After Saying ‘Vagina,’ a Woman Legislator is Banned From Speaking on House Floor by Niki2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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What you did was insult me by proxy, through the logical implications of your statements

I insulted you BY PROXY? Oh, man, this is getting entirely too insane; now you're claiming I insulted someone I wasn't even thinking about, your interpreting my intentions which weren't even my intentions, and you're completely refusing to even acknowledge that I DID NOT CALL YOU CHILDISH!!

You've gone off the deep end, lady. If you don't think accusing someone of something they didn't even do isn't an insult...wow. There are no words.

This is just entirely too crazy, I'm outta here.

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Friday, June 22, 2012 9:24 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Like if someone were to try to bomb a pro-life rally is retaliation for pro-lifers bombing abortion clinics, that would be bad, even if by destroying the opposition to pro-choice women could secure necessary rights.

Hello,

I'm not sure this is an apt comparison. There are other (better) paths to securing necessary rights than by bombing people. However, there is no way to subtract abortion rights without violating necessary rights. The two acts are thus not comparable.

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Wasn't what I was saying. I was saying that abortion is a separate issue from a congresswoman getting censored and the bad behaviour I saw exhibited on either side of that particular incident.

I agree that the issues can be separated. However, in separating them I do not find any impact to the main arguments at hand. Meanwhile, it is possible to logically connect certain issues, such as the stripping away of women's rights in the form of dictating control over their bodies, while simultaneously stripping away women's rights by silencing a representative of those rights. On the other hand, I continue to agree with you that the mocking article used a lot of unnecessary, demeaning, and hostile language to make its point.

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I don't really expect anyone else to embrace it.

I already have. I will cease arguing that you should feel offended. And I will allow others to exercise their right to be offended.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Friday, June 22, 2012 9:28 AM

Niki: I will accept that I insulted you. The insult tally is now five to one.

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Friday, June 22, 2012 9:33 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

My gawd, woman, get a grip! You are apparently saying I've insulted you five times, you've insulted me once. Where you get that I have no idea, and I just came back here to see if Anthony was making any headway--if you think I've insulted you five times, let's talk about it in private, because I have no idea what you're talking about, and the idea that you've kept track of what YOU'VE seen as insults blows my mind.

Really, enough already. If you want to harbor some kind of grudge, be my guest, but I think it's really over the top to count insults (which might not even have BEEN insults, given this example) on an internet forum. I think you need to take a step back. Or not.

No apology forthcoming either, I see, for accusing me of something which wasn't true. Hoo-kay, I get it. You have some kind of grudge about me, apparently have for a long time, so false accusations on your part require no apology. That's fine, I didn't expect otherwise.

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Friday, June 22, 2012 9:35 AM

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I'm not sure this is an apt comparison. There are other (better) paths to securing necessary rights than by bombing people. However, there is no way to subtract abortion rights without violating necessary rights. The two acts are thus not comparable.

Comparing...

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Given that this is your conclusion, then even if you do not see abortion rights as 'good' you would certainly see something that contravenes Necessary rights as 'bad.' Is this not so?

I think I see where I misunderstood. When you said contravene you meant "subtract," and I thought you meant "oppose."

Yes, I would agree that subtracting rights in order to prevent people from having necessary rights, or subtracting rights in general, is bad.

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I already have. I will cease arguing that you should feel offended. And I will allow others to exercise their right to be offended.

That seems fair.

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Friday, June 22, 2012 9:40 AM

Now you are insulting me by accusing me of something that is not true. You and I cleared the air and I've been pretty okay with you since then. This argument here is a new friction unrelated to the past. Unless you have something specific to complain about my recent behaviour towards you outside this thread?

The problem is, even if an insult is accidental, it is still an insult. However, you insulted me intentionally a few times after that. I'm not sure how calling someone passive aggressive or insane in this context does not constitute a direct insult.

But I'm starting to see that I might not be able to hold you accountable for what you say in an argument. So, I think the next time I'm insulted, I may just not react, and I think that will be a good solution for everyone.

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Friday, June 22, 2012 12:06 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I never called you insane.

Hold people accountable for what they ACTUALLY do or say, not what you might perceive. Or talk to them about it, don't just come out swinging.

Beyond that, I'll talk to you privately. This is past ridiculous.

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:14 PM

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I actually kinda hear you here Jack, I know a lot of guys who dig the bad girls too. The ones who look at Faith from buffy and thing Hells yeah. I can get the fear of commitment when it comes to girls like that.

As someone who sees romance, love, and marriage in a very negative light, you won't have me saying you're a bad guy for seeing it that way too. Frankly, I think you're being kinda smart here, considering the type you're into - especially because I get the sense that most of the women who are like that don't really want marriage or domesticity either. You're both reducing the hurt you take and the hurt you dish out by being cautious.

Thanks Byte!

What makes me really feel silly is that i thought that there would be a billion posts against me in one way or another and I've avoided this thread since I posted it....

I've never watched Buffy, so i don't know the particular reference, but I've always been attracted to evil women, most often those who had hypnotic nature, since I was a kid.

I'm guessing that's because I figured out how to "get off" years before high school... many years before high school.... more than I should have.

I raped myself.

I may have been the first "modern media casualty" of that phenomonon....

To further extrapolate off of that, any fantasies I had of extreme bliss kissing a beautiful cheerleader in HS were highly.....

let

downs.....

Looking back at it, no 8 year old should be able to give themselves their first orgasm before they even know what the

word means.

Imagine how silly it was to spell "erexion" in 6th grade "sex ed", after you've been cumming on your own 4 years before that every morning before school?

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:59 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

Jack, two quick things,

A) It's impossible for you to rape yourself.

B) Masturbation during childhood is quite normal; even Focus on the Family (a dubious source for sex ed info IMO) acknowledges that.

P.S. ??????

if the grass is greener on the other side, it's only because I'm not attending mine

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:00 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

Hi Jack, maybe your dominant woman is out there and she could play at being evil when you need her to, for you guys together.

As for masterbating, the secret truth is that some kids just figure it out young, they don't usually understand it, they just know it feels good.

I've decided there's nothing wrong with being passive agressive, since everyone says I am what's the point in being bothered about it.

Word from Frem, he's alive and very very busy right now with various and sundry affairs in his life, so he is okay.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 4:51 AM

He is enduring. Been up to his neck in this very business we've been discussing it sounds like, bashing heads and taking names etc.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 4:59 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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As for masterbating, the secret truth is that some kids just figure it out young, they don't usually understand it, they just know it feels good.

Precisely what happened to me. I was...let's see...seven or eight, because we were still living in San Mateo. Mom came in and caught me...excuse the crudeness..."dry humping"...and went berserk. She never told me what it was, only that it was horrible, dirty and made her angry with me. Since it felt good and made her angry (a double plus!), I went right on...just being sure I didn't get caught!

I think that's the story for a lot of kids...our bodies know what they want and find a way to get it, even if we don't know what the hell it's about. Why shouldn't an 8-year-old do it, I wonder? In my opinion, that's the best time; before we know all the taboos and puritanical condemnation.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 7:59 AM

Beir bua agus beannacht

If parents tell ya not to you just go on doing it because hey it feels great, so there's no point in telling them not to. Just tell em its a by yourself activity and leave it at that.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 8:20 AM

I knew what it was, I even hit puberty really young, but never had any interest. I was actually annoyed by how everyone seemed all obsessed about it. As a six year old, I would go off on rants about how the fashion industry was over-sexualized and how make-up mimics the response (dark eyes, blush, red lips), and how dresses were just for easy access, and how high heels made women basically present their backsides.

I think psychiatrists might have been disturbed how much I knew, and even more disturbed when I laughed in their faces for trying to manipulate me and implant memories about some fake sob story about being sexually abused. Fools.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 9:41 AM

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I knew what it was, I even hit puberty really young, but never had any interest. I was actually annoyed by how everyone seemed all obsessed about it. As a six year old, I would go off on rants about how the fashion industry was over-sexualized and how make-up mimics the response (dark eyes, blush, red lips), and how dresses were just for easy access, and how high heels made women basically present their backsides.

I think psychiatrists might have been disturbed how much I knew, and even more disturbed when I laughed in their faces for trying to manipulate me and implant memories about some fake sob story about being sexually abused. Fools.

Haha Byte...

Part of me though.... the funny thing was.... must have known what I was doing at around 7 or 8 years old. Makes me wonder how much "animal" and instinctual we really are.

I remember eating at Denny's one Sunday morning with my mom and brothers as we did on weekends we weren't with dad after grocery shopping and with my mom's friend Karen. I said out loud for no reason, "I know how babies are made", and Karen laughed. Then I said "a boy sticks his thing in a girls hole", to which she burst out laughing.

Don't ask me how I knew this. As far as I know, I had never had any outside influences about any of that stuff. I was the oldest, not only in my family, but of all of my cousins. I actually "obeyed" my parents and watched Nick over MTV (Which was really hard at the time because I did see Madonna's Material Girl once when I was young and that memory was permanently imbedded in my spank-bank).

Hey Riona.... Maybe there is "that" girl out there. But how would one even go about searching that type of woman out? In real life, I've dated mostly vanilla-as-they-come girls... The few that were "interesting" to me were either "cutters" or on a CVS stockpile of medication.

I got my own issues, I don't need that.... I'm not looking for crazy. I'm looking for seriously empowered. I'm not looking for somebody who does "this" because they have daddy issues. I'm looking for a Woman who..... for lack of any better analogy, is the Cezar Milan "Dog Whisperer" of male domination. A leader of the pack type.

I can google something like that and find plenty of beautiful women who would be more than happy to take my desires and turn them against me for a night, but I'm not looking for a glorified prostitution situation either.

As sad as it is, the best and worst night of my life was 6 hours spent with an online hypno-domme who will remain nameless. I'm also not going to say how much that night with her cost me, but let's just say that I was required by my credit card company to call up and have an embarassing conversation saying that the charges were legitimate. Until today, I've only ever told one person about what I did that night.

It was after that night that I cut up all of my credit cards and went without credit for over 4 years. It was inconvenient at times, but since my bro lived with me I could always pay him cash for any online orders I needed.

In moments of weakness, I've tried to contact her, but her replies are always tagged with a $50.00 pricetag. At first they were only $10.00, but they've gone up. I guess she is just annoyed with me. At least she must remember me though, huh?

I'm only happy that, like weed, after my self-imposed ban on the practice I can resist the temptation when it "comes down to it".

So.... How do I find, "that" girl?

I'm not making much, but (without rehashing my "status"), I'm self sufficient... and even on the precipice of being "wealthy" if I ever find another good job.

I'm still young, and with the proper motivation I could lose 15-20lbs and even be pretty damn attractive.

How do I find the woman who will allow me to let go and enjoy the surrender without worrying about waking up in the morning with nothing? The woman who will realize that even though she's in control that I've got a lot to offer her as well and rather than destroy me because she could when I'm vulnerable, she'd just hang that over my head as an incentive because she actually loves me too?

That seems too much like having cake and eating too....

I don't need a VS model or a pop-star. Sure, she has to be attractive, but one of the most attractive women I knew when I was a late-teen was a girl that came to my store and had me carry her things to her car. She was, to many, way to heavy to be wearing the tiny belly button showing "top" (I don't know what girls would call it), and she gave me her number and we went on a few dates even though I had already been dating a cheerleader for 8 months before, and I never even kissed her because of my Jimmney Cricket always screaming at me. She easily had 75lbs on my skinny 125lb frame, but I wanted her so bad. By the time I broke up with my gf, she had already been dating somebody else....

She might have been as F-d up as any girl I've ever dated, but she didn't carry herself that way. She knew what she wanted, and she wanted to have fun.

That's my biggest regret in life so far.... Not finding out how awesome sex with her and possibly a life with her could have been if I hadn't been so "loyal" to my now married ex-gf.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:42 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

A Jack a chara,

Well ... I'm sort of dominant, not that we're going anywhere with that, but I want a man who likes that and whom I can please by being myself. I'm sure there are more dominant women out there who would suit you and what you're looking for. They'd have to be more dominant than I though because I'm not exactly what you describe and crave, I just like things my way right when I want them, I think you're looking for more than that. How do you meet a woman like that? Well I know they're out there. Maybe online dating? You could make an ad stating what you're looking for and women can respond if you're what they want in a man. That's probably the best way to find something specific like that.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:03 AM

Sort'a Dominant Riona?

Do tell....

Really... who knows what I want and don't want? I sure don't... According to Niki and Kwick I'm the biggest mindless jackass who ever posted in the RWED. As much as I post here compulsively today, something might change in my life tomorrow and I may not post here for years. Surely, if I gave up drinking, I wouldn't have any time to post here at all. I'd be out jogging and losing that beer fat again in my free time instead.

I've got a dominant streak in me too. I guess you could really call me a "switch". I find being in control to be very satisfying too, but the problem is that whenever I've been the one in control it's with a girl who wasn't even aware of the whole D/S stuff and she was an easy mark. Being unable to "find" a dominant female in real life is practically why I've stopped dating because of the accrued guilt I've endured from hurting one girl after another who never had any idea how to take hold of the reins of our relationship when I was ready to hand them over. Some had even tried contacting my family members after i broke up with them, pouring their hearts out to them about me, which was even more of a repellant when I was in the submissive frame of mind.

I want a freaky-deaky girl. One that is big into hypnosis and Tantric sex. I hypnotized several ex-girlfriends and it was a ton of fun. Back when I was 20, I was dating a 17 year old. She called me up crying one day, sitting on her bed with her best friend. Her younger brother was a trouble maker and there was a big fight in the family over something he'd done. Over the phone, using a trigger from before, I put her under and made her calm and breathe and told her when I woke her up she'd be happy again and realize that being sad wouldn't help any of her brother's problems. Not 5 seconds after that happened her friend grabbed the phone and said "are you an angel?"

Wish I could have told her "yes, I am an angel".....

But..... no......

She was the angel, and I was the devil in disguise. She was an innocent. She had no defenses against me and what "absolute power" could do to a person.

Even as a dominant, I need somebody to keep me in check. I'm seriously glad that when I started getting out of hand she had a strong support group around her, family and friends, to help her break it off and not come back. I only tried to call her once about 6 months later and her mom said she wasn't home. I hear she's married now with 2 kids. I hope she's happy.

If she came from a broken, drug addled home, this many years later she'd be nothing more than a living sex-doll that I'd probably let any of my friends take a roll with. I'm so glad for her that whatever conversations took place between her and her family and friends gave her a different life.

I just hope she chose right and isn't one of the 50% or more who get a divorce like both of our parents did. She'd probably be better with me and no kids if that happens. But at least now she has her own choice about it.

Maybe my biggest reason for desiring a dominant woman to control me is to find a way to permanently stop doing what I can do so well to an uninitiated women once a relationship is established? I've been getting better at suggestion and that scares me.

I only saw about the first 10 minutes of the horrible sequel to Silence of the Lambs and shut it off because it was just so horrible. (Once you watch it, you can't unwatch it).....

As abhorrent as it was, I didn't understand at the time about the broken mirror and the cutting of one's own face, but I do now. Hypnotic manipulation of the subconscious would never allow you to make somebody do something against their core beliefs..... but how long does it take to completely suggest they change their core beliefs over time?

I think, with your help, I've answered my own question here.....

I need to find a POWERFUL Dominant Woman out there to tame me before my own mental "gifts" turn me into a full blown "Magneto".

Thanks for the chat Riona, really....

I never talk to ANYONE about this stuff, besides my own mind....

I just live on a plane that nobody else seems to understand when it comes to this stuff. It was like being 8 and having nobody to talk to about WTF happened that first time I orgasmed at my own hand. No older brothers, no older cousins.... split parents.... nobody...

The most important sexual organ is the brain.....

I have yet to make somebody cum without sex or touching themselves, nor has anyone done that to me, but both are goals in my life.

It's totally possible... a mental-to-physical orgasm.

Hehe... how is "marriage" even possible? Unless the "weaker" partner is totally "cuckolded", they'll always look for something different. And even when that happens, the "owner" in the relationship will have whatever he/she desires outside of the relationship.

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A Jack a chara,

Well ... I'm sort of dominant, not that we're going anywhere with that, but I want a man who likes that and whom I can please by being myself. I'm sure there are more dominant women out there who would suit you and what you're looking for. They'd have to be more dominant than I though because I'm not exactly what you describe and crave, I just like things my way right when I want them, I think you're looking for more than that. How do you meet a woman like that? Well I know they're out there. Maybe online dating? You could make an ad stating what you're looking for and women can respond if you're what they want in a man. That's probably the best way to find something specific like that.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Posted by Jack:

Really... who knows what I want and don't want? I sure don't... According to Niki and Kwick I'm the biggest mindless jackass who ever posted in the RWED. As much as I post here compulsively today, something might change in my life tomorrow and I may not post here for years. Surely, if I gave up drinking, I wouldn't have any time to post here at all. I'd be out jogging and losing that beer fat again in my free time instead.

Not *THE* biggest. *ONE OF* the biggest. There's a subtle but important difference there, although I realize facts and other details are unimportant to you.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:29 AM

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Not *THE* biggest. *ONE OF* the biggest. There's a subtle but important difference there, although I realize facts and other details are unimportant to you.

Please Kwick, extrapolate on that....

As it is, it makes no sense....

Watch your gf/wife around me

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:24 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Not *THE* biggest. *ONE OF* the biggest. There's a subtle but important difference there, although I realize facts and other details are unimportant to you.

Please Kwick, extrapolate on that....

As it is, it makes no sense....

It's a response to your statement, "According to Niki and Kwick I'm the biggest mindless jackass who ever posted in the RWED."

Do you still not get it? Do I need to diagram it in crayon for you?

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Watch your gf/wife around me

Ummmm... why, exactly? I don't think you represent any kind of threat to me, or to her.

Did you start drinking extra-early today, Jack?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:38 AM

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Back when I was 20, I was dating a 17 year old.

Hoo boy. You just started a firestorm Jack.

But aside from the reaction you're going to get... Should you really be admitting to that on the internet? What's the age of consent in your area? This kind of thing can get you arrested man.

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I just hope she chose right and isn't one of the 50% or more who get a divorce like both of our parents did. She'd probably be better with me and no kids if that happens. But at least now she has her own choice about it.

...Better without a divorce... as a living sex toy? I don't know that it would be better for the kids that they're alive as opposed to non-existent.

Jack, I don't really know you, but I'm not sure you're actually submissive. I've known submissives. You've had these great one-night stands with women you consider dominant, but I gotta ask you to be honest, who was really dominant in those situations? One time you were paying a woman to say things to you.

And all the other times you talk about having relationships, it's been with girls who, whether hypnotism is real or not, you've pretty much all out said you've dominated them then dropped them when they became boring. That's not submissive behaviour, like at all.

What you want is to play a game I think. You like the illusion of giving that control to someone, but you're the one who's actually in control. You want them to do stuff for you, not vice versa, but you tell yourself it's hot when a girl asks you to carry her stuff for her because then you get to be the masculine protector male. You dig the traditional gender roles. You like the BDSM because it's kinky, and it reinforces the illusion, and you can go on thinking you're a submissive and that's why your relationships with the girls you've mentioned haven't worked out.

And you kinda actually don't WANT those relationships to work out, because otherwise you wouldn't be seeking out companionship against your type, or talking about how all the women you REALLY like are just scary and they'll steal all your money and your house from you. What you're doing is making excuses, what you're talking about is relationship self-sabotage no matter how you look at it.

There's nothing wrong with that, but you really ought to think about that. I don't think you can find someone until you've figured yourself out.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:48 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

What Mike said. Can't hold a candle to the real pros, but absolutely more self-centered than most. Definitely "one of" the biggest...but given long, rambling posts about "me, me, me" and trashing others cheerfully, in the top five.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:21 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

I didn't understand part of what you said. And part of what you said kind of scared me. But it sounds like you found it beneficial to write it all out so ... I guess that's good?

I'm not a "dom", but I do tend to be more dominant, just more subtilly. I like things to go my way and to go how I want them to go. I need to feel like things will be okay and the best way to do that, for me to feel safe and fulfilled, is to make sure that things go smooth in a way I can handle them. I know what I need. And I know what I want. I want a guy who understands this and is fine with it and will act accordingly and do things for me when I need him to. I'm not into any real dom stuff though, ... at least I don't think I am. And I'm definitely not into the BDSM thing, that doesn't appeal to me, it kind of worries me actually because I want everyone to be safe and whole. But some people really like that sort of thing so its up to them.

I'm dominant, but I want a guy who has his own friends and interests, I want us to have some interests in common, but we don't have to like all the same things, he should have some hobbies and interests of his own and he should go do stuff with his friends a lot. He should have a best friend of his own, since I'm not into having your mate take the best friend title, thus taking it away from platonic best friends, which I think are intensely important. He's not taking Jennifer and Mary's spots in my life and I would look down on him if he wanted me to fill that spot in his life instead of having some close guy friends to fill that role for him.

I want a man that I can submit to by being kind of dominant, as in a guy who kind of likes a woman who knows what she wants and is able to say so.

I think Byte might be on to something, I think you're all over the board. I think you're attracted to a dominatrix, but what you really want is different. Sometimes what someone is attracted to in the short term isn't what they would want in the longterm.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:48 PM

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it kind of worries me actually because I want everyone to be safe and whole.

In a genuine BDSM relationship, everyone is actually supposed to be completely safe at all times. If they're not, it's abuse, not BDSM. BDSM is about the illusion.

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I would look down on him if he wanted me to fill that spot in his life instead of having some close guy friends to fill that role for him.

That's actually arguably unhealthy and codependent. Romantic relationships should never ever subvert existing relationships, that's a big sign that something is wrong and you have a possessive clinger on your hands.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:31 PM

MAL4PREZ

Wow. Insightful call on this Bytemite. I was avoiding posts and staying of Jack's sex life, since it sounded like a lot of self-delusional BS, but you really laid down something interesting there.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:46 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Some people are sensitive, others aren't as much.
Some people are smart, others aren't quite as smart.
Some people make really loosey-goosey connections in their heads, others are more tightly-wrapped.
Some people are self-centered, others not so much.
And so on.

I see 6ix as a fairly uncomfortable set of characteristics which leave him precariously situated in this world.

6ix - what you may have is the ability to suss out other sensitives IRL, and, I suspect, a fair bit of voice or face control, or both, that allows you to influence them. That doesn't make you an all powerful force in any way. Just a person who has a strong talent or two, using them to good effect in certain situations and on certain people, and lacking perhaps other useful talents.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:58 AM

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I just hope she chose right and isn't one of the 50% or more who get a divorce like both of our parents did. She'd probably be better with me and no kids if that happens. But at least now she has her own choice about it.

...Better without a divorce... as a living sex toy? I don't know that it would be better for the kids that they're alive as opposed to non-existent.

Jack, I don't really know you, but I'm not sure you're actually submissive. I've known submissives. You've had these great one-night stands with women you consider dominant, but I gotta ask you to be honest, who was really dominant in those situations? One time you were paying a woman to say things to you.

And all the other times you talk about having relationships, it's been with girls who, whether hypnotism is real or not, you've pretty much all out said you've dominated them then dropped them when they became boring. That's not submissive behaviour, like at all.

What you want is to play a game I think. You like the illusion of giving that control to someone, but you're the one who's actually in control. You want them to do stuff for you, not vice versa, but you tell yourself it's hot when a girl asks you to carry her stuff for her because then you get to be the masculine protector male. You dig the traditional gender roles. You like the BDSM because it's kinky, and it reinforces the illusion, and you can go on thinking you're a submissive and that's why your relationships with the girls you've mentioned haven't worked out.

And you kinda actually don't WANT those relationships to work out, because otherwise you wouldn't be seeking out companionship against your type, or talking about how all the women you REALLY like are just scary and they'll steal all your money and your house from you. What you're doing is making excuses, what you're talking about is relationship self-sabotage no matter how you look at it.

There's nothing wrong with that, but you really ought to think about that. I don't think you can find someone until you've figured yourself out.

Nah Byte... It's cool. Even in uber-government Illinois, it's cool for somebody within 5 years to date a minor as long as there's consent. Her mom LOVED me, but her step-dad hated me. That was the slap on the wrist I could get for that. It also sucked not being able to bring my gf to the bars when I went out with my friends. I don't know how it happened... I saw her one night after 3 years of never seeing her. She was my younger brother's younger friend, and she and her best friend had huge crushes on me. They were both gorgeous, but it was the summer before they were sophmores and I was on my way to 1st year of community college. When they called me up to ask if I wanted to be the meat in the middle of the sandwich, even though I wasn't dating anyone at the time, it killed me to tell them that they were to young for me.

But when she was 17, She was all Woman, regardless of the textbook definition of that. She couldn't vote... I couldn't drink... It was all legal here. No worries, or I wouldn't have posted about it :)

You might be right about me though.... Janice Soprano, Tony's Sister on the Soprano's spoke about her dead lover Ralph Ciferretto and said that he liked to "Top from the Bottom". Sure, he liked doing all the things that a complete submissive would, but he was always in charge of it. That's probably how I am, although I think the right girl could liberate me completely of the reins and just take control. I really belive that's what I want in life, but how do you KNOW you're with somebody you can trust so completely that anything they do to you while in control is in both of your best interests?

There's only a small circle of people I'd trust like that today, and most of them are family and the 2 who aren't are both male, and I've known them over 20 years.

About figuring myself out, you're right on the head there too. I don't really even know myself. I know what I want "today", but I don't know what that will translate into tomorrow. I'm sure a ton of my self sabotage comes from past experiences of temporarily wrecking girls who thought this would go somewhere. To them, all of the chivalry and pampering was "new" but to me it's just a "method". When the initial spark is gone, and they don't demand anything, I.......

Well, let's just say it would be better for both of us if I was single again.

People in my neighborhood can't believe that I have a house this size with just one guy living here. I'm building my castle for myself and the right Princess. There's a lid to every pot, or so I've heard. In the mean time, life ain't so bad. I'm making my own better, and it's been a long time since I've hurt anyone emotionally.

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I didn't understand part of what you said. And part of what you said kind of scared me. But it sounds like you found it beneficial to write it all out so ... I guess that's good?

I'm not a "dom", but I do tend to be more dominant, just more subtilly. I like things to go my way and to go how I want them to go. I need to feel like things will be okay and the best way to do that, for me to feel safe and fulfilled, is to make sure that things go smooth in a way I can handle them. I know what I need. And I know what I want. I want a guy who understands this and is fine with it and will act accordingly and do things for me when I need him to. I'm not into any real dom stuff though, ... at least I don't think I am. And I'm definitely not into the BDSM thing, that doesn't appeal to me, it kind of worries me actually because I want everyone to be safe and whole. But some people really like that sort of thing so its up to them.

I'm dominant, but I want a guy who has his own friends and interests, I want us to have some interests in common, but we don't have to like all the same things, he should have some hobbies and interests of his own and he should go do stuff with his friends a lot. He should have a best friend of his own, since I'm not into having your mate take the best friend title, thus taking it away from platonic best friends, which I think are intensely important. He's not taking Jennifer and Mary's spots in my life and I would look down on him if he wanted me to fill that spot in his life instead of having some close guy friends to fill that role for him.

I want a man that I can submit to by being kind of dominant, as in a guy who kind of likes a woman who knows what she wants and is able to say so.

I think Byte might be on to something, I think you're all over the board. I think you're attracted to a dominatrix, but what you really want is different. Sometimes what someone is attracted to in the short term isn't what they would want in the longterm.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

Hey Rionna,

Your ideas about being "dom" in any sort of way echo my own ideas of just "staying ahead of the curve". 2 weeks into my new job, I'm great at it and my manager tells me so every night and says how quick I pick things up. There's a lot of "stress" at the job today because of high volume traffic and some people quitting and going on vacation. I've been able to pick up some extra hours because of it all. I'll NEVER be stressed at that job though. I do what I need to do, and after less than 2 weeks I do it better than most. I'm not a manager, I'm not paid to think about the "big picture", and I won't stress 1 second about it. It really is the "perfect" job for me until I find a "real" job.

I am my own "Domme". I have always been my own worst critic and my own worst enemy. I NEVER give myself a break, and that's probably why I come off as such a dick in the RWED because I expect that much from everyone else. Even when I was on unemployment benefits, I spent a majority of my time helping my special needs brother and navigating the foreclosure market. I wasn't equipped to help my bro in the end, but my Dad is doing awesome at that, but the housing marked I nailed.

I need a

break though..... Even if it's only for a day, I need a powerful, hypnotic woman to just take me for a ride.

In my mind, there's no need to travel 3,000 miles away for a vacation. My imagination is so vivid that anything that could be accomplished after a plane ride could be done at home even better.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:23 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Some people are sensitive, others aren't as much.
Some people are smart, others aren't quite as smart.
Some people make really loosey-goosey connections in their heads, others are more tightly-wrapped.
Some people are self-centered, others not so much.
And so on.

I see 6ix as a fairly uncomfortable set of characteristics which leave him precariously situated in this world.

6ix - what you may have is the ability to suss out other sensitives IRL, and, I suspect, a fair bit of voice or face control, or both, that allows you to influence them. That doesn't make you an all powerful force in any way. Just a person who has a strong talent or two, using them to good effect in certain situations and on certain people, and lacking perhaps other useful talents.

You're right, and you're wrong 1kiki...

In my most intimate relationships, I might as well have been my girlfriend since they were basically an extension of my will. I would not expect "her" to do whatever I wanted any less than I would expect my hand to not obey me when I was reaching for cereal in the cupboard. No wonder her step-father hated me when her mom loved me... At least somebody's "Spidey Sense" was working....

My written word, when in a non-combative context like in the RWED is gold, but I admit that I don't know my audience or play them very well here. In real life though, although nobody can fool all of the people all of the time, most people I meet would bend over backwards for me. To those who have done right by me , it's reciprocal though, because as long as it isn't hindering me in a negative way I will always do the same for them.

I'm not "all powerful" in any way, but the limits of my influence in the real world do truly scare me sometimes. If you've ever seen 30 Rock and the episode about "the bubble"..... well aside from being dumb enough to have two hooks for hands in the follow up a season later, that's where I'm at basically. Not only am I smart enough to realize it, but I feel ashamed and guilty for it. If I were born an ugly "troll" with the same brain, I'd be beggin for quarters in the streets of Chicago.

I want to use these "powers" for good....

If I can get myself into a good job, I can work a deal with my parents for partial ownership in their company and infuse enough cash for them to take off. I can give my best friend a huge loan to pay off lawyer debts at a rate that would be higher than what I'd get in a bank, but much lower than what he'd have to pay creditors.

Most Big Company CEO's in the world don't even have a college degree. I could be one of those if I didn't have that nasty conscience double-thinking every move I make.

I have no regrets.....

A CEO of The People. My People.

My goal is for everyone I am friends and family with to be as financially stable as I am and to teach them how to make their money work, rather than just mindlessly throw money at them and hope it sticks.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:43 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Uh, yeah - it's been a regular boot-up-ass-a-thon around here, not that you'd hear much of it from the sycophantically compliant media...
And as usual I advocated a far more aggressive stance, far more ruthless tactics, and as usual I was overruled and them damn fools accomplished much of nothing but painting a bullseye on themselves for convenient humilation and scorn, when they weren't being utterly ignored.

And tellya the truth I am really friggin sick of this Cassandra gig too, to tell people things long in advance, over and over, get sneered at, mocked, then after it all comes down KNOWING they will come back around once it's TOO GODDAMN LATE and beg me for advice, and then, and THEN, proceed to sneer, mock and ignore me NEXT time too.

Yanno what ?
Fuck em, and a lotta folk are currently kinda pissed off at me for laughing in their faces, slamming doors on them, hanging up on them, yadda fekkin yadda, but ask me if I care, for if they'd stood up at all when it mattered a hell of a lot more, and actually STOOD UP, instead of playing the establishments game, by the establishments rules, at the establishments table... things might not keep coming to these passes, and as such until they're willing to pay what it'll friggin cost to actually ACCOMPLISH something beyond making themselves feel better about it, they can kiss my ass.

Just so thats, ya know, understood, okay ?
Twenty plus goddamn years of being right so often it stinks, about stuff so horrible I wish I wasn't, and still nobody wants to effin hear it, and dismisses me outta hand without regard to that track record and I am wholly out of patience with that bullshit.

As for the rest of it, and this particular incident....

Screw the moral high ground - have I ever even once pretended moral superiority, or for that matter do I even HAVE the same "morality" that seems to be assumed when folks talk about it ?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality
Well... no.

I don't pretend to be "better than", just on average "smarter than".

But when it comes to women, females, whatever nomenclature you wanna apply to XX Chromo Set...

I prefer them as PEOPLE.
Friends, sisters, wives, daughters, compatriots, supporters, detractors, allies, even enemies, but above and beyond all and everything else...
PEOPLE

People with RIGHTS, you know, HUMAN rights.
Not property, not pets, not subhuman, sex toys, baby factories, servants or what have you, the whole concept is deeply offensive to me on many levels not least of which being that if the bastards of this world succeed with women minorities are next, and I been tryin to elevate youth OUT of this damn category for as long as y'all have known me.

But here's the rub - folks tend to take a damn short-sighted, bloody narrow view of these things, concentrate on one right, one race, one gender, and be damned to whatever else, of even waste their time fighting some other faction of same, case in point men hatin on women, women hatin on men, so forth, so on...
Yeah I know, a lotta women in the "womens rights" movement ain't about equality so much as revenge, and frankly I am okay with that cause revenge is a powerful motivator and despite OTHER peoples morality sayin so, I never noted that the REASONS folk do things matter so much as WHAT they do.
Still I am under no obligation myself to be their victim since *I* didn't do shit to em, and collective punishment is always an act of tyranny, and I tell em so, which ain't made me many friends with that faction but there it is, right ?

Me now, with me it's always the same view - Human rights for ALL Humans, for ALL *PEOPLE*.
And before some whiner chimes in, my standard for that starts when the cord is cut - get pissed if you like, AND that standard is not necessarily restricted to homo sapiens either, ergo when I say "People" that's a potentially broader category.

Ergo the whole men vs women thing is far less meaningful to me as one faction of humans steppin on the rights of another faction of humans and I don't much care what their excuses are.

As for personal - with me it's *always* personal, ALWAYS.

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“All witches are selfish, the Queen had said. But Tiffany’s Third Thoughts said: Then turn selfishness into a weapon! Make all things yours! Make other lives and dreams and hopes yours! Protect them! Save them! Bring them into the sheepfold! Walk the gale for them! Keep away the wolf! My dreams! My brother! My family! My land! My world! How dare you try to take these things, because they are mine!”
? Terry Pratchett, The Wee Free Men (Discworld, #30)

Which about sums it up.... MINE!
Keep yer damn hands off, keep your laws off, keep your freakin goons off!
Or ELSE!
And unwise what else could be, given that it's prettymuch any goddamn thing I can get away with, and maybe a pence or two more.

Just so ya know where I stand on it.

-Frem

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"but the limits of my influence in the real world do truly scare me sometimes."

Makes me think your mother was susceptible, and the person you got your most useful practice on, and so you grew up thinking there were no limits to your abilities. (I'm looking at you too Byte, smarter and fiercer than anyone could deal with.) Nothing is more weird than a child growing up without a sense of their own limits. Which shows in all your posts. "No wonder her step-father hated me ..." which you completely slide over in your evaluation of yourself. Not EVERYONE was an extension of your will. Not EVERYone loves you ... appreciates you ... values you.

"Not only am I smart enough to realize it, but I feel ashamed and guilty for it."

You are a small fish in a miniscule pond. Your estimation of your abilities and importance is laughable. And believe me, I am snickering.

"... and to teach them how to make their money work, rather than just mindlessly throw money at them and hope it sticks."

Would that be that fiat money you were so dead set against just a few short months ago? Am I to take it that your thought of the moment is so valuable you need to teach everyone to think like you, no matter how much you change your own mind on any topic?

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:46 PM

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(I'm looking at you too Byte, smarter and fiercer than anyone could deal with.)

I knew my limits. I wasn't even that intelligent, I was pretty average among all the kids I knew, but what I did know just made me bitter.

Oh, hey Frem! Yeah, it probably is frustrating everything you're going through. But, even if you don't get along with some of the people on your side of the issue, there's plenty of people who see you as a champion.

I mean this in the best way possible - you make a lot of us here proud Frem. Proud to know you, proud of what you can do.

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Friday, June 29, 2012 7:07 AM

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(I'm looking at you too Byte, smarter and fiercer than anyone could deal with.)

I knew my limits. I wasn't even that intelligent, I was pretty average among all the kids I knew, but what I did know just made me bitter.

Just like the rule of "insane people don't believe they're insane", I think the same thing is true about really damn smart people.

I am not a genius, although I grew up thinking I was. I just had some home-schooling in my off time that put me above the curve and allowed me to coast by on the top of the public school wave. My parents and grandparents didn't know crap about Chemestry or Trig though, so I was lost in later years with no learned studying skills...

You're probably a hell of a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for Byte. You come off that way at least, and a lot of people here think so.

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Friday, June 29, 2012 10:03 AM

Also Frem, you did have us all a little worried about you. You're so politically active that we start to wonder if something happened to you when we don't hear from you. We know you have enemies.

I imagine all the worry you suddenly got had you thinking where's all this coming from? Sorry Frem, didn't mean to bring you out of your zone. But it is still good to see you.

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Friday, June 29, 2012 2:20 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

6, you sound a bit of mess, frankly. I think it would be good for you to cut down the drinking and the porn, and start that running.

I find that in your posts, you don't seem to consider women as being entirely human, with needs and feelings of their own. You talk about them meeting your needs, your desires, but with little thought about what is happening for them. I think that can happen to men if they get too wrapped up in porn, where their fantasies are paramount and the other end of the line only exist to please you. That's not how it works in real life.

If you can't get that straight in your head, that real life women will need something from you in a relationship, that is about meeting each others needs,then you are best to avoid having them. I don't think its entirely healthy for you for that to happen, but it will be very destructive for them if you do it any other way.

I find your world view kind of souless and depressing.

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Friday, June 29, 2012 2:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I find that in your posts, you don't seem to consider women as being entirely human, with needs and feelings of their own. You talk about them meeting your needs, your desires, but with little thought about what is happening for them.

Oddly enough that particular mental aberration isn't limited to just men, although one could make a case more common to em, sure - I say this cause I am totally stealing that argument right there to throw at a girl who can't seem to grok that particular concept, rrrgghhh.

-F

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Friday, June 29, 2012 6:02 PM

Ouch.

Maybe Wendy would have more luck. 5 bucks on "Shock and Awe."

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Friday, June 29, 2012 7:25 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I find that in your posts, you don't seem to consider women as being entirely human, with needs and feelings of their own. You talk about them meeting your needs, your desires, but with little thought about what is happening for them.

Oddly enough that particular mental aberration isn't limited to just men, although one could make a case more common to em, sure - I say this cause I am totally stealing that argument right there to throw at a girl who can't seem to grok that particular concept, rrrgghhh.

-F

Too true. One of the downfalls of being a member of a highly individualistic society is the ultimate lonliness of 'it's all about me' mentality and I see that with 6. It's about his house, his career or lack of, his desires.

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:02 PM

It's a full life.... and it's an empty life.....

If it were truly full, I wouldn't have any time to post here.

If it weren't empty, I wouldn't have enough time to post here.

The RWED and the abuse I take here, seems to be my pennance for living a life more than I should be without "earning" it. I should be 2-3 kids deep in shit now and dealing with a marriage to a woman I'm luke-warm with and 2-3 kids I wish I didn't have to take care of....

Nope....

No bills.... No cares.... No desire to thrust myself into that cesspool..., no thank you....

To each their own....

Special thanks for those who think I'm a dick for it, but then again, here I am, half of Frem's age, all original working parts, a situation where any girl working here would be extra money from the first cent week to week and I still don't want that. I like to suffer just because I have the ability to make myself suffer.

No A/C in my car, and no A/C in my house for starters....

I don't deserve anything I have, and I'm my greatest critic.

No matter how much any of you hate me, I hate myself 10 times as much.

I nearly went to the hospital myself on Friday with chills that I couldn't relive with 10 lbs of blankets even thoug it was over 90 degrees in my house.

I'm doing you all a favor.

If things don't work kosher, I'll be gone in the next 20 years, well before I bleed your kids for SSI payments. If things go even better, I'll be gone in the next few years and you won't have to deal with me anymore in the RWED.

Too true. One of the downfalls of being a member of a highly individualistic society is the ultimate lonliness of 'it's all about me' mentality and I see that with 6. It's about his house, his career or lack of, his desires.

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Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:02 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Don't get me wrong, I think its a GOOD thing you've not gone down the kids route. It's not for the half hearted, and those who might begrudge the time, money and emotional and physical input required, stay well away.

But seriously, you could do with looking after yourself for YOU!! Get fit, cut down the booze and do something that is not about you, volunteer in a soup kitchen or hospital or something so you can get out of your 'its all about me' frame of mind, and I think you'll be a lot happier.

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Sunday, July 1, 2012 7:54 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

Jack, if I'm to believe Frem he's only 42.

Byte you're obscenely smart, I think it backfires on you, really smart people usually have a hard time of it in life.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2012 4:27 AM