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In Canada, it takes a village to co-parent a child.

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Monday, March 5, 2012 7:49 AM

AURAPTOR

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KITCHENER — A Kitchener father is upset that police arrested him at his children’s’ school Wednesday, hauled him down to the station and strip-searched him, all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.

“I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Jessie Sansone, 26, said Thursday.

“I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school.”

The school principal, police and child welfare officials, however, all stand by their actions. They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.

“From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child,” said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services.

Waterloo Regional Police Insp. Kevin Thaler said there was a complaint from Forest Hills public school that “a firearm was in a residence and children had access to it. We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.”

Their concern wasn’t based on the drawing alone, he said.

Neaveh, the child who made the drawing, also made comments about it that raised more flags.

Sansone thinks police overreacted. He didn’t find out until hours after his arrest what had actually sparked the incident.

He said he went to the school Wednesday afternoon to pick up his three children. He was summoned to the principal’s office where three police officers were waiting. They said he was being charged with possession of a firearm.

He was escorted from the school, handcuffed and put in the back of a cruiser.

At the same time, other police officers went to his home, where his wife and 15-month-old child were waiting for his return.

They made his wife come to the police station while the other three children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.

“Nobody was given any explanation,” said his wife, Stephanie Squires. “I didn’t know why he was being arrested.

“He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake.’ ”

At the police station, Sansone talked to a lawyer who said only that he was being charged with possession of a firearm, Sansone said.

He kept asking questions. He was given a blanket and told he would appear before a judge in the morning to post bail.

“I was getting pretty scared at that point,” Sansone said. “It seemed like I was actually being charged at this point.”

He was forced to remove his clothes for a full strip search.

Several hours later, a detective apologized and said he was being released with no charges, Sansone said.

The detective told him that his four-year-old daughter had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

“To be honest with you, I broke down,” Sansone said. “My character got put down so much. I was actually really hurt, like it could happen that easy.

“How do you recognize a criminal from a father?’’

He said he thought he had good relations with the principal who offered him a job last year counselling students at the school.

“We’re educated,’’ he said. “I’m a certified PSW (personal support worker) and a life issues counsellor. I go into schools to try to make a difference.’’

After he was released, Sansone was asked to sign a paper authorizing a search of his home. He signed, even though he didn’t have to, he said.

“I just think they blew it out of proportion,’’ Squires said. “It was for absolutely nothing. They searched our house upside down and found nothing. They had the assumption he owned a firearm.

“The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing.’’

Scott, of Family and Children’s Services, said the agency was obligated to investigate after getting a report from the school.

“Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.”

If there’s a potential crime that’s been committed, the agency must call in police, she said

“In the end, it may not be substantiated. There may be a reasonable explanation for why the child drew that gun. But we have to go on what gets presented to us.

“I’m sure this was a very stressful thing for the family,” she acknowledged.

The school principal, Steve Zack, said a staff member called child welfare officials because the law requires them to report anything involving the safety or neglect of a child.

The agency chose to involve police, he said.

“Police chose to arrest Jessie here. Nobody wants something like this to happen at any time, especially not at school. But that’s out of my hands.”

Sansone says he got into some trouble with the law five years ago, and was convicted of assault and attempted burglary. But he’s put all that behind him. He never had any firearms-related charges.

As for the strip search, Thaler said it was done “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.



And ya gotta love this last part of the story...on the VERY last line...

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“At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally,” he said.

http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/676150--man-shocked-by-arr
est-after-daughter-draws-picture-of-gun-at-school





But what may be the MOST ominous issue of this incident, this quote...


“We do work hand in hand with the families because we co-parent,” Gregg Bereznick, the superintendent of Waterloo Region District School Board.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/01/government-has-no-place-at-family
-table



Say what? You " co-parent " ?? Really ? And here I thought the schools were about EDUCATING, not co-parenting.


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Monday, March 5, 2012 7:58 AM

CAVETROLL


Hmm, glad I don't have kids and glad I don't live there. If I had children I surely would not trust their well being to a group of people with such an apparent lack of basic logic skills.

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Monday, March 5, 2012 8:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Hmm, glad I don't have kids and glad I don't live there. If I had children I surely would not trust their well being to a group of people with such an apparent lack of basic logic skills.



The man didn't even OWN a gun, yet he was arrested, taken to the police station, and strip searched.

Does that seem right to you ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, March 5, 2012 10:26 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


wasn't there a conversation about this elsewhere?

I can only speak for our child protection services here, but they are kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't [take action re potential threats]]. I'm wondering if they have more information on this family than they are disclosing, given that dad has a criminal record.

Sounds like Canada, like Australia, has mandatory reporting.

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Monday, March 5, 2012 11:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
wasn't there a conversation about this elsewhere?

I can only speak for our child protection services here, but they are kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't [take action re potential threats]]. I'm wondering if they have more information on this family than they are disclosing, given that dad has a criminal record.

Sounds like Canada, like Australia, has mandatory reporting.



If so, then I missed it, and didn't mean to repost. I just heard about this recently.

The basic story is about the over reach of govt, and multiple areas. Even taking private gun ownership off the table, for the sake of discussion, there's real reason for concern here.

From the father being ARRESTED, with out any due process, or evidence, to being strip searched, to the icing on the authoritarian cake , of the school board superintendent stating that they co-parent ! Um, the little girl HAS 2 parents! She doesn't need any more, thank you very much.

I would seriously consider taking up arms if my country came to trying to control its citizens to THAT much of a degree. Seriously folks, this is George Orwell, 1984 type stuff, actually happening in my time.

Stunning.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, March 5, 2012 11:58 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, not quite, because if it were REALLY Orwellian the kids would be encouraged if not outright brainwashed to report their parents for anything just to break up the family, and the parents would think their children were good model citizens for doing so.

But it's pretty bad, especially when anyone with a little brain power could look at what the child said and realize the child wasn't saying "daddy threatens us with guns" but rather "daddy is a hero, he keeps us safe and fights bad guys like those people on the television."

Indirectly however, the interference here may have permanently caused a break in the family, because now the children can't trust that their own parents can protect them... And the little girl is only four.

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Monday, March 5, 2012 4:46 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Indirectly however, the interference here may have permanently caused a break in the family, because now the children can't trust that their own parents can protect them... And the little girl is only four.



Imagine the heart ache from the father who hears from his precious 4 year old... if he's mad at HER. She thinks SHE did something wrong, and that's why he had to go to jail.

I'd like to think they're resilient enough to some how let this one slide, and not have it impact the family. And it would, too, if the " authorities " would just drop it. But they won't. They're still investigating the matter.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, March 5, 2012 6:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
wasn't there a conversation about this elsewhere?


Of course there was, but wee little Rappy can't wrap his pinprick brain around an actual honest discussion and thus never notices it's been hashed out before when he throws some often distorted bolus up to troll for his demented worldview.

He's not the only one guilty of that neither, I'm still annoyed about no one wanting a more rational discussion about that zombie mohammad thing.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, March 5, 2012 8:46 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Ooky, little kids draw stuff, let people be. And if they had to check it out they could have just come over to talk to the parents like normal adults do.

I'm hoping the little one doesn't know her daddy went to jail for a night, most mothers would make something up, like that daddy went over to uncle and auntie's house to stay the night and have a visit.

Yeah this story is pretty bad. Canada is weird.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 1:02 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
wasn't there a conversation about this elsewhere?


Of course there was, but wee little Rappy can't wrap his pinprick brain around an actual honest discussion and thus never notices it's been hashed out before when he throws some often distorted bolus up to troll for his demented worldview.




What part of " If so, then I missed it, and didn't mean to repost. I just heard about this recently ", is too complicated for you to understand ?

What 'distorted, demented world view ' am I trolling for with this particular story ?

Yeah, you got nothing. As usual.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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