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27,000 dead puppies

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 9:39 AM

WHOZIT

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:32 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


So if Soylent Green is people, what's the stuff they make out of PETA's dead animals? PETA bread? Nope. That's the contributions they pull in from folks who think they're about the animals instead of the money.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:46 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's because they care so much.

Can't you see that ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Asinine--a story the Zit picked up somewhere and ran with. Didn't even wonder about it or check the facts; it's just dramatic, go with it. And asinine, you idiots who jumped on the bandwagon as well; you're just about as intelligent.

First and foremost, I AM NOT A FAN OF PETA! In fact much more than that, I am against them. I feel their antics do far more harm to the cause of animal rights than they ever do good, and I abhor that people support them in these antics.

But where this supposed "story" is concerned, how about some FACTS?
Quote:

The petakillsanimals.com charges of PETA's hypocrisy can be quickly be dismissed with a single link to the PETA fact sheet Euthanasia: The Compassionate Option: http://www.peta.org/issues/Companion-Animals/euthanasia-the-compassion
ate-option.aspx
6 to 8 million animals are handled by animal shelters in the United States each year. Even though some are reclaimed or adopted, nearly 4 million unwanted dogs and cats are left with nowhere to go {That estimate, by the way, is from 2008--imagine what it is NOW!} Shelters cannot humanely house and support all these animals until their natural deaths—they would be forced to live in cramped cages or kennels for years, lonely and stressed, and other animals would have to be turned away because there would not be room for them.

Turning unwanted animals loose to roam the streets is not a humane option. If they don’t starve, freeze, get hit by a car, or die of disease, they may be tormented and possibly killed by cruel juveniles or picked up by dealers who obtain animals to sell to laboratories.

Good and Bad Solutions

Because of the high number of unwanted companion animals and the lack of good homes, sometimes the most humane thing that a shelter worker can do is give an animal a peaceful release from a world in which dogs and cats are often considered “surplus” and unwanted. PETA, The American Veterinary Medical Association, and The Humane Society of the United States concur that an intravenous injection of sodium pentobarbital administered by a trained professional is the kindest, most compassionate method of euthanizing animals. The American Humane Association considers this to be the only acceptable method of euthanasia for cats and dogs in animal shelters.

Injections into the hearts of conscious animals are not acceptable. Inhalants, decompression, drowning, electrocution, shooting, and other methods are also unacceptable because they rarely provide an instant death and cause suffering before death occurs.

Some drugs can cause discomfort if injected too quickly or at too high a dose, and some, such as strychnine, can cause animals to experience violent convulsions, muscle contractions, or cardiac arrest.

Nitrous oxide, halothane, and carbon monoxide gases can be expensive and unreliable and can cause irritation or excitability in animals. Carbon monoxide poisoning causes animals to suffer horribly while they are slowly suffocated. They often scream and go into convulsions while struggling for air. Carbon monoxide poisoning has been outlawed in California, Tennessee, Maryland, and Rhode Island but is still used in many animal shelters throughout the U.S.(2,3)

The physical methods used to kill animals in shelters include shooting, electrocution, and decompression. The obvious problem with shooting is the potential for extreme pain if the person handling the gun is not competent, if the animal is struggling, or if the bullet is deflected and the animal survives. Electrocution can be extremely painful and traumatic and doesn’t always work.

Decompression chambers simulate an ascent to thousands of feet above sea level in a matter of minutes. At many shelters that use this method, decompression occurs at speeds up to 15 times faster than the recommended rate. At this speed, the gases in animals’ sinuses, middle ears, and intestines expand quickly, causing considerable discomfort or severe pain.(4) Accidental recompression can occur when equipment malfunctions, when there is a personnel error, or when small animals become trapped in air pockets. They must then be put through the procedure all over again.

Until dog and cat overpopulation is brought under control through spaying and neutering, we must prevent the suffering of unwanted animals in the most responsible and humane way possible. Euthanasia, performed properly, is often the most compassionate option.

A Compassionate Goodbye

When animal companions become very sick and are suffering with no hope of recovery, and they seem incapable of truly enjoying life, it may be time to provide them with a peaceful death through euthanasia. Ask your veterinarian to talk frankly with you, and consider getting a second opinion if you are in doubt. Be sure that you are not prolonging your animal friend’s suffering because of your own fear of letting go. The tendency is to wait too long, at the expense of the animal you love.

If your animal companion is very nervous, you may want to obtain a dose of tranquilizer from your veterinarian and administer it two hours before the appointed time for euthanasia. The veterinarian will be able to give the injection more easily to a relaxed patient. You will also be calmer when your animal companion is at ease. It is important to try to be cheerful and soothing with your animal friend until after he or she has lost consciousness.

Some veterinarians will come to your home to administer the shot, which can ease the stress of animals who are in pain or fearful of cars or of the veterinarian’s office. Otherwise, go to the animal hospital, perhaps taking along a member of your family or a friend to give you moral support and drive you home. If necessary, ask hospital personnel to help you carry your companion animal inside. If you plan to bury the body, rather than leave it at the hospital, or if your animal companion is in a great deal of pain or is very fearful, you may want to arrange to have the doctor come to the car to give the injection.

Staying with your animal companion while he or she is gently “put to sleep” with an injection of sodium pentobarbital into a vein in the leg can be a great comfort to the animal. If you are extremely upset or nervous, however, you may convey those feelings to your animal friend; it is important to remain calm and speak in a soothing voice. While your animal companion’s brain will “go to sleep” immediately, his or her heart may beat a few minutes longer because circulation may be slowed from the tranquilizer and/or old age. A careful veterinarian will monitor the heart until its last beat. You will never doubt that your friend had a peaceful departure from this life if you are there to say goodbye until the very end.

Finally, remember that it is normal to feel deep grief and a great sense of loss about the death of your animal friend. Please see our factsheet “The Loss of a Companion Animal” for assistance and resources for dealing with this difficult time. Some hospitals and private grief counseling services now recognize the need to help people adjust to the loss of close friends and family members who don’t happen to be human. Take comfort in knowing that you did all that you could to make your animal companion’s passing as painless and peaceful as possible.

If you have other animal companions in your family, take their feelings into consideration, too. If they have been closely bonded with the animal who has died, it can be very helpful to them to have the opportunity to see and smell the deceased companion’s body so that they know what has happened and don’t wait endlessly at the door for their missing companion to return. Animals often have deep feelings of grief and loss, too, when their dog or cat friends die. Be sensitive to their feelings and try to help them through their grief by giving them extra attention and activities, even as you work through your own.

What You Can Do

If your local pound or animal shelter is using any euthanasia method other than an intravenous injection of sodium pentobarbital, protest to local authorities and demand that humane methods be implemented. Check state and local laws for prescribed methods of euthanasia and insist that your local shelter comply with these requirements. Euthanasia should always be performed by well-trained, caring staff members, and animals should never be euthanized in view of other animals.

This should level the "hypocrisy" charge. If they come back with "It is not hypocritical for _mainstream_ organizations to support euthanasia but for an animal rights group to support killing animals?"

This can be countered with the fact that the corner stone of animal rights is the belief that animals have the right not to suffer from our exploitation, abuse, or neglect and that since we have assumed stewardship over dogs and cats in our societies, it is our responsibility to see that we reduce their suffering.

As for the unfortunate episode involving the two misguided PETA employees caught attempting to dispose of euthanized carcasses in a public dumpster, admit that these employees are guilty only of attempting to improperly dispose of the dead animals and NOT of animal cruelty since the carcasses were those of euthanized animals.

Finally, close with a "If you are so alarmed by the number of animals PETA is forced to put down in conjunction with area animal shelters, I am sure you would be equally alarmed by the number/percentage of adoptable animals are put down by your local animal shelter."

Now, you want to get serious? PETA is not an animal shelter...your local one IS, whatever name it goes by. San Francisco implemented a "no kill" policy decades ago, as have numerous other shelters. But not all of them do; the majority still put animals down, and some of them do it in some of the horrendous ways listed above. It's true. So rather than buy into some asinine conspiracy theory about PETA, how about complaining about the shelters who truly subject unwanted pets to agonizing deaths?

Or go find on something more realistic to bitch about. Like Obama's "war on guitars". Or better yet, adopt a dog or cat.


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Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:13 PM

OONJERAH



I spay and neuter my pets.
I do Not have them put to sleep at the first sign of decrepitude.
I hate puppy mills.


Personal responsibility is the Truth.
Self determination triumphs over reaction.

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:33 PM

CAVETROLL


^ This.

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hmmm ... I take it whoZIT posted this with the idea that 'libruls' would instantly jump to the defense of PETA, so that the right-wing-nuts on the board could all band together in a righteous-wing-nut cabal.

How stupid. Well no one ever accused whoZIT of having a lot of brains, or little Rappy either for that matter. And no one ever accused Geezer of being fair and impartial.

I've always wondered if simply flooding the breathing space with inert gas like 100% nitrogen (no oxygen) would be the way to euthanize animals. What drives the feeling of suffocation is a build-up of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream - and with a nitrogen breathing space (or helium or argon) you keep breathing and blowing off CO2 but become unconscious due to lack of oxygen. What I have read of people in confined spaces where the oxygen ran too low was that they passed out without any feeling that anyting was wrong.


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Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:58 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Asinine--a story the Zit picked up somewhere and ran with. Didn't even wonder about it or check the facts...



Did you check the facts, instead of just going to PETAs site and getting their line on it?

I did.

Like this, pretty close to home.

Quote:

NORFOLK -- Every year, tens of thousands of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters, humane societies and by groups in Hampton Roads.

13News found that animal rights group, PETA's euthanasia numbers were the highest in the area.

It took in 2,200 dogs and cats last year and euthanized 93%.

PETA says putting down the animals is a by-product of a pet overpopulation crisis.

"Sometimes euthanasia is part of that equation. Nobody hates that more than we do," said Daphna Nachminovitch, PETA vice president.

She added, "obviously we have to tell people that we euthanize and that is what they're told. There are no secrets at PETA."

Some PETA supporters were unaware of the numbers.

"I just don't believe in killing for no reason. That's one of the reasons I'm behind PETA 100%," said Anita Tevis. She brought her pregnant cat to one of PETA's mobile clinics for an emergency surgery. She said if it weren't for PETA, she could not afford the surgery her pet needed.

Compared to PETA, other area animal control departments, shelters, SPCA's and humane societies had lower euthanasia rates: 26% at Portsmouth Humane Society; 40% at Virginia Beach Animal Control; 50% at Peninsula SPCA; 46% at Norfolk City Animal Control; 1% at Norfolk SPCA; 29% at Hampton Animal Control; 32% at Isle of Wight Animal Control; 68% at James City County Animal Control (Williamsburg), and 58% at Chesapeake City Animal Control and Pound.



http://www.wvec.com/news/local/PETAs-euthanasia-rates-highest-in-Hampt
on-Roads-125837098.html


Google "PETA euthanasia" and you will find PETA has a much higher euthanasia rate than the average of animal shelters and humane societies.

Quote:

Now, you want to get serious? PETA is not an animal shelter...


Then why did they take in 2,200 animals in Hampton Roads and kill 93% of them? Why not refer the folks to the other agencies that had a much lower euthanasia rate?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:35 PM

OONJERAH



I've never heard anything good about PETA. I've heard a lot of bad about PETA.
That's hearsay. So why do I think the bad stories ring true?

I hope Anonymous gets on their case.



Personal responsibility is the Truth.
Self determination triumphs over reaction.

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That would be an interesting turn.

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Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:08 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I'm amazed at how many gullible sheeple think they are 'saving' an animal by 'dropping it off' at an animal 'shelter'.

My college professor confessed in class to personally killing 50,000 dogs and cats. He even made a TV commercial showing a barrel of dead pups he killed. That day in class he brought his new puppy, a purebred, because he would never adopt (save a life) from the animal 'shelter' he's a director of.

These are the same nice folk running the abortion and hospital biz that genocide 10-million US citizens every year. For every baby killed, an adult must be killed to balance the books. The serial killers are in charge...

Now go drink your fluoride and inject your mercury and STFU.

Quote:

"If we do a great job on vaccines, we can lower global population."
-Billionaire Bill Gates, T.E.D. Con
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=42117&m=762472

"In a lengthy interview with Bill Moyers released today, Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates reveals the inspiration for his funding of pro-abortion population control measures. Responding to a question by Moyers on how he came to fund “reproductive issues” Gates answered, “When I was growing up, my parents were always involved in various volunteer things. My dad was head of Planned Parenthood."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2003/may/03050902

"Microsoft founder turned philanthropist Bill Gates released a glass full of mosquitoes at an elite technology conference to make a point about the deadly disease malaria. "Malaria is spread by mosquitoes," Gates said while opening a jar onstage at the Technology, Entertainment, Design Conference — a gathering known to attract technology kings, politicians, and Hollywood stars. "I brought some. Here I'll let them roam around. There is no reason only poor people should be infected." The unusual presentation on malaria prevention was confirmed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's media office.
In September, Gates announced that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would provide $168.7 million to the PATH Malaria Vaccine Initiative to help develop a vaccine for the deadly disease [and avoid paying taxes on $168.7 million by giving it to themselves]." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488348,00.html

"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. Our estimated 10-year total of 7.8 million iatrogenic* deaths is more than all the casualties from all the wars fought by the US throughout its entire history. Our considerably higher figure is equivalent to six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each day."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, "Death by Medicine", March 2004 (plus 1-Million annual aborticides in USA)
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm

Merck brags Vioxx killed more people than Americans killed in the Vietnam War
http://www.ktradionetwork.com/2009/11/25/vioxx-scandal-news/

"In 2003 I had a patient who was a patient in my drug-free medical practice, who was a head of state. One day she said, 'You know, it's almost time for the Great Culling to begin. The Great Culling, when you thin the herd. It's almost time for the Useless Eaters to be culled. Those are the people who are consuming our unrenewable natural resources.' I said, 'Who's behind that?' She said, 'We, the aristocrats.'"
-Dr Rima Laibow MD, wife of General Albert Stubblebine (commander of Men Who Kill Goats in CIA's Project Stargate), Bilderberg Conspiracy Theory with Govenor Jesse Ventura
youtube.com/watch?v=4Az0csNr5B0
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=300
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634
youtube.com/watch?v=dIuYNaDIFm0

"'People are too trusting, people don't ask the right questions.' Sometimes, being too trusting was equated with being too dumb. But sometimes when he would say that and say, 'People don't ask the right questions,' it was almost with a sense of regret, as if he were uneasy with what he was part of, and wished that people would challenge it and maybe not be so trusting."
-Dr. Lawrence Dunegan MD, quoting Dr. Richard Day MD who was director of Planned Parenthood paid $1-billion by the U.S. Govt to successfully genocide 100-million U.S. citizens, New Order of the Barbarians
http://100777.com/nwo/barbarians

“The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Zohar II, 4b

"Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. We're too many people; that's why we have global warming. Everybody in the world's got to pledge to themselves to one or two children. Communist China just wants to sell us shoes. They're not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends, too. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid. A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."
-Ted Turner, bi-polar jewish founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary tax-free in one day and owns 1,910,000 acres (more land in USA than any other US citizen), father of 5 kids, Bilderberg Secret Society
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."
-Georgia Guidestones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones



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Monday, February 27, 2012 9:41 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I've always thought PETA is too extreme, I love eating meat and that isn't changing.

I do think its important when putting animals to sleep to do it in the most humane and pain free way possible, we don't want them to suffer, I liked the piece Niki put up about it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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