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It's not that Liberals are ignorant, it's that they know so much which isn't true.
Monday, April 9, 2012 10:16 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Monday, April 9, 2012 10:29 AM
STORYMARK
Monday, April 9, 2012 10:31 AM
Monday, April 9, 2012 12:41 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, April 9, 2012 12:57 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Monday, April 9, 2012 1:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wait - he's actually using James O'Keefe as a *NEWS SOURCE*? And he's NOT being ironic about it? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Monday, April 9, 2012 3:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Wait - he's actually using James O'Keefe as a *NEWS SOURCE*? And he's NOT being ironic about it? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Debunk the story, on its merits, if you can. Go for it, dude.
Monday, April 9, 2012 4:42 PM
Monday, April 9, 2012 5:19 PM
Monday, April 9, 2012 11:37 PM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:35 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So, can't dismiss what's on the video, can ya ? Nope. Didn't think so. Eric Holder gets pwned, and so did you, apparently. And because you can't deal w/ the simple, straight forward truth, you are compelled to dig up old quotes, taking them completely out of context, or making them up out thin air, as is if a single one of them has 1 damn thing to do w/ voter fraud and the absolute need to show some sort of ID when voting. Crassic. And Corrine Brown ? Wow, seriously ? Dude, you're completely grasping for straws here, and it shows. What we have here is nothing less than a display of the scientific method. Ask a Question Do Background Research Construct a Hypothesis Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion Communicate Your Results Showing that voter fraud is possible, and in light with all the cases of KNOWN voter fraud, it's hardly a stretch to claim that there's no way that voter fraud can't be wide spread. A simple rule of showing one's ID to the polling officials would greatly reduce such fraud. It's really just that simple. " We're all just folk. " - Mal " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall "The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:16 AM
BLUEHANDEDMENACE
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:45 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Ah, I forgot - only YOU are allowed to say which media sources are acceptable and which aren't.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:12 AM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: "In the District of Columbia, we are one of many states where you identify yourself to the poll worker and you give some information about yourself to the poll worker, your address, and you sign into that book and your signature serves as verification that you are who you say you are on election day," McLaughlin said. So if OKeef signed the book as Holder that would be forgery. I will smile if he gets arrested again.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Okay Rappy, OKeef walked in, got a ballot by giving Holders namd and address and could have voted for him. So? Yes it is voter fraud, at the grand total of one vote. After having done that no one else could have used Holder's name to get a ballot. Plus if Holder did show up after the fact and was degined he could prove his identity, get OKeef's vote thrown out and cast his vote. If anything this shows how unrealistic it is to say there is wide spread voter fraud going on. For that to happen you would need a large goup of people, with an even larger list of registared voters who you know are nto going to show up at the polling stations. At most you maybe able to get a couple hundred votes that way. Even then it is likely that you will be caught. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by GEEZER: Sorry. "The impersonator never identifies himself as Holder, never signs the election book, and never casts a ballot, apparently avoiding criminal activity while demonstrating for the camera how easily fraud could be committed by someone willing to do those things."
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by GEEZER: Sorry. "The impersonator never identifies himself as Holder, never signs the election book, and never casts a ballot, apparently avoiding criminal activity while demonstrating for the camera how easily fraud could be committed by someone willing to do those things." Sorry I missed that. So it looks like he avoids breaking the law. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy. Anyone with a gun could do it! This is the logic applied here. Because someone COULD do this - and change one single vote, but only if they don't get caught - we have to work harder to disenfranchise people, lest someone try to vote for them when the right doesn't want them voting at all!
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:37 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Last November, there was a fairly competitive gubernatorial race in Maryland. Late on Election Day, robocalls targeted more than 100,000 Democratic households, telling voters to “relax” and not bother voting because Dems were going to win. It was one of the most blatant examples of GOP voter-suppression tactics in a long while. Fortunately, those responsible got caught. Yesterday, a jury convicted the Republican ringleader.Quote:Paul E. Schurick, the 2010 campaign manager for former Maryland governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., was convicted Tuesday by a Baltimore jury of four counts stemming from a robocall that prosecutors said was intended to suppress the black vote. Why even bother playing the game of debating actual voter fraud or playing "I am, but what are you?" games, when the historical FACTS and convictions for voter SUPPRESSION are the real issue? The call, which Schurick acknowledged authorizing, was placed on Election Day to 112,000 voters in Baltimore and Prince George’s County, the state’s two largest majority-African American jurisdictions. Recipients were told by an unidentified woman that they could “relax” because Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) had been successful.Fortunately, other members of the former Republican governor’s team will also stand trial for their role. Obviously, there’s a problem when Republican officials believe the best way to win an election is to suppress political participation. But the larger issue here is that GOP officials keep pushing the “war on voting,” putting new hurdles between voters and the ballot box, ostensibly because they fear the scourge of fraud. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/conviction_in_gop_votersuppres033951.php than playing into their spurious comments that voter fraud is "rampant" in this country (which the video certainly doesn't prove is "rampant"), pointing out how much voter-SUPPRESSION has been PROVEN and how many more lost votes it accounts for makes more sense. Voter suppression is all over the place; voter fraud is rare.Quote:The “Voter Protection Act” is the latest ploy from the Republican-controlled Missouri legislature to limit the voting rights of Missouri citizens. The legislature’s two previous attempts at voter suppression were stopped by the Missouri Supreme Court and a veto by Gov. Jay Nixon. The Missouri legislature has claimed these laws are necessary to prevent voter fraud, even though Secretary of State Robin Carnahan has stated that for the past eight years Missouri has had no voter fraud convictions. Her statement is supported by an extensive study done by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University’s School of Law. Additionally, Missouri’s county clerks conduct continuous training for their bipartisan election judges to prevent voter fraud. Many county clerks throughout the state have procured the latest voting equipment that utilizes the latest technology designed to prevent voter fraud. http://www.news-leader.com/article/20120409/OPINIONS02/304090010/Missouri-Legislature-Republicans-voter-identification?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7COpinions%7Cp old Heritage Foundation co-founder Paul Weyrich was at least up front about it:Quote:Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." Wikipedia He was at least honest about it. The number of "voter fraud" instances these laws are supposed to prevent are NOTHING compared to the number of people their voter-suppression techniques will keep from voting.Quote:More than 10 percent of U.S. citizens lack such identification, and the numbers are even higher among constituencies that traditionally lean Democratic - including 18 percent of young voters and 25 percent of African-Americans. http://action.democraticgovernors.org/page/s/stop-vote-suppression-outbrain O'Keefe thing is a FUND-RAISING attempt, it asks for donations right there on the page, and I'm sure it works. But voter SUPPRESSION actuall IS rampant in this country, and these laws just make it worse.Quote:In 1870 Congress ratified the 15th Amendment to the Constitution which declared, “The right of citizen’s of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude...“ In response to this Amendment a number of former Confederate states employed devises such as the poll tax, literacy tests, the grandfather clause, and white primaries to ensure that African American’s were denied their constitutionally guaranteed right to vote. When these devices failed, tactics such as night rides, bombings, lynching, and other terrorist tactics were used to intimidate prospective African American voters. After years of struggle in the courts, legislatures, and the streets, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibiting “covered jurisdictions” from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color." Some of the jurisdictions covered by the Act are in Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Today this ugly part of America’s past has once again become its present. As a result of Republican’s taking control of statehouses after the 2010 mid-term elections, a number of states such as Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, Mississippi (sound familiar) and others have enacted laws imposing new restrictions for voter ID, voter registration, and early voting. For some reason the very people who claim they want to “take their country back”; want to “restore America to its original ideals”; and “protect liberty for all Americans” are working insidiously to deny the franchise to a significant number of American citizens, particularly younger and poorer citizens of color. Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. Based on the Brennan Center’s analysis of the 19 laws and two executive actions that passed in 14 states, it is clear that: [] These new laws could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012. [] The states that have already cut back on voting rights will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012 – 63 percent of the 270 needed to win the presidency.” Republicans are using the pretext of “voter fraud” as the rational for their unconstitutional attack on democracy and specifically voters who are more inclined to vote for a Democrat. The actual fraud is not being perpetrated by the voter; it’s being perpetrated by the Republican elected officials who continue to tell this lie. According to the editorial, The Myth of Voter Fraud, “None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases.” http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8040/2012-03-21.html THOSE are some REAL numbers; when has "voter fraud" ever accounted for numbers like that? Never, of course. And no, "Blackstarnews" isn't about blacks, it's an investigative newspaper. Dr. Wilmer Leon is a Teaching Associate in the Department of Political Science at Howard University in Washington, D.C. As for Black Star News: In 1997, Milton Allimadi founded The Black Star News with his savings and those of then partners Ben Otunu and Mana Kasongo; he obtained financial support from Bill and Camille Cosby. Today, The Black Star News is a renowned investigative newspaper. Following its motto of "Speaking Truth to Empower," The Black Star News has scored several major news scoops which has garnered for it several awards from the Independent Press Association and national media coverage, including from CNN financial news, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, New York Press, The New York Daily News, The New York Post, The New York Observer, New York magazine, The Village Voice, The Washington Times, and Brill's Content Magazine. So diss Leon and where his article was published if you will, but you have to prove the article incorrect to have any relevance. The plain fact is that there have been voter-suppression tactics used throughout our history, while actual voter FRAUD has been negligible. Numerous voter-suppression tactics have been widely used, and verifiably most often by Republicans to suppress the votes of minorities. This is just the latest in a long line of them.
Quote:Paul E. Schurick, the 2010 campaign manager for former Maryland governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., was convicted Tuesday by a Baltimore jury of four counts stemming from a robocall that prosecutors said was intended to suppress the black vote. Why even bother playing the game of debating actual voter fraud or playing "I am, but what are you?" games, when the historical FACTS and convictions for voter SUPPRESSION are the real issue? The call, which Schurick acknowledged authorizing, was placed on Election Day to 112,000 voters in Baltimore and Prince George’s County, the state’s two largest majority-African American jurisdictions. Recipients were told by an unidentified woman that they could “relax” because Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) had been successful.
Quote:The “Voter Protection Act” is the latest ploy from the Republican-controlled Missouri legislature to limit the voting rights of Missouri citizens. The legislature’s two previous attempts at voter suppression were stopped by the Missouri Supreme Court and a veto by Gov. Jay Nixon. The Missouri legislature has claimed these laws are necessary to prevent voter fraud, even though Secretary of State Robin Carnahan has stated that for the past eight years Missouri has had no voter fraud convictions. Her statement is supported by an extensive study done by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University’s School of Law. Additionally, Missouri’s county clerks conduct continuous training for their bipartisan election judges to prevent voter fraud. Many county clerks throughout the state have procured the latest voting equipment that utilizes the latest technology designed to prevent voter fraud. http://www.news-leader.com/article/20120409/OPINIONS02/304090010/Missouri-Legislature-Republicans-voter-identification?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7COpinions%7Cp old Heritage Foundation co-founder Paul Weyrich was at least up front about it:Quote:Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." Wikipedia He was at least honest about it. The number of "voter fraud" instances these laws are supposed to prevent are NOTHING compared to the number of people their voter-suppression techniques will keep from voting.Quote:More than 10 percent of U.S. citizens lack such identification, and the numbers are even higher among constituencies that traditionally lean Democratic - including 18 percent of young voters and 25 percent of African-Americans. http://action.democraticgovernors.org/page/s/stop-vote-suppression-outbrain O'Keefe thing is a FUND-RAISING attempt, it asks for donations right there on the page, and I'm sure it works. But voter SUPPRESSION actuall IS rampant in this country, and these laws just make it worse.Quote:In 1870 Congress ratified the 15th Amendment to the Constitution which declared, “The right of citizen’s of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude...“ In response to this Amendment a number of former Confederate states employed devises such as the poll tax, literacy tests, the grandfather clause, and white primaries to ensure that African American’s were denied their constitutionally guaranteed right to vote. When these devices failed, tactics such as night rides, bombings, lynching, and other terrorist tactics were used to intimidate prospective African American voters. After years of struggle in the courts, legislatures, and the streets, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibiting “covered jurisdictions” from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color." Some of the jurisdictions covered by the Act are in Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Today this ugly part of America’s past has once again become its present. As a result of Republican’s taking control of statehouses after the 2010 mid-term elections, a number of states such as Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, Mississippi (sound familiar) and others have enacted laws imposing new restrictions for voter ID, voter registration, and early voting. For some reason the very people who claim they want to “take their country back”; want to “restore America to its original ideals”; and “protect liberty for all Americans” are working insidiously to deny the franchise to a significant number of American citizens, particularly younger and poorer citizens of color. Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. Based on the Brennan Center’s analysis of the 19 laws and two executive actions that passed in 14 states, it is clear that: [] These new laws could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012. [] The states that have already cut back on voting rights will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012 – 63 percent of the 270 needed to win the presidency.” Republicans are using the pretext of “voter fraud” as the rational for their unconstitutional attack on democracy and specifically voters who are more inclined to vote for a Democrat. The actual fraud is not being perpetrated by the voter; it’s being perpetrated by the Republican elected officials who continue to tell this lie. According to the editorial, The Myth of Voter Fraud, “None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases.” http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8040/2012-03-21.html THOSE are some REAL numbers; when has "voter fraud" ever accounted for numbers like that? Never, of course. And no, "Blackstarnews" isn't about blacks, it's an investigative newspaper. Dr. Wilmer Leon is a Teaching Associate in the Department of Political Science at Howard University in Washington, D.C. As for Black Star News: In 1997, Milton Allimadi founded The Black Star News with his savings and those of then partners Ben Otunu and Mana Kasongo; he obtained financial support from Bill and Camille Cosby. Today, The Black Star News is a renowned investigative newspaper. Following its motto of "Speaking Truth to Empower," The Black Star News has scored several major news scoops which has garnered for it several awards from the Independent Press Association and national media coverage, including from CNN financial news, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, New York Press, The New York Daily News, The New York Post, The New York Observer, New York magazine, The Village Voice, The Washington Times, and Brill's Content Magazine. So diss Leon and where his article was published if you will, but you have to prove the article incorrect to have any relevance. The plain fact is that there have been voter-suppression tactics used throughout our history, while actual voter FRAUD has been negligible. Numerous voter-suppression tactics have been widely used, and verifiably most often by Republicans to suppress the votes of minorities. This is just the latest in a long line of them.
Quote:Republicans have long tried to drive Democratic voters away from the polls. "I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." Wikipedia
Quote:More than 10 percent of U.S. citizens lack such identification, and the numbers are even higher among constituencies that traditionally lean Democratic - including 18 percent of young voters and 25 percent of African-Americans. http://action.democraticgovernors.org/page/s/stop-vote-suppression-outbrain O'Keefe thing is a FUND-RAISING attempt, it asks for donations right there on the page, and I'm sure it works. But voter SUPPRESSION actuall IS rampant in this country, and these laws just make it worse.Quote:In 1870 Congress ratified the 15th Amendment to the Constitution which declared, “The right of citizen’s of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude...“ In response to this Amendment a number of former Confederate states employed devises such as the poll tax, literacy tests, the grandfather clause, and white primaries to ensure that African American’s were denied their constitutionally guaranteed right to vote. When these devices failed, tactics such as night rides, bombings, lynching, and other terrorist tactics were used to intimidate prospective African American voters. After years of struggle in the courts, legislatures, and the streets, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibiting “covered jurisdictions” from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color." Some of the jurisdictions covered by the Act are in Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Today this ugly part of America’s past has once again become its present. As a result of Republican’s taking control of statehouses after the 2010 mid-term elections, a number of states such as Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, Mississippi (sound familiar) and others have enacted laws imposing new restrictions for voter ID, voter registration, and early voting. For some reason the very people who claim they want to “take their country back”; want to “restore America to its original ideals”; and “protect liberty for all Americans” are working insidiously to deny the franchise to a significant number of American citizens, particularly younger and poorer citizens of color. Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. Based on the Brennan Center’s analysis of the 19 laws and two executive actions that passed in 14 states, it is clear that: [] These new laws could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012. [] The states that have already cut back on voting rights will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012 – 63 percent of the 270 needed to win the presidency.” Republicans are using the pretext of “voter fraud” as the rational for their unconstitutional attack on democracy and specifically voters who are more inclined to vote for a Democrat. The actual fraud is not being perpetrated by the voter; it’s being perpetrated by the Republican elected officials who continue to tell this lie. According to the editorial, The Myth of Voter Fraud, “None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases.” http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8040/2012-03-21.html THOSE are some REAL numbers; when has "voter fraud" ever accounted for numbers like that? Never, of course. And no, "Blackstarnews" isn't about blacks, it's an investigative newspaper. Dr. Wilmer Leon is a Teaching Associate in the Department of Political Science at Howard University in Washington, D.C. As for Black Star News: In 1997, Milton Allimadi founded The Black Star News with his savings and those of then partners Ben Otunu and Mana Kasongo; he obtained financial support from Bill and Camille Cosby. Today, The Black Star News is a renowned investigative newspaper. Following its motto of "Speaking Truth to Empower," The Black Star News has scored several major news scoops which has garnered for it several awards from the Independent Press Association and national media coverage, including from CNN financial news, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, New York Press, The New York Daily News, The New York Post, The New York Observer, New York magazine, The Village Voice, The Washington Times, and Brill's Content Magazine. So diss Leon and where his article was published if you will, but you have to prove the article incorrect to have any relevance. The plain fact is that there have been voter-suppression tactics used throughout our history, while actual voter FRAUD has been negligible. Numerous voter-suppression tactics have been widely used, and verifiably most often by Republicans to suppress the votes of minorities. This is just the latest in a long line of them.
Quote:In 1870 Congress ratified the 15th Amendment to the Constitution which declared, “The right of citizen’s of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude...“ In response to this Amendment a number of former Confederate states employed devises such as the poll tax, literacy tests, the grandfather clause, and white primaries to ensure that African American’s were denied their constitutionally guaranteed right to vote. When these devices failed, tactics such as night rides, bombings, lynching, and other terrorist tactics were used to intimidate prospective African American voters. After years of struggle in the courts, legislatures, and the streets, President Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 prohibiting “covered jurisdictions” from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color." Some of the jurisdictions covered by the Act are in Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Today this ugly part of America’s past has once again become its present. As a result of Republican’s taking control of statehouses after the 2010 mid-term elections, a number of states such as Alabama, South Carolina, Texas, Mississippi (sound familiar) and others have enacted laws imposing new restrictions for voter ID, voter registration, and early voting. For some reason the very people who claim they want to “take their country back”; want to “restore America to its original ideals”; and “protect liberty for all Americans” are working insidiously to deny the franchise to a significant number of American citizens, particularly younger and poorer citizens of color. Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. Based on the Brennan Center’s analysis of the 19 laws and two executive actions that passed in 14 states, it is clear that: [] These new laws could make it significantly harder for more than five million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012. [] The states that have already cut back on voting rights will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012 – 63 percent of the 270 needed to win the presidency.” Republicans are using the pretext of “voter fraud” as the rational for their unconstitutional attack on democracy and specifically voters who are more inclined to vote for a Democrat. The actual fraud is not being perpetrated by the voter; it’s being perpetrated by the Republican elected officials who continue to tell this lie. According to the editorial, The Myth of Voter Fraud, “None of these explanations are true. There is almost no voting fraud in America. And none of the lawmakers who claim there is have ever been able to document any but the most isolated cases.” http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTICLE/8040/2012-03-21.html THOSE are some REAL numbers; when has "voter fraud" ever accounted for numbers like that? Never, of course. And no, "Blackstarnews" isn't about blacks, it's an investigative newspaper. Dr. Wilmer Leon is a Teaching Associate in the Department of Political Science at Howard University in Washington, D.C. As for Black Star News: In 1997, Milton Allimadi founded The Black Star News with his savings and those of then partners Ben Otunu and Mana Kasongo; he obtained financial support from Bill and Camille Cosby. Today, The Black Star News is a renowned investigative newspaper. Following its motto of "Speaking Truth to Empower," The Black Star News has scored several major news scoops which has garnered for it several awards from the Independent Press Association and national media coverage, including from CNN financial news, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, New York Press, The New York Daily News, The New York Post, The New York Observer, New York magazine, The Village Voice, The Washington Times, and Brill's Content Magazine. So diss Leon and where his article was published if you will, but you have to prove the article incorrect to have any relevance. The plain fact is that there have been voter-suppression tactics used throughout our history, while actual voter FRAUD has been negligible. Numerous voter-suppression tactics have been widely used, and verifiably most often by Republicans to suppress the votes of minorities. This is just the latest in a long line of them.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by GEEZER: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy. Anyone with a gun could do it! This is the logic applied here. Because someone COULD do this - and change one single vote, but only if they don't get caught - we have to work harder to disenfranchise people, lest someone try to vote for them when the right doesn't want them voting at all! Interesting that you apply the logic many liberals DO use relating to gun control - impose stricter requirements for owning guns and you'll reduce violence - to the argument that stricter requirements for voting reduce fraud. Guess it just depends on who's ox is being gored.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:54 AM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BLUEHANDEDMENACE: It is just so damn funny watching Rappy go into his Ostrich routine after getting refute-slammed yet again by Mikey. I have started to picture Rap as the bad guy under the ghost costume at the end of the Scooby-Doo episode, shaking his fist, "I woulda gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that damned Kwicko!" Seriously Rap. You post stuff from fringe BLOGS, who verofy nothing, and just spew, and complain about what people post from actual news sources? Biased or otherwise, a spot like the New Yorker actually does this crazy thing called verifying facts. I understand your lack of familiarity with the concept, as you have never done it, but it is the exact reason why what Kwicko has posted is valid, and what u have posted is a joke. Do you not understand the concept that if O'Keefe had gone through with his voter fraud, and then Holder showed up himself, proved his ID, and voted, that the tally of votes would ultimately not be affected at all? Or is that too difficult for u to follow?
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURAPTOR: I wasn't refuted by kwickies links. Not even close. It wasn't O'keefe who did this, we're told. It was a 23 yr old white male. Holder is a 61(?) yr old black man. BHM, O'Keefe's video speaks for itself . The villain under the cloak is Holder, getting pwned, if it's anyone. It clearly shows how easy it is to committ voter fraud , which Holder says can't happen.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:06 AM
Quote:Explain how you are going to be able to use this weakness to influence an election in any meaningful way, lets say 500 votes.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:14 AM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Niki For you, I understand that repeating a lie often enough, makes it believable. But for me? Not so much.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURAPTOR: I wasn't refuted by kwickies links. Not even close. It wasn't O'keefe who did this, we're told. It was a 23 yr old white male. Holder is a 61(?) yr old black man.
Quote: BHM, O'Keefe's video speaks for itself . The villain under the cloak is Holder, getting pwned, if it's anyone. It clearly shows how easy it is to committ voter fraud , which Holder says can't happen.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Niki For you, I understand that repeating a lie often enough, makes it believable. But for me? Not so much. Again with the ironic funny overload. Give it a rest, Rappy. My sides are aching from the laughter. "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:05 PM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Here you are supporting much tighter qualifications for who is allowed to vote and who isn't, all while metaphorically claiming that you're strangling democracy because you love it so much.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by GEEZER: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Here you are supporting much tighter qualifications for who is allowed to vote and who isn't, all while metaphorically claiming that you're strangling democracy because you love it so much. Now where in this thread have I done this?
Quote: I posted a link to a local story about the Holder voter fraud story. I posted a followup to correct Nickerson's misapprehension. I noted that you are applying the "we need to regulate this" philosophy to two situations supported by two sides of the political spectrum, and that such application seems to depend on who's injured by the issue.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:34 PM
RIONAEIRE
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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:46 PM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:14 PM
SIGNYM
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Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:15 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: Off topic, but has anyone else noticed that all three of Quicko's closing quotes are by, or about Raptor? :)
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:37 PM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: Off topic, but has anyone else noticed that all three of Quicko's closing quotes are by, or about Raptor? :) Which I link, IMHO, to Kwicko's low self esteem.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:46 PM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: The one that always makes me shake my head is Hero...his posts of people agreeing with him or praising him are all dated and from the past, which actually makes it look like those are the ONLY such instances, and that he's desperate to show SOMEONE agreed with him SOMEWHERE along the line. I don't think that's what he intends it to indicate, tho'. ;o)
Quote:I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision. - "Hero", RWED, Monday, March 03, 2008 8:06 AM
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Actually, it's a snark at Rappy and "Hero" and their habit of taking quotes from others and using them, completely out of context, as their own signature.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Or were you trying to say Rappy and "Hero" have low self-esteem?
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Actually, it's a snark at Rappy and "Hero" and their habit of taking quotes from others and using them, completely out of context, as their own signature. Actually, the practice was started by Signy and/or Rue if I am not mistaken. And it has, much to my dismay, continued to flourish. It is nothing more than childish marginalization no matter how you might spin it. Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Or were you trying to say Rappy and "Hero" have low self-esteem? I thought I made it quite clear who I postulated had low self esteem. Please refrain from your usual diversionary debate tactics.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So if I satirize someone's sig style, that's evidence that *I* have self-esteem issues.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And speaking of marginalizing, aren't you the guy who once said that the only reason you were arguing with me at all was because I "rubbed you the wrong way"? I guess it's different when you do it.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Not in this thread, but in general you've been in favor of such laws. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51324
Quote: Did I? Am I really applying "we need to regulate this" to guns?
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: "Y'know, I have a gun, and there's a bank on the corner. Clearly all guns should be outlawed, because robbery is just so easy." I'd think "outlaw" would fall under the meaning of "regulate". So looks kind'a like it.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Ah. I didn't realize you can't comprehend sarcasm.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: And being caught, you start with the personal insults.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Please refrain from your usual diversionary debate tactics.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Ah. I didn't realize you can't comprehend sarcasm. Mike, I consider everything you post to be sarcasm. However, you did apply "we need to regulate" to guns, whether sarcasticly or not. And being caught, you start with the personal insults. Think I've seen this movie before.
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