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Is skipping commercials Illegal?

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
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Friday, May 25, 2012 1:24 PM

ANTHONYT

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/25/tech/gaming-gadgets/dish-tv-skip-ads/ind
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Hello,

I was surprised to see that it was possible to sue for copyright infringement because commercials were skipped. Can it be so?

--Anthony


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Friday, May 25, 2012 2:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


LOL.... copyright laws WAY out of hand here.....

Dish only lets you do it for 24 hours anyway, after that, you have to watch them.

The lawsuit is bunk though, although I fear that in this government it will pass. To me it's the same as buying a good book, but being told that you have to buy Cheetos, Summer's Eve and Trojan Condoms before it can be opened.



Until they shut the Bay down, I haven't seen a commercial in about 4 years aside from at Superbowl parties.

Really.... being the minimalist I am, it's not as if any of those commercials were going to persuade me to buy a bunch of shit I don't need anyways. What a waste of money. No wonder why things cost so much today.

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Friday, May 25, 2012 3:09 PM

BYTEMITE


Nowadays advertising is outdated anyway. They've tried to monetize it and make it required, especially on the internet where advertising can pay for website operation, but it's so annoying that people FIND ways to skip it and they can't enforce it. So they get more desperate, and put nasty script malware hidden in it to try to exploit the few people who don't block, which only encourages more people to block.

But ultimately, it's unlikely that advertising really increases sales anymore, the ads aren't actually made by the companies so it costs them money for a not guaranteed pay off from the customers. Which suggests that eventually the only thing advertising is currently and going to be used for ISN'T to sell a message, but rather to monitor and deliver a message or malicious security undermining packages. They might even be vectors for subliminal messaging and control. Someone is continuing to push for advertising and spreading misinformation to these companies that it's worth it to advertise when all of us can see that obviously that's flawed. The point of advertising therefore appears to have evolved into something else.

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Friday, May 25, 2012 3:23 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I think some advertising is effective, but I think that in the modern age the most effective advertising is the kind that customers actively seek out, and/or is closely tied to a subject they are actively seeking out. People DO actually want to know about certain products and services and they DO search for them sometimes. I am not upset about seeing gun advertisements in a gun magazine, and will often observe them with interest. I remember working with women who enjoyed perusing cosmetic or fashion advertisements in women's magazines.

I believe highly targeted advertising in places where people WANT to see the advertising is the future of advertising. Not pushing ads down people's throats against their will.

--Anthony


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Friday, May 25, 2012 4:57 PM

KWICKO

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Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I think some advertising is effective, but I think that in the modern age the most effective advertising is the kind that customers actively seek out, and/or is closely tied to a subject they are actively seeking out. People DO actually want to know about certain products and services and they DO search for them sometimes. I am not upset about seeing gun advertisements in a gun magazine, and will often observe them with interest. I remember working with women who enjoyed perusing cosmetic or fashion advertisements in women's magazines.

I believe highly targeted advertising in places where people WANT to see the advertising is the future of advertising. Not pushing ads down people's throats against their will.

--Anthony





Dang - you beat me to it.

Opt-in is the future of advertising. QR codes and clickable links and the like.





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Friday, May 25, 2012 5:17 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Anthony & Kwicko said it. Google Adwords work because they are placed based on what someone is searching for.
Searching for "Stubby+rifle" will show an ad for Trader Sam's Mare's Legs. No question there's plenty of room for questionable privacy and tracking issues with anything you click on.
QR Codes are very cool, but the US is sadly slow in adopting to using them imho. Whatever the web tech, with the money at stake if ads don't work you won't keep seeing them (unless you stumble on a dead site).

As for the article - I'm surprised Dish is being this aggressive. I think it points to how Directv must be killing them making them a bit desperate. Why else would you piss off you primary content providers?

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Friday, May 25, 2012 5:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


In the mean time, I'll continue to pay striclty for bare bones cable internet, and downolad season's of shows, sans commercials, when I want to view them


It's really F-ing silly when my 83 year old grandmother is asking me if I saw "this commercial" and I tell her that I've evolved be3yond watching commercials.... lol

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Friday, May 25, 2012 6:11 PM

BYTEMITE


That's true, but think about it - when people start switching to search engines for their consumer needs and have advertising tailored for them by their browsing history what does that suggest?

It's all being tracked. No matter what you do, you're playing into someone's hands.

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Friday, May 25, 2012 6:20 PM

OONJERAH


Is skipping commercials Illegal?

If so, doesn't it represent a brilliant legal breakthrough?

Shouldn't you be asking Hero this?


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Saturday, May 26, 2012 3:19 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
That's true, but think about it - when people start switching to search engines for their consumer needs and have advertising tailored for them by their browsing history what does that suggest?

It's all being tracked. No matter what you do, you're playing into someone's hands.



Totally....

Maybe a ton of hits on TPB for Firefly will tell those lazy asses at Fox to get up and make a new season.....

My bro tells me that Netflix bought the rights to Arrested Development, and after all of these years we're going to have another season finally!!!!!

The saddest thing about that is that AD always knew they were on the chopping block and I thought their ending was completely satisfactory.

Can't say the same for Sara Conner Chronicles which was left with a "to-be-continued" BEST EVER episode which was never continued.

Seriously.....

Fuck Fox....

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Monday, May 28, 2012 8:46 AM

RIONAEIRE

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The only commercials that have an effect on me are food commercials, I'm very food oriented, so seeing yummy looking foods makes me want some, very occasionally we'll go to a restaurant to try something we saw on TV, that's as far as adverts go with me, food.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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Monday, May 28, 2012 9:36 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Nowadays advertising is outdated anyway. They've tried to monetize it and make it required, especially on the internet where advertising can pay for website operation, but it's so annoying that people FIND ways to skip it and they can't enforce it. So they get more desperate, and put nasty script malware hidden in it to try to exploit the few people who don't block, which only encourages more people to block.


Damn Right.



I'd love to chain some of these yahoos to a chair and force them to stare at that for a couple HOURS...
Especially them that whine and whinge about ad-blocking.

-Frem

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