Gunman shoots dead Jewish children at French primary school. (not PN) by oldenglanddry

America loves a winner!

People die every day.

:shrug:

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 12:17 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"French police are linking the shootings of four people at a Jewish school in Toulouse to the killings of three soldiers of North African descent in two separate incidents last week. The same gun and the same stolen scooter were used in all three attacks, sources close to the investigation say.

A teacher and three children were shot dead at the Ozar Hatorah school, and a teenage boy was seriously injured.

One of the biggest manhunts in France in recent times is now under way. Investigations are pursuing two principal lines of inquiry: an Islamist motive or the far right."

But liberals aren't a suspect group. Gee, I wonder why.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 12:19 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

While it's true that people die every day, it's not true that innocent people who did nothing wrong are hunted down and killed by a nut with a gun every day. Once again little Rappy just can't seem to grasp reality.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 12:25 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
While it's true that people die every day, it's not true that people are hunted down and killed by a nut with a gun every day. Once again little Rappy just can't seem to grasp reality.

Name ONE thing I posted which was untrue.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 12:38 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY

Only you could turn the death of children into an irrelevance.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 1:09 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

People die every day.

:shrug:

So 9/11 was just a day like any other, then?

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Monday, March 19, 2012 1:12 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

People die every day.

:shrug:

So 9/11 was just a day like any other, then?

Sure. If you say so.

Now Kwickie and I are the only ones making innocent deaths into an irrelevance.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 1:34 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Only you could turn the death of children into an irrelevance.

Jews killed millions of Arab Semite children, but that's religious freedom?

Afghan children liberated from evil Islamic religion

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Monday, March 19, 2012 2:27 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"French police are linking the shootings of four people at a Jewish school in Toulouse to the killings of three soldiers of North African descent in two separate incidents last week. The same gun and the same stolen scooter were used in all three attacks, sources close to the investigation say.

A teacher and three children were shot dead at the Ozar Hatorah school, and a teenage boy was seriously injured.

One of the biggest manhunts in France in recent times is now under way. Investigations are pursuing two principal lines of inquiry: an Islamist motive or the far right."

But liberals aren't a suspect group. Gee, I wonder why.

*snort*
Most curious though, the disparity of the victims, from that it's tough to even ponder motive, if there even is one - by definition a spree shooter ain't exactly right in the head to begin with.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 4:15 PM

Maybe killing various victims to hide his motive, like they do in the movies?

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Monday, March 19, 2012 4:30 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

People die every day.

:shrug:

So 9/11 was just a day like any other, then?

Sure. If you say so.

Now Kwickie and I are the only ones making innocent deaths into an irrelevance.

Not exactly. I was asking if you thought 9/11 was just another day, since you earlier claimed that people die every day, and shrugged about it. Just wondering if your reaction to 9/11 was to shrug it off as no biggie.

Did you react the same way to Daniel Pearl's murder? Breitbart's death? Reagan's?

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Monday, March 19, 2012 5:09 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

That is indeed sad, I hope they catch him/her.

In the famous Poirot novel (I love Poirot novels) The ABC Murders the killer does just that, creates an alphabet killing scheme to obscure it when he finally gets to the person he actually wants to kill, then kills one more time to continue the pattern and frames this really nice innocent guy for it who's initials are ABC, really it was a brilliant read.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 19, 2012 5:11 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Not exactly. I was asking if you thought 9/11 was just another day, since you earlier claimed that people die every day, and shrugged about it. Just wondering if your reaction to 9/11 was to shrug it off as no biggie.

Did you react the same way to Daniel Pearl's murder? Breitbart's death? Reagan's?

You seem to think it's perfectly fine to interject your own views onto others, or distorting what they say by twisting around their words, I figured you'd like to have the same done to you.

So, how's it feel ?

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Monday, March 19, 2012 10:58 PM

French police launch serial killer hunt ... Gunman may have filmed the shootings =>
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0320/france.html

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:00 AM

America loves a winner!

Why else would you film something like that, unless you're trying to recruit others ?

Truly sick.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:52 AM

BYTEMITE

1kiki: Depends on the statistics of "gun violence" and your definition of "innocence."

I've seen reports estimating around 250 people are shot in America every day. Between 9 and 45 of those are children and teenagers.

The common occurrence of a tragedy does little to diminish its impact.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:58 AM

France shooting suspect holed up in building =>
http://www.usatoday.com/news/story/2012-03-21/french-shooter-jewish-sc
hool/53679452/1

TOULOUSE, France (AP) – French police were preparing to storm an apartment building in
Toulouse on Wednesday to arrest a holed-up gunman who is suspected in seven killings and
claiming allegiance to al-Qaeda, a top police official said.

Three officers were wounded in a predawn raid while trying to arrest the 24-year-old
Frenchman of Algerian descent ...

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:28 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

TOULOUSE, France (AP) – French police were preparing to storm an apartment building in Toulouse on Wednesday to arrest a holed-up gunman who is suspected in seven killings and

claiming allegiance to al-Qaeda, a top police official said.

Three officers were wounded in a predawn raid while trying to arrest the 24-year-old Frenchman of Algerian descent ...

Now that can't be right, can it?

Huh.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:32 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

TOULOUSE, France (AP) – French police were preparing to storm an apartment building in Toulouse on Wednesday to arrest a holed-up gunman who is suspected in seven killings and

claiming allegiance to al-Qaeda, a top police official said.

Three officers were wounded in a predawn raid while trying to arrest the 24-year-old Frenchman of Algerian descent ...

Now that can't be right, can it?

Huh.

Awww... Suddenly he's ready to stop shrugging off their deaths. How could I have guessed that the second this news broke, Rappy's fear-triggers would all go off?

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:41 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Awww... Suddenly he's ready to stop shrugging off their deaths. How could I have guessed that the second this news broke, Rappy's fear-triggers would all go off?

How was I suppose to know it was a supporter of al-Qaeda who was behind these attacks?

I mean, honestly...what WERE the odds ? Who could have called THAT one ?

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:09 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Awww... Suddenly he's ready to stop shrugging off their deaths. How could I have guessed that the second this news broke, Rappy's fear-triggers would all go off?

How was I suppose to know it was a supporter of al-Qaeda who was behind these attacks?

I mean, honestly...what WERE the odds ? Who could have called THAT one ?

Well, the early speculation was that it was a crazed right-winger like the guy in Norway. You seemed underwhelmed by that, shrugging it off with a reaction akin to a "Meh..."

Of course, the speculation was correct - al-Qaeda and the Taliban aren't really that much different from the conservative movement in America, so this guy really is a batshit right-winger. But you couldn't have cared less about it until those magical words, "al-Qaeda", were mentioned, at which point your little ears perked right up. As I said, once your fear triggers were tripped, you couldn't help but react!

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:00 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Awww... Suddenly he's ready to stop shrugging off their deaths. How could I have guessed that the second this news broke, Rappy's fear-triggers would all go off?

How was I suppose to know it was a supporter of al-Qaeda who was behind these attacks?

I mean, honestly...what WERE the odds ? Who could have called THAT one ?

Well, the early speculation was that it was a crazed right-winger like the guy in Norway. You seemed underwhelmed by that, shrugging it off with a reaction akin to a "Meh..."

You're such an easy mark.

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Of course, the speculation was correct - al-Qaeda and the Taliban aren't really that much different from the conservative movement in America, so this guy really is a batshit right-winger.

Oh, really? Please do elaborate on all the hundreds of violent attacks by conservatives ( or the 'movement' ) in America.

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But you couldn't have cared less about it until those magical words, "al-Qaeda", were mentioned, at which point your little ears perked right up. As I said, once your fear triggers were tripped, you couldn't help but react!

Until those words were mentioned ? UNTIL ?

*snort*

Those were my suspicious from the very start! ( Again, such an easy mark )
I intentionally down played it , so as to mimic YOUR response, to pretty much every time Muslim radicals go out and kill in the name of Allah.

You literally walked right into the trap, Kwickie. All I had to bait it with saying very little on my initial post, and you just ran wild w/ your imagination. Seeing what you wanted to see, and nothing else.

I mean seriously! You didn't catch my faux surprise, that it was al-Qaeda, with my - " Who could have called THAT one! " comment ?

Crassic.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:17 PM

3/22, abt 1:00 a.m. PST; - TOULOUSE, France

"In 2nd Day of Standoff, French Officials Hope Shooting Suspect Is Still Alive"

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:56 AM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
3/22, abt 1:00 a.m. PST; - TOULOUSE, France

"In 2nd Day of Standoff, French Officials Hope Shooting Suspect Is Still Alive"

Nope, he's dead. Jumped from window.

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:35 AM

CAVETROLL

Unfortunate. Now we'll only be left with supposition as to his motives. I'd have preferred a nice, detailed interrogation, a fair trial, followed by a quick drop on a short rope. Wouldn't have happened anyway. I don't believe France has the death penalty.

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 5:56 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Unfortunate. Now we'll only be left with supposition as to his motives. I'd have preferred a nice, detailed interrogation, a fair trial, followed by a quick drop on a short rope. Wouldn't have happened anyway. I don't believe France has the death penalty.

Was there not a video he took of the attacks? Even if not, motive should still be possible to decipher.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:11 AM

Hmmm. I thought French prisons were worse than death.
Or did they quit that in the last 100 years?

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:46 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I doubt their prisons are so very bad now adays, except the whole being someone's girlfriend thing, but that happens anywhere you go. :P

Well at least he can't do that to anymore people anymore, its good he's dead.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, Mike, isn't he adorable?

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Those were my suspicious from the very start! ( Again, such an easy mark )

I intentionally down played it , so as to mimic YOUR response, to pretty much every time Muslim radicals go out and kill in the name of Allah.

You literally walked right into the trap, Kwickie. All I had to bait it with saying very little on my initial post, and you just ran wild w/ your imagination. Seeing what you wanted to see, and nothing else.

Prize for first guffaw, then outright side-splitting laughter, of the day goes to Rap.

Let's see, he wants us to believe he waited two days, while making various other snarking posts, until the connection came out to "trick" you...

Rationalization

(But I will admit, it was a good try...)

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Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:42 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Let's see, he wants us to believe he waited two days, while making various other snarking posts, until the connection came out to "trick" you...

(But I will admit, it was a good try...)

Yes, Niki. I'm just that good.

And when the goal is achieved, is that the best you have, to call it, a " good try "?

*snort* giggle.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 8:04 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yanno' what right wing extremists like little Rappy and jihadists have in common? To them people are expendable. Rappy has already shown he doesn't care how many people die on the way to his jerk-off dream of endless capitalism. I guess what he finds so disturbing about jihadists is that they are competition!

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Friday, March 23, 2012 8:38 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Jew Sarkozy enjoys election poll bounce after terror killings, despite his policy supporting open-borders, unlimited illegal immigration and overthrow of France by the Nazi European Union
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9161391/Sarkoz
y-enjoys-election-poll-bounce-after-terror-killings.html

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“Anyone who regularly consults Internet sites which promote terror or hatred or violence will be sentenced to prison. What is possible for pedophiles should be possible for trainee terrorists and their supporters, too.”
-President Nicolas Sarkozy, Jewish-American CIA agent

French president Nicolas Sarkozy didn’t wait long to exploit the terror rampage of Mohammed Merah. Soon after the patsy's summary execution by police (no investigation nor public trial allowed), Sarkozy said French citizens who visit “extremist” websites should be treated the same way as those who look at child pornography.
http://www.infowars.com/sarkozy-prosecute-and-imprison-readers-of-extr
emist-websites/

Scary Muslim Mohammed Merah before CIA/Mossad torture and mind-kontrol escape from CIA prison in Afghanistan

AL-CIA-DUUHHHH KILLER'S EXTENSIVE LINKS TO FRENCH AUTHORITIES

Brit Dee, Contributor
Activist Post

The man accused of killing seven people during recent gun attacks in Toulouse has been killed, following a 32-hour standoff with police -- as more information has come to light about his extensive links to the French authorities.

Mohammed Merah, a self-proclaimed Al Qaeda operative, was reportedly found dead on the ground after being shot in the head and falling from his apartment window, following a five-minute gun battle when police stormed the building.

Whilst French authorities claimed to want to end the standoff peacefully and take Merah alive, the siege's fatal finale conveniently removes from the picture a suspect who appears to have had a great deal of contact with both the French intelligence services and the police -- and even with the US military.

French interior minister Claude Guéant yesterday revealed that Merah had been on the radar of the DCRI -- France's domestic intelligence agency -- "for years".

It has since transpired that Merah was questioned by the intelligence service as recently as November 2011, after being summoned to explain trips he had made to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Astonishingly, Merah was reportedly granted freedom to leave by his French intelligence questioners after providing them with photographs supporting his claims of having merely been on an innocent tourist holiday.

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/al-qaeda-killers-extensive-links-t
o.html

France gunman, Mohamed Mera, on U.S. no-fly list

TOULOUSE, France, March 22 (UPI) – The gunman who died Thursday when cornered by French police was on the radar of U.S. authorities as well, sources told The Wall Street Journal.

Mohammed Merah, 24, was on the U.S. no-fly list because he had been in custody in Afghanistan in 2010 before being sent back to France, sources familiar with the case told the newspaper.

The circumstances of Merah’s detention in Afghanistan were not clear, and the Journal said U.S. officials said there was no record of him ever being in the custody of the American military.

Merah was also named as a member of a group called Forsane Alizza, or Knights of Glory, French Interior Minister Claude Gueant said. The French government banned the group in January for trying to recruit people to fight in Afghanistan.
Merah’s career in terrorism came to an end Thursday when he was fatally shot while jumping out of a window in an apartment house in Toulouse by a police tactical team. Police had surrounded the building for more than 30 hours.
Merah reportedly admitted he had carried out the drive-by shootings in southern France that left seven people dead. The victims included three French soldiers gunned down last week and four people, including three children, killed at a Jewish school in Toulouse Monday.

The Los Angeles Times said Merah made video recordings of last week’s shootings, which were in the hands of police. Toulouse prosecutor Francois Molins told reporters Merah said to one paratrooper “You kill my brothers; I kill you” as he opened fire.

Investigators Thursday were looking into any potential accomplices Merah may have had. The Journal said the gunman’s older brother and mother were in custody, but prosecutors did not say why.

Reportedly, the REAL Mohamed Merah had never been in prison in Afghanistan.

Reportedly, the REAL Mohamed Merah was a fun-loving young chap who liked girls, who was described as being popular and polite, but who had been in trouble with the law.

French shooting suspect not jailed in Afghanistan

Merah’s lawyer, Christian Etelin, has said that Merah was in prison in France at the time he was supposed to be in Afghanistan.

According to Reuters, the Kandahar governor’s office has said that “security forces in Kandahar have never detained a French citizen named Mohamed Merah.”

http://counterpsyops.com/2012/03/22/report-france-gunman-mohamed-mera-
on-u-s-no-fly-list/

French Terror Attack ~ All the Hallmarks of an Intelligence Psy-op and False Flag

Mohammed Merah, the suspect in the killing of seven people outside a Jewish school in Toulouse, France, fits the pattern of an al-Qaeda intelligence asset. According to the BBC, he was on the radar of French authorities because of visits he made to Afghanistan and the “militant stronghold” of Waziristan in Pakistan.

More specifically, Merah was handled by France’s DCRI intelligence service ”for years,” according to Claude Gueant, the interior minister.

Merah, a French citizen of Algerian origin, was arrested on December 19, 2007, and was sentenced to three years in jail for planting bombs in the southern province of Kandahar in Afghanistan.

In April of 2011, the United States admitted it has operated secret military prisons in Afghanistanwhere suspected terrorists are held and interrogated without charges.

The notorious Bagram airbase detention center is operated by the Joint Special Operations Command and the DIA’s Defense Counterintelligence and Human Intelligence Center (DCHC).

The DCHC “will be responsible for developing an ‘offensive counterintelligence operations’… capability for the Department of Defense, which may entail efforts to penetrate, deceive and disable foreign intelligence activities directed against U.S. forces,” Secrecy News reported in 2008 after the government announced the creation of DCHC.

The Pentagon and the CIA specialize in creating terrorists as part of a so-called covert and unconventional war doctrine dating back to the end of the Second World War (see Michael McClintock’s Instruments of Statecraft: U.S. Guerilla Warfare, Counterinsurgency, and Counterterrorism, 1940-1990 for an in-depth examination).

Although virtually ignored by the corporate media, it is an established fact that the CIA and Pakistani intelligence created what is now known as al-Qaeda out of the remnants of the Afghan mujahideen following the CIA’s covert three billion dollar war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

It was the so-called Safari Club – organized under the CIA and with the participation of intelligence agencies in France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco and (under the Shah) Iran – that ramped up the largely contrived threat of international terrorism prior to and during the CIA’s manufactured war in Afghanistan (see Peter Dale Scott, Launching the U.S. Terror War: the CIA, 9/11, Afghanistan, and Central Asia).

Intelligence agencies have specialized in the covert – and not so covert – creation of terrorists which are then used to provide a cynical raison d’être for launching military intervention around the world and also providing a pretext to build and expand a domestic surveillance police state.

A textbook example of this process is the Christmas Day, 2009, underwear bomber fiasco – subsequently exposed as a false flag event - that was exploited to push for installing dangerous radiation-emitting naked body porno scanners at U.S. airports.

The fact Mohammed Merah was in the custody of the Joint Special Operations Command in Afghanistan – and his supposed jail break at the Sarposa Prison was reportedly orchestrated by the Taliban (also cretaed by the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI) – certainly raises questions about the attack in France, where a national election will soon be held.

The Telegraph reports that the attacks of the supposedly al-Qaeda connected Merah will play into the election bid of National Front candidate Marine Le Pen, who is unlikely to ever become the president of France.

It has, however, provided Nicholas Sarkozy with a pretext to put the southern part of the nation on high alert and cancel the campaigns of presidential contenders. Sarkozy stands to benefit from the terror attacks and play the role of a strong leader during a national crisis.

“In the short term it is likely that President Nicolas Sarkozy will benefit. Very quickly he took charge. He rushed to the scene. He suspended his campaign. He spoke as the president of the republic,” writes Gavin Hewitt for the BBC.

http://shiftfrequency.com/french-terror-attack-all-the-hallmarks-of-an
-intelligence-psy-op-and-false-flag/

OPERATION GLADIO: NATO BOMBED ITSELF IN FALSE FLAG TERROR ATTACKS TO BLAME COMMUNIST PATSIES AND JUSTIFY POLICE STATE

Operation Gladio (Italian: Operazione Gladio) is the codename for a clandestine NATO "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II. Its purpose was to continue anti-communist actions in the event of a shift to a Communist party led government. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organizations, "Operation Gladio" is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organizations, sometimes called "Super NATO". The name Gladio is the Italian form of gladius, a type of Roman shortsword.[1]

Operating in many NATO and even some neutral countries,[2] Gladio was part of a series of national operations first coordinated by the Clandestine Committee of the Western Union (CCWU), founded in 1948. After the creation of NATO in 1949, the CCWU was integrated into the Clandestine Planning Committee (CPC), founded in 1951 and overseen by SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers, Europe), transferred to Belgium after France’s official withdrawal from NATO's Military Committee in 1966 — which was not followed by the dissolution of the French stay-behind paramilitary movements.

The role of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in sponsoring Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to right-wing terrorist attacks perpetrated in Italy during the "Years of Lead" (late 1960s to early 1980s) and other similar clandestine operations is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation. Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.[3]

On November 22, 1990, the European Parliament passed a resolution condemning Gladio, requesting full investigations – which have yet to be done – and total dismantlement of these paramilitary structures. In 2005, the first academic examination of Gladio was published by Swiss historian Daniele Ganser. Mr. Ganser, as of 2010, is a Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies at the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. His book, NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe, is a documented study of how Gladio operated.

British journalist Philip Willan, who, by 2010, was writing for the UK Guardian and Observer newspapers, described in the book, Puppetmasters: The Political Use of Terrorism in Italy, how the US intelligence services used their relationship with the P2 Masonic lodge to prop up Christian Democrat governments, undermining the growing political influence of the Italian Communist Party.

The 1990 European resolution condemned "the existence for 40 years of a clandestine parallel intelligence" as well as "armed operations organization in several Member States of the Community", which "escaped all democratic controls and has been run by the secret services of the states concerned in collaboration with NATO." Denouncing the "danger that such clandestine network may have interfered illegally in the internal political affairs of Member States or may still do so," especially before the fact that "in certain Member States military secret services (or uncontrolled branches thereof) were involved in serious cases of terrorism and crime," the Parliament demanded a "a full investigation into the nature, structure, aims and all other aspects of these clandestine organizations or any splinter groups, their use for illegal interference in the internal political affairs of the countries concerned, the problem of terrorism in Europe and the possible collusion of the secret services of Member States or third countries." Furthermore, the resolution protested "vigorously at the assumption by certain US military personnel at SHAPE and in NATO of the right to encourage the establishment in Europe of a clandestine intelligence and operation network," asking "the Member States to dismantle all clandestine military and paramilitary networks" and to "draw up a complete list of organizations active in this field, and at the same time to monitor their links with the respective state intelligence services and their links, if any, with terrorist action groups and/or other illegal practices." Finally, the Parliament called "on its competent committee to consider holding a hearing in order to clarify the role and impact of the 'Gladio' organization and any similar bodies," and instructed "its President to forward this resolution to the Commission, the Council, the Secretary-General of NATO, the governments of the Member States and the United States Government."

Coordinated by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), {the secret armies} were run by the European military secret services in close cooperation with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the British foreign secret service Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, also MI6). Trained together with US Green Berets and British Special Air Service (SAS), these clandestine NATO soldiers, armed with underground arms-caches, prepared against a potential Soviet invasion and occupation of Western Europe, as well as the coming to power of communist parties. The clandestine international network covered the European NATO membership, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey, as well as the neutral European countries of Austria, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland.

The Central Intelligence Agency's response to the series of accusations made by Mr. Ganser in his book regarding the CIA's involvement in Operation Gladio, deals with the fact that neither Ganser nor anyone else have solid evidence supporting their accusations. At one point in his book, Mr. Ganser even talks about the CIA's covert action policies as being "terrorist in nature" and then accuses the CIA of using their "networks for political terrorism". After being attacked by Ganser, the CIA has responded to these unfounded attacks by demonstrating that Daniele Ganser's sourcing is "largely secondary" and that Ganser himself has complained about "not being able to find any official sources to support his charges of the CIA’s or any Western European government’s involvement with Gladio".[8]

The existence of these clandestine NATO armies remained a closely guarded secret throughout the Cold War until 1990, when the first branch of the international network was discovered in Italy. It was code-named Gladio, the Italian word for a short double-edged sword [gladius]. While the press said that the NATO secret armies were 'the best-kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II', the Italian government, amidst sharp public criticism, promised to close down the secret army. Italy insisted identical clandestine armies had also existed in all other countries of Western Europe. This allegation proved correct and subsequent research found that in Belgium, the secret NATO army was code-named SDRA8, in Denmark Absalon, in Germany TD BJD, in Greece LOK, in Luxemburg Stay-Behind, in the Netherlands I&O, in Norway ROC, in Portugal Aginter, in Switzerland P26, in Turkey Ozel Harp Dairesi, In Sweden AGAG (Aktions Gruppen Arla Gryning), and in Austria OWSGV. However, the code names of the secret armies in France, Finland and Spain remain unknown.

Upon learning of the discovery, the parliament of the European Union (EU) drafted a resolution sharply criticizing the fact (...) Yet only Italy, Belgium and Switzerland carried out parliamentary investigations, while the administration of President George H. W. Bush refused to comment, being in the midst of preparations for war against Saddam Hussein in the Persian Gulf, and fearing potential damages to the military alliance.

If Gladio was effectively "the best-kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II",[9] it must be underlined, however, that on several occasions, arms caches were discovered and stay-behind paramilitary organizations officially dissolved – only to be created again. But it was not until the 1990s that the full international scope of the program was disclosed to public knowledge. Giulio Andreotti, the main character of Italy’s post-World War II political life, was described by Aldo Moro to his captors as "too close to NATO", Moro thus advising them to be wary. Indeed, before Andreotti’s 1990 acknowledgement of Gladio’s existence, he had "unequivocally" denied it in 1974, and then in 1978 to judges investigating the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing. And even in 1990, "Testimonies collected by the two men (judges Felice Casson and Carlo Mastelloni investigating the 1972 Peteano fascist car bomb) and by the Commission on Terrorism on Rome, and inquiries by The Guardian, indicate that Gladio was involved in activities which do not square with Andreotti's account. Links between Gladio, Italian secret services bosses and the notorious P2 Masonic lodge are manifold (...) In the year that Andreotti denied Gladio’s existence, the P2 treasurer, General Siro Rosetti, gave a generous account of 'a secret security structure made up of civilians, parallel to the armed forces' There are also overlaps between senior Gladio personnel and the committee of military men, Rosa dei Venti (Wind Rose), which tried to stage a coup in 1970.”[5]

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

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Friday, March 23, 2012 8:55 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yanno' what right wing extremists like little Rappy and jihadists have in common? To them people are expendable. Rappy has already shown he doesn't care how many people die on the way to his jerk-off dream of endless capitalism. I guess what he finds so disturbing about jihadists is that they are competition!

I'm no right wing " extremist "

You're full of shit.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 23, 2012 9:20 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And now you're going to dig yourself even deeper into denial. Oh well. No skin off my nose.

Bye. Have a nice life.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 10:43 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

As I've been thinking about this, I think I understand how it is that extremists view the world.

This is what I think:

Extremists believe people are expendable in the drive towards a goal. They have no problem disposing whole groups of people who pose no real threat to their lives or safety. This is what I find to be the defining characteristic of an extremist.

This is b/c they see the world in black and white, in simple received categories.

The world itself, while it contains black and white, is not ONLY black and white. And some things that look black become pale grey in a different light. Some things that look white are only partially visible today. That makes the world complex, ambiguous, uncertain.

In order to make the world a certain place, you need to ignore its complexity and substitute received dogma. Some things are good. Others are bad. Some people are good. The rest are subhuman. My side is right. Your side is an obstacle to eliminate. It's a very short step from dogma to pogrom. All you need is to have your dogma tell you that such a thing is good.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 11:01 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Unfortunate. Now we'll only be left with supposition as to his motives. I'd have preferred a nice, detailed interrogation, a fair trial, followed by a quick drop on a short rope. Wouldn't have happened anyway. I don't believe France has the death penalty.

Yeah, most civilisated countries don't these days....;)

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:30 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
As I've been thinking about this, I think I understand how it is that extremists view the world.

This is what I think:

Extremists believe people are expendable in the drive towards a goal. They have no problem disposing whole groups of people who pose no real threat to their lives or safety. This is what I find to be the defining characteristic of an extremist.

This is b/c they see the world in black and white, in simple received categories.

The world itself, while it contains black and white, is not ONLY black and white. And some things that look black become pale grey in a different light. Some things that look white are only partially visible today. That makes the world complex, ambiguous, uncertain.

In order to make the world a certain place, you need to ignore its complexity and substitute received dogma. Some things are good. Others are bad. Some people are good. The rest are subhuman. My side is right. Your side is an obstacle to eliminate. It's a very short step from dogma to pogrom. All you need is to have your dogma tell you that such a thing is good.

You just described yourself. Bravo.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - So

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, if I'm so dogmatic - tell me what I believe.

It should be easy. Two words each, no qualifiers, no exceptions.

Here's an example from you

Muslims evil

Now, fill in the blanks.

Oh wait, what was I thinking? You got challenged like this before. It was to see who had a better idea of what a libertarian was. You wimped out. I expect no less of you this time. Keep up the good work hiding your ignorance!

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:39 PM

America loves a winner!

Your example is false.

Now, go have a nice life.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - So

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:47 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Let's see, he wants us to believe he waited two days, while making various other snarking posts, until the connection came out to "trick" you...

(But I will admit, it was a good try...)

Yes, Niki. I'm just that good.

And when the goal is achieved, is that the best you have, to call it, a " good try "?

*snort* giggle.

- Someone.

Hell, it wasn't even a good try; you were just backpedaling and trying to cover your ass. You know it, and everybody else here knows it.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 12:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Your example is false."

And another dodge at meeting the challenge! Though not so artful. Pretty obvious and clumsy, actually.

But go ahead right-wing extremist! Keep dodging!

Meanwhile, until you come up with something substantive - bye. have a nice life. I'll leave you to pantomiming, while people passing through gawk and shake their heads.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 1:29 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Hell, it wasn't even a good try; you were just backpedaling and trying to cover your ass. You know it, and everybody else here knows it.

So, a Jewish school gets shot up, killing kids and parents alike, and you think, what... RIGHT WING ? Hell no! Muslim extremists have been targeting civilians, especially kids, for like ever! How many times have I been accused of MUSLIM HATING or some such crap, by you and every other Left wing *idiot, simply for pointing out the obvious ? For pointing out the FACTS!

So, news of this evil gets reported, and what do I say? Nothing. Thus the 'shrug', because, to be honest, I already suspected who it was behind it. Not specifically, but i had a general idea. France has been having its own problems w/ Muslims as of late, or has that escaped your attention as well ? I could guess so, if you're watching MSNBC or some such.

So, there was no 'back-peddling' by me at all. I was already ahead of you, just waiting for the rest of you folks to catch up. Bout gorram time, too.

And kiki... you might want to think about taking some meds for your condition. This fantasy world of yours in your head is starting to blur your view of the real world.

* Sorry Riona, there's another one.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - So

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Friday, March 23, 2012 1:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yanno' what right wing extremists like little Rappy and jihadists have in common? To them people are expendable. Rappy has already shown he doesn't care how many people die on the way to his jerk-off dream of endless capitalism. I guess what he finds so disturbing about jihadists is that they are competition!

Ayep, and like all so called Capitalists and "Free"(for them, and ONLY for them) Market whiners, the idea of actual competition is wholly repugnant to them.

The only difference to ME between Fundamentalist Christianity and Radical Islam is the label on the can - the contents inside are in all the particulars that matter, identical.

Case in point: Treatment of Women.
How much further down THAT road is the Burkha ?
I'm surprised some fundie leglislator hasn't tried to slip that one in already, given the rest of the crap they've pulled.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 2:02 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Ayep, and like all so called Capitalists and "Free"(for them, and ONLY for them) Market whiners, the idea of actual competition is wholly repugnant to them.

The only difference to ME between Fundamentalist Christianity and Radical Islam is the label on the can - the contents inside are in all the particulars that matter, identical.

Case in point: Treatment of Women.
How much further down THAT road is the Burkha ?
I'm surprised some fundie leglislator hasn't tried to slip that one in already, given the rest of the crap they've pulled.

-Frem

This is literally nuts. You're grabbing totally unrelated issues, and sticking them onto things I never even said, and attacking me for the imaginary views that YOU have dreamed up!

And it's LIGHT YEARS between forcing women into burkas, and forcing insurance companies to give away free b-control pills. Good grief, you people's priorities are absolutely up side down.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - So

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Friday, March 23, 2012 3:21 PM

Facing flak, France says gunman a lone wolf with no Qaida links
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Facing-flak-France-say
s-gunman-a-lone-wolf-with-no-Qaida-links/articleshow/12388037.cms

Toulouse killings: Muslims in France struggle with reaction to murder spree
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1151330--toulouse-killings-m
uslims-in-france-struggle-with-reaction-to-murder-spree?bn=1

Religious people tell me it's religion that makes people better.
I don't see it at all. Regardless of their faith or lack of it,
most people mean to be decent and keep good will toward their
fellow man. Yet for some, fanatacism will rule.

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Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:02 PM

French Police Seize 20 in Raids Following Killings in Toulouse
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/31/world/europe/france-police-seize-20-
in-raids-following-toulouse-killings.html

"Eight days after police shot dead the self-confessed
killer of four Jews and three French paratroopers in
southwestern France, elite units on Friday raided
localities in several parts of the country and seized
around 20 people described as Islamic militants."

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Friday, March 30, 2012 1:30 AM