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More Abortion Madness in Arizona?

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UPDATED: Friday, March 16, 2012 13:45
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Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:26 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/314650/20120315/arizona-birth-control-
bill-fire-women-religious.htm

Hello,

Is this article's rather hyperbolic statement of the facts accurate? Is it, in fact, not hyperbole?

Someone with the inside scoop, or accurate sources, please inform us.

--Anthony

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Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:38 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Geez, I love how the Republican is complaining about government interfering in people's lives while supporting legislation that would allow EMPLOYERS to pry into employees private health affairs.

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Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:45 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Indeed. If this is correct, it's basically forcing you to divulge intimate personal details about your sex life.

Ugh.

--Anthony

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Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

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Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:54 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Next they'll being installing cameras in the bedroom to make sure women are only doing their conjugal duty and not enjoying sex. Well, its all about religious freedom, isn't it?

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Friday, March 16, 2012 3:15 AM

CAVETROLL

Totally violates the spirit of the 4th amendment. Possibly interpretive infringement on the 9th as well. But this is an example of unintended consequence. When the government tells one group of people (employers) that they are mandated to do something (provide birth control) you get a backlash. In a sane world this would not pass. But I've come to realize that politicians are not sane.

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Friday, March 16, 2012 8:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Jezus H. Fucking Kriste! How far will this GO?!? Which rightie was it here who said recently that it was stupid to think the right had any desire to go after contraception?!?!?

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When the government tells one group of people (employers) that they are mandated to do something (provide birth control) you get a backlash.

My gawd you have to reach pretty far in attempts to defend what is clearly wrong, just because it's done by the right! That's truly pathetic.

What about all the anti-abortion laws they're passing? Telling one group of people (doctors) that they are mandated to do something is okay with you, obviously. Telling one group of people (small businesses) that they are mandated to let people carrying weapons into their business isn't a problem. The Republicans have passed MANY laws mandating this or that because they're the things THEY want...but let Dems pass something that provides what the right DOESN'T want, suddenly it's wrong. Get a GRIP! No, wait, don't bother...go right on making absurd statements, they surprise nobody.

How about a law saying employers can fire a male for providing viagra unless it's for a medical condition? You'd go along with that, to, I assume.

(On that subject, thread coming...wait for it...)

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Friday, March 16, 2012 9:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Just noticed something that made me smile. Was reading through some of the threads and bumped into this from Byte:

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But I think that the reproductive rights issue is quite a bit simpler than a male conspiracy to keep the women folk down, and I also think it's a separate deal from whether women can vote or have a job. The argument has been made that somehow this is a gateway leading to the removal of the right to vote or work, and I don't fully understand where that perception comes from.

Maybe now that they've gone so far as to say an employer can fire a woman for using contraception, you have a better idea of where the perception came from? Not being nasty here, I just saw the correlation, which is part of something larger...

I think some of us here see the dangers in what's going on and how it IS a "war" on women in many respects, limiting their rights if nothing else. Others think it's in no way connected to an agenda to limit women's rights or curtail their freedoms. So things like claiming the right would never want to curtail contraception, or that what's happening has no connection to limiting women's right to work, is just something they don't see and think the rest of us are silly for fearing. Yet as time goes on, both of those things ARE now happening, and there's sure to be more to come.

I never thought my fears about this bullshit were paranoia, but others have. The old truisim comes to mind that "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you".

This is NOT specifically directed at you, Byte, I have just been constantly reminded as this stuff goes on about someone (I'm almost sure it was Raptor) scoffing that of COURSE they didn't want to limit contraception and that would never happen. Now it has, and will go further. So when I saw your remark, this bill came immediately to mind. Several people here (and in the wider world) have said it's silly to get so head up about what's happening, "it'll never..." But it is. And it will. And we'd better be ready for it.

There are many people in America who would like to make women subservient--even some women--who subconsciously would like to limit women's rights much like Muslim cultures do, just as there are those who, also subconsciously, would like to keep minorities from having equal rights. They rationalize their thoughts and actions with anything that comes along which reinforces their desires--like laws that limit the voting rights of the poor and minorities. We are not the "free and equal" society many insist we are, and we're going backwards, people.

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Friday, March 16, 2012 10:07 AM

STORYMARK

Can we just politely ask Arizona to secede, please?

Spoon!

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Friday, March 16, 2012 10:31 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

But I don't want to secede! I just want us to be less crazy.

--Anthony

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Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

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Friday, March 16, 2012 10:43 AM

STORYMARK

I am unsure which is less likely, alas.

Spoon!

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Friday, March 16, 2012 1:29 PM

OONJERAH

Niki: "they've gone so far as to say an employer can fire a woman for using contraception,"

I seem to recall 30-40 years ago it was the other way around. Not that women employees were told to
use contraception. But if they got pregnant, they could lose their jobs instead getting a leave of
absence.

So combining the 2 principles: Working women must not contracept; and they must not get preganant.
Hmmmm.

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Friday, March 16, 2012 1:45 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup Oonj, that's about it. Moving into the future backwards.

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