanity around.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:36 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act

Now, who could POSSIBLY be against protecting our precious children from evil, vile online predators ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

This is an example of something that's actually a dangerous precedent hiding behind something with an innocuous name and a just sounding cause.

They chose the name so that they could tar any opposition as exactly what you said ("who could be against amendments to the Clear Air Act?"), but I wouldn't exactly trust that internet predators is what they're really after. There's already kind of a system in place to catch internet predators and shut down pornographic rings.

This is something else.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:44 AM

I also observe that the image boards that Anonymous crawled out of, wretched hives and they're proud of it, have only one unforgivable offense: posting child pornography. Anyone who does so can expect to be banned and have their IP and personal information reported to the Feds.

So yeah.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I'm with Anthony:

Quote:
Approved!
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I don't know much about Anonymous (who does?) either, but so far their actions have been in the public interest (yes, as THEY view it) and not against the public itself. I have no problem with someone outting information on someone in power pushing a bill to out information about private citizens. I loved it!

And yes, the naming of the bill, much like here, is a transparent attempt to hide what it is: massive invasion of privacy. I'm pretty sure, from all I've heard, that it's done here and they're just following our example.

I'm on the fence about Anonymous, but thus far they haven't done anything of which I've disapproved (but of which TPTB REALLY disapproves). That makes me a bit in their favor.

Sig, let us know how the tests turned out, please? I don't know who dd is, but obviously someone close to you about whom you care, so I hope things turned out well. I can't imagine being able to sleep in a hospital setting, myself (!), so I hope she was able to do so and you got some results. Take care.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I also observe that the image boards that Anonymous crawled out of, wretched hives and they're proud of it, have only one unforgivable offense: posting child pornography. Anyone who does so can expect to be banned and have their IP and personal information reported to the Feds.

So yeah.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards

Also, mocking Yotsuba on 4chan is a bad, bad idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yotsuba_Koiwai#In_other_media

-F

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:01 AM

They also frown on animal cruelty, though the members tend to take the punishment for posting animal cruelty into their own hands instead of through more official channels.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:57 PM

http://www.news10.net/news/article/170789/2/Thousands-affected-after-A
nonymous-hacks-police-union-website
"SACRAMENTO, CA - International hacker group Anonymous claims responsibility for hacking and releasing information
about members of the California Statewide Law Enforcement Association union.
"California police have a notorious history of brutality and therefore have been on our hit list for a good minute now,"
Anonymous posted on a forum, where they released the information."

Interview with a Hacktivist => http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=138048
"We didn't cause a rebellion, we didn't start a coup, we helped." said one 19 year old female Anon. "We sent care packages
that allowed them to work around the filters their government was putting on the internet."

Anonymous launch OpUkraine to tackle Euro 2012 animal cruelty
=> http://technologymob.com/2012/01/anonymous-launch-opukraine-to-tackle-
euro-2012-animal-cruelty/
"UEFA are apparently not completely innocent either having donated 8000 Euros on two occasions for the Sterilisation of
dogs in Ukraine.
"Anonymous didn’t just make a threat though; they took their first action by releasing information (“dox”) on UEFA members
such as Peter Gilliéron and Allan Hansen."

How is the sterilization of (homeless, hungry?) dogs cruel? Did Anonymous think this through?
Cruetly to animals, abandoned animals are issues that will get me frothing. I favor the efforts of folks like Randy
Grimm who catch, feed and rehome the homeless animals. When abandoned dogs reproduce, their pups go feral, living on
the edge of starvation ... I hope for human intervention to save and control them.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:08 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act

Now, who could POSSIBLY be against protecting our precious children from evil, vile online predators ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

This is an example of something that's actually a dangerous precedent hiding behind something with an innocuous name and a just sounding cause.

They chose the name so that they could tar any opposition as exactly what you said ("who could be against amendments to the Clear Air Act?"), but I wouldn't exactly trust that internet predators is what they're really after. There's already kind of a system in place to catch internet predators and shut down pornographic rings.

This is something else.

And where do you suppose they learned how to do that? How could anyone speak out against the USA-PATRIOT Act without being seen as anti-patriotic? And that's precisely what happened, all across this nation: anyone who spoke out against it was branded un-American, traitor, terrorist, and more. It even went on right here on this forum.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:11 PM

If people have pets, they should take care those pets don't reproduce and that there's no accidents if they aren't spayed or neutered.

But at the same time, the plight of feral animals is the fault of humans deciding to take wild animals and make them suitable pets then losing them again to the wild. I have mixed feelings about sterilizing feral animals, I suspect that would be terrifying for the animal, and a large birth rate may be necessary to counter balance a high death rate in the population (feral animals are no longer pets).

Heck, I have mixed feelings about sterilizing pets, because it's not like you'd sterilize a human, though I recognize the necessity here.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:59 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

The patriot act is a problem.

Niki, DD = daughter, DS = son, DH = dear half, used for a spouse or longterm significant other.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:58 AM

LulzSec hackers busted, done in by ringleader => http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_20111743

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 12:05 PM

America loves a winner!

Now, what would be the odds of that ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 1:56 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

LulzSec hackers busted, done in by ringleader => http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_20111743

]

Hello,

If people start making deals, this thing could fall like dominoes. Why on Earth does anyone know who anyone else is?

--Anthony

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Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 2:26 PM

Imagine myself investigating the hackers. If I catch a few, will I out the rat? No Way!
a) He's still of value if unknown,
b) I want other hackers to think the bust mostly due to dumb luck.

So why'd these guys name the mole?
Meant to cause dissension & mistrust among hackers? Or it's what rats deserve?

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 5:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
So why'd these guys name the mole?

Doublecheck the wording, they insinuated it, without exactly SAYING it, big difference.
And while that one might have sang like a canary AFTER being busted, that weren't who rolled em in the first place, that was Adrian Lamos, who's time will come.

As for the bitch who sang...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RewardedAsATraitorDeserves
That's what you GET, when you cooperate with the Feds - since viewed in the harsh light of objectivity they are *worse* criminals than Anonymous could ever dream of being.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:40 PM

March 6th,
LulzSec Leader Strikes Deal with Feds => http://www.govinfosecurity.com/articles.php?art_id=4558

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:00 AM

KRELLEK

that voice sound a little like a slightly calmer and saner Shodan from that old computergame system shock

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:37 PM

FBI: US losing hacker war
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/fbi-us-losing-hacker-war/11143

Summary: A Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) executive says
“we’re not winning” the hacker war. He warns that FBI’s current
model to fight hackers infiltrating governments and companies is
“unsustainable.”

Oonjerah wonders idly ... Can it be the FBI has no competent and
honest hackers of its own? hmmm.

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:12 AM

Well duh - hackers, by their very nature are anti-authoritarian.

The Feds have tried to counter this by training their own, but that kind of bootlicking, straight laced thought process doesn't have the necessary creativity to compete.

All they got is a few punks and shills like Adrian, who's skills are primarily social engineering and betrayal, even hackers have sociopaths although not many, and most of THEM are in it 4thaLuLz.

Adrian is a special case though, he gets off on fucking people over and destroying things, and isn't it so very ironic that he found his calling stooging for the Government, eh ?
His day WILL come.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 11:50 AM

All Hackers are not created from the same mold.

Takedown, 2000, "This film is based on the story of the capture
of computer hacker 'Kevin Mitnick'." Tsutomu Shimomura helped to
capture Kevin M., and he co-wrote the book about it. Tsutomu was
a hacker for the good guys. Pretty good movie.

My sis, along about 1960, went from keypunching to computer
programming. Computers fascinated her, and those were the "bad
old days" when they were still fairly simple. With her obsession
and the relative simplicity of it, she was able to master several
languages.

She liked to call herself a hacker, because she could read binary and
knew enough about architecture to get "underneath." I would say
she got under programming, into the workings of the CPU and BIOS.
But that's probably a misunderstanding by me.

Lemme imagine she's reborn in 1980 and well into hacking by 1995.
She's nearly amoral, could go either way with the talent. Lust for
money and appreciation for nice things like Maseratis, she'd wanna
be paid by a corporation for her skills.

I suggest that what the FBI can't do, the Corporations will.

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Friday, March 30, 2012 11:48 AM