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Mississippi high court upholds Barbour pardons

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Friday, March 9, 2012 8:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Fucking incredible.
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Mississippi's Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the controversial pardons of more than 200 convicts that former Gov. Haley Barbour granted on his way out of office, rejecting a challenge by the state's attorney general.

In a 77-page, 6-3 ruling Thursday afternoon, the court found the pardons "may not be set aside or voided by the judicial branch." Attorney General Jim Hood had argued that no proper notice had been posted in newspapers, but the court found the final decision rested "solely with the governor."

"We are mindful that the victims and their families are entitled to be interested in the subject matter of this case, and they are undoubtedly -- and understandably -- concerned with its outcome," Justice Jess Dickinson wrote for the majority. But in the cases before them, "It fell to the governor alone to decide whether the Constitution's publication requirement was met."

Randy Walker, who survived a shooting by one of the men who was freed, told CNN sister network HLN that he was "totally in shock."

"I thought it was pretty clear-cut that the constitution pretty clearly says one thing, and the justices went another way, as did Barbour," Walker said.

In a statement issued Thursday afternoon, Barbour said the court "reaffirmed more than a century of settled law in our state," but acknowledged that his decision "has been difficult" for many of the inmates' victims.

But in a dissenting opinion, Justice Michael Randolph called the decision "a stunning victory for some lawless convicted felons, and an immeasurable loss for the law-abiding citizens of our state."

Hood argued that the state Constitution required that for a pardon to be valid, notices be filed, each day, for 30 days in newspapers where their crimes were committed. But during a February Supreme Court hearing, Barbour's lawyers argued that previous state court rulings had found the 30-day notice rule was "an unconstitutional encroachment" on the governor's power.

Among the 214 inmates Barbour pardoned before he left office in January were four convicted murderers who had worked as "trusties" at the governor's mansion. Critics argued that the governor failed to consider the families of their victims before freeing them.

All four and an armed robber also pardoned by Barbour have remained free while the issue worked their way through the courts, with their whereabouts monitored daily since January. They are now free under Thursday's decision, and five other inmates who had remained behind bars awaiting a ruling will be released soon.

Ed Blackmon, a lawyer who represented two of those still held, said he expected his clients would be released by Friday.

"Family members are very anxious to have them released," he said.

One of the men, Azikiwe Kambule, is a South African national, and plans to return home upon his release.

"I would encourage him to leave immediately," Blackmon said.

The remainder of those pardoned had already served their time.

One of the pardoned trusties was David Gatlin, who had been serving a life sentence for killing his estranged wife Tammy while she held their 6-week-old baby. Walker was wounded in the same attack.

Tammy Gatlin's sister, Tiffany Brewer, called Thursday's ruling "so unfair."

"I feel like my sister was let down. I think Barbour just wanted to show he had the power to do this. He didn't care about my family or any of the other families. He wanted everyone to know he was the big man, and he proved it," Brewer said.

Barbour has defended his pardons and said the former inmates had been rehabilitated. He said the case was not only about the power of the governor's office, "but about the ability of a governor to grant mercy."

"As I've stated from the beginning, I recognize and respect the natural feelings of victims and their families and I know this has been difficult for many of them," Barbour said in his statement Thursday. "That is why pardons are always subject to a lot of criticism and are generally unpopular. Nevertheless, these were decisions based on repentance, rehabilitation, and redemption, leading to forgiveness and the right defined and given by the state constitution to the governor to offer such people a second chance." http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/08/justice/mississippi-pardons/index.html?h
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What the hell is happening to LAW in this country?!?!

Then again, it IS Mississippi...

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Friday, March 9, 2012 11:11 AM

AURAPTOR

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Friday, March 9, 2012 12:32 PM

OONJERAH



Nationally:
           

Not qualified to have an opinion ... I suspect there's a lot wrong with our justice system & always has been.

Now prison management is privatized. For profit. Does that cause more convictions & longer sentences?



             

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Friday, March 9, 2012 12:42 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, it does. And more wrongful convictions, too. I think we went through this...if not, I could easily be enduced to rant on it. For-profit prisons are abominations. I'll leave it at that for now.

But these were MURDERERS, one of them in a ghastly form, and the only reason they got "pardoned" is they worked in the Governor's mansion and (no doubt on their best behavior--who wouldn't be?) conned him into thinking they were rehabilitated. How about all those lesser criminals who never had the opportunity to curry favor with the governor? He didn't do it because the prisons were overcrowded.



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Friday, March 9, 2012 1:27 PM

HERO


The US Supeeme Court has ruled Federal Pardons can be given for any reason including personal and political.

H

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Friday, March 9, 2012 1:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
The US Supeeme Court has ruled Federal Pardons can be given for any reason including personal and political.

H

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Friday, March 9, 2012 2:00 PM

OONJERAH



Quote Niki: "and the only reason they got 'pardoned' is they worked in the Governor's mansion ... He didn't do it
because the prisons were overcrowded."

I know. My post was OT. I just had to mention it.



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Friday, March 9, 2012 6:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
The US Supeeme Court has ruled Federal Pardons can be given for any reason including personal and political.




Yes, but can a state governor give out federal pardons?

Nevertheless, pardons are one of the perks of the office, like 'em or not. I wasn't happy about all of Clinton's pardons, either, but he's allowed to do them, as was Barbour.

Wanna change that? Change the Constitution - or in the states' cases, change the state constitutions.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:24 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


Yes, but can a state governor give out federal pardons?


No. Each state has a Conatitution which defines and often limits state pardons. Governors can't pardon federal crimes and the President can't pardon state crimes.

Suppose President Clinton accepted money to give a pardon...even called it a bribe. That is legal under the Federal Constitution. The Court has said the President can give the pardon for any reason and even Federal law, such as the bribery law cannot restrict the President's power. The only remedy is impeachment.

H

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Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:59 PM

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