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Yesterday, “The Amateur” author Edward Klein spoke on the Sean Hannity show and revealed that Obama’s former Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright told him that he “made it comfortable” for Obama to accept Christianity without having renounce his “Islamic background,” which Klein said he has on tape.

“Obama was steeped in Islam but knew nothing about Christianity,” Klein says.

Author Edward Klein, a contributing editor to Vanity Fair, former foreign editor of Newsweek, and former editor-in-chief of the New York Times Magazine, wrote “The Amateur”, a prose on one of the most secretive White Houses in history. In his book, he mentions the name of a close ally of President Barack Obama that allegedly offered a $150,000 bribe to Rev. Jeremiah Wright to be quiet until after the 2008 election.

http://www.examiner.com/article/edward-klein-obama-was-steeped-islam-b
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm pretty sure if he "accepted Christianity" more than 20 years ago, he's not a Muslim. Pretty sure that's how it works. You're kinda supposed to choose, one or the other, because they tend to be mutually exclusive religions, both claiming to be the only REAL one.

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But I have to ask: as an avowed atheist, do you really care which non-existent invisible sky buddy he believes in, or believed in as a child? Is one less ridiculous than another? What about Romney and the planet Kolob? Why are you so quick to let his wacky-ass beliefs off the hook?

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
She has been unable to successfully explain how she can be an Atheist and believe in a nature life force at the same time, but that's how she believes even though I don't understand it.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
another sweet baby jesus response from me.

ENOUGH OF THE FUCKING "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM/ JEW/GAY/ FOREIGN" crap

If you don't like his policies or who he is or what religion he is or what colour he is, exercise your democratic right and vote him out in a few months.

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The phraseology of the article put up to start this thread is enough to destroy its credibility out the door: the most secretive White House in history?

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Ya gotta ask yourself, as to why a retired Rev, a 'friend' of Obama's for 20 years, would come out NOW ,and start trashing him, after all this time.

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Ya gotta ask yourself, as to why a retired Rev, a 'friend' of Obama's for 20 years, would come out NOW ,and start trashing him, after all this time.

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So you admit there really is something to the Mitt Romney/Bully charges, right? After all, why would all these people just NOW come out and start trashing him, if they really didn't have something?

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Ya gotta ask yourself, as to why a retired Rev, a 'friend' of Obama's for 20 years, would come out NOW ,and start trashing him, after all this time.

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So you admit there really is something to the Mitt Romney/Bully charges, right?

After all, why would all these people just NOW come out and start trashing him, if they really didn't have something?

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Originally posted by Niki2:

It's all bullshit anyway;

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Okay. Even if Obama were Muslim, I should care why?

There's plenty other reasons to not like the guy without bringing religion into it. I'd say stick to that.

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Ya gotta ask yourself, as to why a retired Rev, a 'friend' of Obama's for 20 years, would come out NOW ,and start trashing him, after all this time.

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So you admit there really is something to the Mitt Romney/Bully charges, right?

After all, why would all these people just NOW come out and start trashing him, if they really didn't have something?

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Huh?

I never said that, it has no connection to this story... How does your brain even come up w/ such nonsense?

If you can't stick to the topic, why bother posting a reply at all?

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Okay. Even if Obama were Muslim, I should care why?

There's plenty other reasons to not like the guy without bringing religion into it. I'd say stick to that.

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Ya gotta ask yourself, as to why a retired Rev, a 'friend' of Obama's for 20 years, would come out NOW ,and start trashing him, after all this time.

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So you admit there really is something to the Mitt Romney/Bully charges, right?

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Huh?

I never said that, it has no connection to this story... How does your brain even come up w/ such nonsense?

If you can't stick to the topic, why bother posting a reply at all?

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The "topic" I'm sticking to is the idea of someone from a candidate's past coming forward with information that the campaign might find embarrassing. YOU brought that topic to the fore with this thread, so I asked if maybe a similar theme might be found in Romney's "bully" issues.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Captain irony strikes again!

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Ya gotta ask yourself, as to why a retired Rev, a 'friend' of Obama's for 20 years, would come out NOW ,and start trashing him, after all this time.

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So you admit there really is something to the Mitt Romney/Bully charges, right?

After all, why would all these people just NOW come out and start trashing him, if they really didn't have something?

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Huh?

I never said that, it has no connection to this story... How does your brain even come up w/ such nonsense?

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The "topic" I'm sticking to is the idea of someone from a candidate's past coming forward with information that the campaign might find embarrassing. YOU brought that topic to the fore with this thread, so I asked if maybe a similar theme might be found in Romney's "bully" issues.

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You're ignoring the issue, and introducing a complete red herring. Why won't you address this issue, here ?

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
TThanks to Niki et all for the explanations of Lifeforce, I really do want to understand how people believe and what they believe in. So where does the power from Lifeforce come from? If everything evolves out of nothing, or space junk and chemicals, where does the supernatural element come from? Its interesting to learn about others' views on the world.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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Okay. Even if Obama were Muslim, I should care why?

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So where does the power from Lifeforce come from?

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Ah, the tried and true "I know you are, what am I defense."

Truely the mark of a mind that didn't get the joke in the first place. Well done, Wilbur.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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killin' Injuns 'cause they stole America from white people(!)

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I would posit that most people's daily interactions with 'religious people' are pretty much the same.

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One of the creepiest things about Islam to me, f'rinstance, is that their holiest individual was given to beheading people. Hence, if you want to aspire to be like the Prophet then beheading is AOK on that score. I think that's effed up.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hey Kwicko,

Your attitude toward religion reminds me an awful lot of the Catholic attitude toward sin: sin is sin, whether we're talking about pedophilia or taking the Lord's name in vain, it's all the same, condemned by God, etc. I don't see how you can say that all religion is equally wrong when different religions uphold very different ideals and advocate different behavior.

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One of the creepiest things about Islam to me, f'rinstance, is that their holiest individual was given to beheading people.

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Hence, if you want to aspire to be like the Prophet then beheading is AOK on that score. I think that's effed up. Jesus, on the other hand, preached nonviolence and aside from busting up a few tables, he absolutely walked that talk. And we all know the god of the Old Testament was a brutal, unforgiving SOB. So, given a choice between a Muslim, a New Testament Christian and a Fundy, I'd have to say I'll go with the mere Christian every time.

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Then here comes Mormonism, an entirely arbitrary parasite on Christianity invented in the last century by a guy who wanted to justify whatever he was into--screwing around on his wife, racism, killin' Injuns 'cause they stole America from white people(!)--and I'm even more uneasy than with the more tried and true belief systems.

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How 'bout this: would you be comfortable with a President who was a Scientologist?

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Yes, that's disturbing. Almost as disturbing as believing in a deity that would wipe entire cities off the map for "sin", or condemn people to eternal torment for their actions during their short lifetime - or in the case of some, damn them to hell for not being "born again."

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I could never follow any religion that espoused such hogwash, and I find it bizarre that others can, and gleefully do, and then they rationalize it all away, just like they rationalize away their own bad behavior which under their very own beliefs should damn them to eternal torment.

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But from a purely realistic standpoint, isn't EVERY branch of Christianity "an entirely arbitrary parasite" that grew out of the host religion? Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Catholics, Branch Davidians... all grew from a common root - the same common root as Judaism and Islam.

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So yes, I find it more than a bit comical when anyone tries to tell me that all the others are horseshit and wrong, and THEIR religion is "the one true" religion.

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Anthony, for cryin' out loud I never said "Muslims believe in 'habitual beheading.'"

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Do you think I'm being hysterical?

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And your list of what "religious" people do is about as convincing as Wulfenstar's rants about what "black" people do. It's pure bigotry, however born out by personal experience. Particularly when "religion" encompasses EVERYTHING other than atheism to the atheist in these arguments.

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And Kwicko, if you've never met a Christian who doesn't believe in the Old Testament, you need to get out more.

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