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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

     This link, I posted yesterday, with the URL bill-maher-makes-joke-about-rick-santorums-wife-using-sex-toy,
and after viewing Maher's video, I reported that he said no such thing.
=> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/02/18/bill-maher-makes
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It is, in fact, a video of Bill Maher making fun of Rick Santorum by displaying and quoting Rick's Tweets.
And I am left to wonder, Does Rick really tweet? And if so, did he tweet anything that Maher claimed?
Perhaps Maher's humor depends on misquoting everyone?

That's where the English was good enough for Jesus quote came in.
I don't Twitter OR Facebook, so I won't be checking the source.    


Personal responsibility is the Truth.
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Originally posted by 1kiki: So if SOME OTC items are recognized as legitimate health expenses - why not others?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by 1kiki: So if SOME OTC items are recognized as legitimate health expenses - why not others?

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If a person breaks their leg, and needs crutches, then yes, that should be covered. If someone wants to have sex, so the hell what ? Let them pay for what ever they feel they need, be it condoms, birth control, E.D. pills or baby oil.

Do you NOT see the difference ?

No one is being DENIED these things.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:

Well all I know is that my SIL is at the hospital pushing my new nephew out right now, I think maybe she doesn't believe in birth control because she was talking just the other day about how her friends are betting that she'll be pregnant again within four months of having this one. Its kind of funny to think of an atheist who doesn't believe in birth control, but I'll keep ya posted. I'm just excited about having another nephew, I'll be auntie to as many kids as they want to make. They're having my share as well as their own since I'm not having any.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Just pointing out that 'fair and balanced' Geezer couldn't bring himself to express how he SO disagrees with what his side does, no matter how vile.

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Just pointing out that 'fair and balanced' Geezer couldn't bring himself to express how he SO disagrees with what his side does, no matter how vile.

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Why do you expect more of others then you do of yourself?

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Originally posted by Storymark:

If you are saying Nik doesn't complain about actions by those on the left, you are either lying or you are deliberately ininformed.


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by Storymark:
If you are saying Nik doesn't complain about actions by those on the left, you are either lying or you are deliberately ininformed.

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:

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If you are saying Nik doesn't complain about actions by those on the left, you are either lying or you are deliberately ininformed.

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Neither.
Your reading comprehension could use a little work though.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I comprehended you just fine. I just question your honesty.

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I comprehended you just fine. I just question your honesty.

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So you honestly thought I was questioning Niki when I directly quoted 1kiki? Do you comprehend the difference between two apparently different posters? I understand they have similar names but...

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I comprehended you just fine. I just question your honesty.

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So you honestly thought I was questioning Niki when I directly quoted 1kiki? Do you comprehend the difference between two apparently different posters? I understand they have similar names but...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Oh, SHE knows, but she thinks YOU don't know, and because of that, she feels that it's perfectly fine to question YOUR reading skills.

See how this works ? Doesn't matter what you say, it's what she BELIEVES you really meant to say, that's what matters.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
But look at you getting all cute, trying to use my words against me. Completely ignorant of the context, but its a funny attempt, Ill give you that.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Just pointing out that 'fair and balanced' Geezer couldn't bring himself to express how he SO disagrees with what his side does, no matter how vile.

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Why do you expect more of others then you do of yourself?

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Raptor, of course Atheists can do whatever they like, I'm just saying that, statistically, finding an Atheist who doesn't believe in birth control is probably harder than finding a Christian who doesn't, though I'd be hard pressed to find a Christian who doesn't either since most everyone believes in preventative controception no matter what they believe about other things, but I could dredge a few up.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Bet Im the only one with the balls to admit it, though.

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Yep, called it.

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Atheist not wanting to USE birth control, I can get. But not 'believing' in it... I'm stumped at that one. I mean, it reminds me of this classic...

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Originally posted by RionaEire:

Well all I know is that my SIL is at the hospital pushing my new nephew out right now, I think maybe she doesn't believe in birth control because she was talking just the other day about how her friends are betting that she'll be pregnant again within four months of having this one. Its kind of funny to think of an atheist who doesn't believe in birth control, but I'll keep ya posted. I'm just excited about having another nephew, I'll be auntie to as many kids as they want to make. They're having my share as well as their own since I'm not having any.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Atheists like Richard Dawkins might say that organized religion is evil, and act every bit as bad as a foaming at the mouth fundamentalist accusing different religions for why everything in the world is wrong. He has very strong beliefs.

One atheist might have some idea about life beginning at conception, and so anything to prevent implantation might be murder. Another might concede that the embryotic cells have a different DNA sequence and therefore are a distinct lifeform, but that they are parasitic until born and an abortion is no different than taking medicine to flush out a tapeworm. Others, like myself, focus on the various uncertainties involved in the process, and so the question is more about the social consequences of destroying embryos versus the impact of unplanned or medically complicated/dangerous pregnancies on mothers.

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Bet Im the only one with the balls to admit it, though.

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Yep, called it.

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But what if he believes his hatred is "justified"?

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Others, like myself, focus on the various uncertainties involved in the process, and so the question is more about the social consequences of destroying embryos versus the impact of unplanned or medically complicated/dangerous pregnancies on mothers.

Humans are a varied and eclectic bunch.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Tosses another caber on the pile.

Utah lawmakers pass bill to curb sex education in schools
http://news.yahoo.com/utah-lawmakers-pass-bill-curb-sex-education-scho
ols-045319709.html

Why not just go the rest of the way and curb education in schools, oh, wait - they're halfway there already, nevermind.
*hisssss*

-Frem

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It isn't. But even so, Rush still apologized. Even Bill Maher, dirt bag that he is, sees the hypocrisy in demanding Rush apologize, getting an apology, and then ignoring it, to carry on this phony, contrived 'war on women' charade, which apparently has no exit strategy, at all.

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Wow, really? You're so petty and full of yourself, that you took the time to reply to... you ?

Good grief... let go the hate.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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"16+ paragraphs of absolute b.s."

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The issue is free birth control not being a 'right'.

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Can you please show us all where anyone has said that free birth control is a right? Your mistake is that you keep mixing up "free" with "paid for" and "covered by insurance".

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This few comments Rush said ? Being completely blown out of proportion? Nothing but a mass hysteria from the Left ( yeah, I know where hysteria comes from... gonna accuse me of hating women for using THAT word too ? Go right ahead, it fits your M.O. ) to distract everyone from the REAL issues.

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You'd NEVER do anything like that.

Right?


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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It isn't. But even so, Rush still apologized. Even Bill Maher, dirt bag that he is, sees the hypocrisy in demanding Rush apologize, getting an apology, and then ignoring it, to carry on this phony, contrived 'war on women' charade, which apparently has no exit strategy, at all.

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This one doesn't even really require comment. It's funny on multiple levels, all on its own.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think girls need to have the emotional aspects of sex explained (I can't speak for the guys). I think they need to be told that if you don't feel like you can say no, if you don't feel like you can insist on protecting yourself - or even should, if you feel like it's the only thing you've got going for you and your only life-option --- then you aren't ready.

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*snort*
Back in my day (gawd that makes me sound OLD!) we didn't get it till like eight grade, and the entirety OF it consisted of a 20 minute film basically stating "This is sex, it's bad, don't do it."...

TWENTY YEARS LATER.

My niece went to the same awful school, they didn't offer till TENTH grade, and it was the same fekkin film.

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While it’s true that President Obama’s re-election campaign is gearing up a major push this week to win over female voters, the fact is that Republicans have been helping him out on this front for weeks.
From the GOP primary to the conservative airwaves, in state legislatures and in Congress, Republicans are playing politics with women’s health and basic liberties, driving a wedge among conservatives and driving women voters toward the Democrats.

It all started with Eve. Adam, whom I suspect was a Republican, was angry that after Eve got his rib, she wanted to vote and get a job and be fairly paid. That ungrateful woman! Adam argued back and then Eve registered as an independent, and eventually became a swing vote soccer mom. But anyway…

Fast-forward to February 2011 when anti-choice Republicans pushed a rogue measure to cut off all federal funding from Planned Parenthood, even though less than 3% of services provided by Planned Parenthood are abortions, none of which are paid for using federal grant dollars.

Still, Republicans saw an opportunity to fire up their fringe base while undermining a liberal-leaning advocacy organization. And if the five million American women who get affordable health care from Planned Parenthood every year had to be thrown under the bus, so be it. All’s fair in politics.

Almost a year later, a Republican operative at the Susan G. Komen breast cancer foundation pushed for the organization to cut its support of Planned Parenthood. Uproar from women was swift and strong, prompting Komen to reverse the decision and fire the ideologically-driven instigator.

But Republicans kept pushing their anti-choice, anti-women’s health agenda.

Presidential candidate Rick Santorum, who has repeatedly reiterated his staunch opposition to contraception, began surging in the polls among conservative voters.

Republicans in Virginia proposed a law that would require women seeking abortions, even those resulting from rape or incest, to first submit to mandatory trans-vaginal ultrasounds -- a further invasion of their bodies.

And Republicans in Texas pushed through a law defunding Planned Parenthood clinics in the state, cutting off at least 60,000 low-income women from their health care providers.

Thursday, the New York Times reports, "Senate Democratic women plan to march to the Senate floor to demand quick action on the extension of the Violence Against Women Act."

The Times goes on to say that the act, "once [a piece of ] broadly bipartisan legislation...now faces fierce opposition from conservatives." The article also mentions this point from a female, Republican Senator: "At a closed-door Senate Republican lunch on Tuesday, Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska sternly warned her colleagues that the party was at risk of being successfully painted as anti-woman — with potentially grievous political consequences in the fall."

Which is all to say that when President Obama’s Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius issued preliminary statements on how the contraception mandate would be applied to religiously-based institutions like hospitals and universities with a primarily public purpose, the Republican Party pounced on the situation with the hopes of exploiting it for political gain.

Never mind that 28 states had already instituted similar regulations with no fanfare or uproar from religious conservatives. This was different.

Republican strategists saw this as a slam dunk opportunity to criticize health care reform and paint President Obama as opposing religious liberty. If basic contraception access for women was the casualty, who cares? In fact, for some Republican politicians, like Rick Santorum, that was an added bonus!

Whether or not you think this amounts to a Republican “war on women,” it’s definitely a “war on women voters.”

Consider Mary Russell, a retired teacher from Iowa City, Iowa, who describes herself as an evangelical Christian and “old school” Republican of the moderate mold. Regarding the Republican presidential candidates, Ms. Russell says, “If they’re going to decide on women’s reproductive issues, I’m not going to vote for any of them. Women’s reproduction is our own business.” Now she reports she may vote for President Obama.

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll while in an imagined face-to-face match up, President Obama currently trails Mitt Romney by six percentage points with male voters,but the president has an 18 point lead with women --- across political parties.

It’s no wonder. As divisive as abortion rights still are as a political issue, women voters (and most men) are overwhelmingly supportive of basic contraception. That's no surprise considering that 99% of reproductive-age women have used birth control.

While women voters might rather focus on jobs and the economy, watching Republicans jeopardize women’s health and reproductive freedom while slandering those who try and stand in their way is enough to make women demand not only good jobs and fair pay but political leaders who respect the liberty and rights of women in America.

President Obama’s campaign may be paying for fliers and advertisements to attract women voters, but in this regard, Republicans are giving him the kind of help that money can’t buy.

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