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Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Barely enough to concern ourselves over. Really. Why make such a fuss ?


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id=%7B942967FA-52F4-4182-A901-1B
EECBF07547%7D&title=Cleric-Introduces-Egypts-New-President



Sorry Niki, page IS found. ( updated )

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:52 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Becuz the whole thing is Obama's fault! OBAMA'S FAULT!! OBAMA'S FAULT!

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:16 PM

BYTEMITE


I checked the source, all of the right wing blogs and the breitbart article appears to lead back to a single youtube channel known as "Rabbi Live", and further investigation also revealed that the man in the video that all this is coming from is not in fact Egypt's new president. For one, the new president isn't bald and has hair, though the man in the video and the new president do have similar beards.

So yeah.

But even if they were the same? Technically the leader of a faction who won an election in Egypt still does not represent all muslims in the entire region. So your sarcastic thread title is in fact accurate. Congratulations.

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Also... So what?

Should we in our imperial brilliance NOT let Egypt have elections?

Shall we overthrow the leader they've chosen? It worked out brilliantly for us when we did that in Iran, right? And Iraq. And Afghanistan.

Did anyone ever stop to consider that maybe if we weren't spending so much time and money propping up hardline military dictatorships like Mubarak's in the first place, there wouldn't be these violent anti-Western revolutions?

The people of Egypt have spoken. I get that you don't like what they said, but what are you proposing we do about it?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


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Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I checked the source, all of the right wing blogs and the breitbart article appears to lead back to a single youtube channel known as "Rabbi Live", and further investigation also revealed that the man in the video that all this is coming from is not in fact Egypt's new president. For one, the new president isn't bald and has hair, though the man in the video and the new president do have similar beards.

So yeah.

But even if they were the same? Technically the leader of a faction who won an election in Egypt still does not represent all muslims in the entire region. So your sarcastic thread title is in fact accurate. Congratulations.




Wait - you mean Breitbart might have got it wrong?! Wow. That almost never happens, except on days that end in "y"!




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:59 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

the man in the video that all this is coming from is not in fact Egypt's new president. For one, the new president isn't bald and has hair, though the man in the video and the new president do have similar beards.

So yeah.

But even if they were the same? Technically the leader of a faction who won an election in Egypt still does not represent all muslims in the entire region. So your sarcastic thread title is in fact accurate. Congratulations.



I understood the speaker to be a cleric INTRODUCING the new President. Seems it was a campaign speech, from May.

As noted : NOTE: The speaker in this clip was previously misidentified as new Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi. It is actually Egyptian cleric Safwat Higazi, introducing Morsi's campaign on May 1.

Important detail to note, but does it really change the message all that much ? This is the party which won the majority, and this is how the President gets introduced to his fellow Egyptians.

Dismiss it as you wish, but this changes nothing.

And yes Kwickie. It means nothing. Go back to sleep.



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Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:54 PM

BYTEMITE


Morsi was on the phone with our embassy saying that he was going to honour international treaties and respect and tolerate women's rights and minority rights. No telling if he can do that, or if he means it, or if the Egyptian military won't steal power out from under them anyway so whatever they say or are planning now may be moot relative to what the military wants.

But I think that we have to listen to what he actually says, because this cleric who introduced him might be a comparable situation to Jessie Jackson introducing President Obama before a rally or Donald Trump introducing Mitt Romney. Who knows just how much the candidates agree with or intend to do and how much is pandering.

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:49 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


move along


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Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:50 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPTOR:

I understood the speaker to be a cleric INTRODUCING the new President. Seems it was a campaign speech, from May.

As noted : NOTE: The speaker in this clip was previously misidentified as new Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi. It is actually Egyptian cleric Safwat Higazi, introducing Morsi's campaign on May 1.

Important detail to note, but does it really change the message all that much ? This is the party which won the majority, and this is how the President gets introduced to his fellow Egyptians.

Dismiss it as you wish, but this changes nothing.

And yes Kwickie. It means nothing. Go back to sleep.




Thats campaigning for ya! I've seen it in America as well, where they introduce 'the next President of the USA' even though they haven't been voted in.

It's something that happens here all the time. Nothing sinister about it. Just campaigning in a hopeful manner.

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

It's something that happens here all the time. Nothing sinister about it. Just campaigning in a hopeful manner.



Yeah... hoping to establish a Muslim caliphate, with the capital of this powerful new 'United Arab States' being in a city of another sovereign nation?

How hopeful of them, huh?


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Monday, June 25, 2012 1:35 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Sorry, I don't know which bit of my post you are responding to....

You made a comment that the introduction of the candidate as president prior to being elected as something sinister, I was simply responding that it was campaign protocol to act hopeful.

I guess re the election, citizens have the right to elect who they choose. I wasn't too happy about Bush Jnr (or Snr), but I don't have any choice about what kind of bozo you elect in the US.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 1:38 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPTOR:


And yes Kwickie. It means nothing. Go back to sleep.





I'll repeat, because the part of your brain that formulates substantive answers seems to have gone missing:


Quote:


Should we in our imperial brilliance NOT let Egypt have elections?

Shall we overthrow the leader they've chosen? It worked out brilliantly for us when we did that in Iran, right? And Iraq. And Afghanistan.

Did anyone ever stop to consider that maybe if we weren't spending so much time and money propping up hardline military dictatorships like Mubarak's in the first place, there wouldn't be these violent anti-Western revolutions?

The people of Egypt have spoken. I get that you don't like what they said, but what are you proposing we do about it?




Answer the actual questions, if you can.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, June 25, 2012 4:45 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPTOR:


And yes Kwickie. It means nothing. Go back to sleep.





I'll repeat, because the part of your brain that formulates substantive answers seems to have gone missing:


Quote:


Should we in our imperial brilliance NOT let Egypt have elections?

Shall we overthrow the leader they've chosen? It worked out brilliantly for us when we did that in Iran, right? And Iraq. And Afghanistan.

Did anyone ever stop to consider that maybe if we weren't spending so much time and money propping up hardline military dictatorships like Mubarak's in the first place, there wouldn't be these violent anti-Western revolutions?

The people of Egypt have spoken. I get that you don't like what they said, but what are you proposing we do about it?




Answer the actual questions, if you can.




Tom Lehrer had the answer, clear back in 1959:


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Monday, June 25, 2012 5:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooops--"Page Not Found"...I wonder why? I expected no less from Breitbart than to focus on what they did, nor any less from Raptor grabbing it as anti-Islamist rhetoric and thinking it was Morsi himself. All kind of predictable, no? Politically speaking, doesn't surprise me they got a hard liner to introduce him...kind of like our VP is the "attack dog", it's a sop to the extremist elements and the Brotherhood no doubt, leaving Morsi to talk the more reasonable line.

But as for the real thing, I watched the entire speech (chanel surfing, I wouldn't have sought it out). He repeated himself a LOT, but the gist was clear:
Quote:

Following a week of doubt, delays and fears of a coup after a public count showed Mr. Morsi winning, the generals showed a measure of respect for at least some core elements of electoral democracy by accepting the victory of a political opponent over their ally, the former air force general Ahmed Shafik. “Today, you are the source of power, as the whole world sees,” Mr. Morsi said, pointing into the television camera, during his victory speech.

Mr. Morsi’s status as president-elect, however, does little to resolve the larger standoff between the generals and the Brotherhood over the institutions of government and the future constitution. Two weeks before June 30, their promised date to hand over power, the generals instead shut down the democratically elected and Islamist-led Parliament; took over its powers to make laws and set budgets; decreed an interim Constitution stripping the incoming president of most of his powers; and reimposed martial law by authorizing soldiers to arrest civilians. In the process, the generals gave themselves, in effect, a veto over provisions of a planned permanent Constitution.

For much of Sunday, the capital was tense with apprehension that the panel of Mubarak-appointed judges overseeing the election might annul the ballot count and declare Mr. Shafik the president, completing a full military coup. Banks, schools and government offices closed early for fear of violence.

Tens of thousands of Brotherhood supporters and their allies against military rule gathered in Tahrir Square for the sixth day of a sit-in, demanding that the military roll back its power grab. Around 3:30 p.m., hushed crowds gathered around portable radios to hear the election commissioner’s rambling introduction of the official result.

Then they leapt to their feet: Mr. Morsi had won 51.7 percent of the runoff votes.

“Morsi, Morsi!,” the crowd chanted. “Down, down with military rule!”

Smiling riot police officers put down their helmets to exchange congratulations with bearded protesters. Beaming Brotherhood supporters streamed in, swelling the crowd to perhaps 100,000 by nightfall. In a carnival atmosphere, fireworks were set off and vendors hawked cotton candy or threw pieces of fruit into the laughing crowd.

After 84 years as a secret society struggling in the prisons and shadows of monarchs and dictators, the Brotherhood is now closer than ever to its stated goal of building an Islamist democracy in Egypt. “In my dreams, I wanted this to happen, but it is unbelievable,” said Hudaida Hassan, a 20-year-old from Menoufiya who was rejoicing in the square.

Brotherhood leaders emphasized that their struggle was far from over. They promised to continue the sit-in and fight on in the courts and the streets to reinstate the Parliament. In his short first statement as president-elect, Mr. Morsi vowed to take the oath of office before the reseated Parliament, and not the Supreme Constitutional Court, as the generals had decreed.

Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, the chairman of the military council, congratulated Mr. Morsi. The official presidential guard, which once protected Mr. Mubarak, arrived at Mr. Morsi’s home to take up their new role. Until 16 months ago, their appearance at the home of a Brotherhood leader could only mean a trip to one of Mr. Mubarak’s jails. Mr. Morsi himself was jailed for a time in 2008 and again during the revolt last year against Mr. Mubarak.

State television, long a wellspring of propaganda against the Brotherhood, broadcast Mr. Morsi’s victory speech on Sunday. In it, he pledged repeatedly to be “a president for all Egyptians.” He quoted the first Muslim caliph to describe his authority in Islamic terms, but he also extended a hand to Egypt’s large Coptic Christian minority, many of whom remain dubious of him. “We as Egyptians, Muslims and Christians, are preachers of civilization and building; so we were, and so we will remain, God willing,” he said. “We will face together the strife and conspiracies that target our national unity.

“We are all equal in rights, and we all have duties towards this homeland,” he added. “But for me, I have no rights, I have only duties.” He also repeated his pledge to uphold all international agreements, an apparent reference to Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel.

The Coptic Church formally congratulated him, calling the election a victory for democracy.

Fulfilling a campaign promise, Mr. Morsi resigned on Sunday from the Brotherhood and its political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party. He is expected to appoint a prime minister and cabinet in the next few days. He has promised that the prime minister and an advisory council would come from outside the Brotherhood as part of a unity government based on a rebuilt alliance with liberals and other secular activists.

At the same time, however, Mr. Morsi has always campaigned not as an individual with a vision of his own but rather as an executor of the Brotherhood’s platform. He was the group’s second-choice nominee, put forward after the disqualification of its leading strategist and most influential leader, Khairat el-Shater. Mr. Morsi, a close friend and protégé of Mr. Shater’s, has vowed to carry out the “renaissance” program that Mr. Shater devised to overhaul Egypt’s ministries. The two did little to dispel the assertions of critics that Mr. Shater and the Brotherhood’s board would wield the true power in a Morsi government.

Even after the two-month presidential campaign, Mr. Morsi remains an unfamiliar figure to most Egyptians. He was living and working in Los Angeles during the tumultuous period after Islamic militants assassinated Anwar Sadat and his successor, Mr. Mubarak, cracked down on the Brotherhood. Those who knew him in America say Mr. Morsi never appeared notably political or religious. But he became a leader in the Brotherhood after his return to Egypt, and he won election in 2000 to the Mubarak-dominated Parliament, and was chosen to lead the Muslim Brotherhood’s small bloc of 18 members, playing a key role in the group’s experiments in multiparty democracy and coalition-building. But as he rose in the leadership, he gained a reputation as a conservative enforcer, known for discouraging dissent.

Five years ago, when the Brotherhood adopted a draft party platform that called for barring women and non-Muslims from the presidency, Mr. Morsi was a chief defender of the controversial planks, inside and outside the group. He argued that Islam required the president to be a male Muslim, in part because the head of state should promote the faith.

Since Mr. Mubarak’s ouster, the Brotherhood has jettisoned those proposed restrictions from its platform, but during the campaign Mr. Morsi said that he personally still thought that only a male Muslim should hold the office.

Even so, the jubilation and relief at Mr. Morsi’s victory swept up not only Brotherhood supporters, but also some more secular Egyptians who had stayed on the sidelines of the Brotherhood’s tug of war with the military. Alaa al-Aswany, a writer who campaigned against Mr. Morsi before the runoff and has been a sharp critic of the Brotherhood, wished him well on Sunday. “Congratulations for the Egyptian people,” Mr. Aswany wrote in an online commentary. “The will of the people was able to topple the old regime once more. Long live the revolution.”

Inside the prison where Mr. Mubarak’s sons and former allies are being held, there was “sadness and tears” at the election result, the Web site of the state newspaper Al Ahram reported. It said, however, that Mr. Mubarak himself, now under guard in a hospital, reacted stoically.

Early in the week, when the vote counts were still unofficial, Mr. Shafik had declared himself the true winner of the election, but on Sunday he sent Mr. Morsi a congratulatory telegram, wishing him luck with “the difficult task assigned by the Egyptian people,” a Shafik spokesman said.

Mr. Morsi’s designation as president-elect will hand the Brotherhood and its more secular and liberal allies an important megaphone in their struggle for power with the military. Mr. Morsi will become the chief figure negotiating with the generals on behalf of both the group and its allies, Brotherhood officials say.

“I feel like there is hope again,” said Mohamed Ahmed, 20, an activist with the secular April 6 Youth Movement, one of many demonstrating with the Brotherhood in Tahrir Square. He was celebrating, he said, but not because he supported Mr. Morsi. “I hate Ahmed Shafik,” he said. “He is from the old regime.”

President Obama called Mr. Morsi to congratulate him and offer support, the White House said in a statement. A separate statement urged the generals to speed the transition to democracy and recalled Mr. Morsi’s pledges of inclusiveness: “We believe in the importance of the new Egyptian government upholding universal values, and respecting the rights of all Egyptian citizens — including women and religious minorities such as Coptic Christians.”

Mr. Obama also telephoned Mr. Shafik to commend him on his campaign and to encourage him to help “unify the Egyptian people,” the White House said. Official reaction in Israel was muted; Israeli officials have watched events in Egypt with trepidation over the past year and a half, reflecting concern that a new government would reassess the peace treaty that Egypt’s generals have long honored. In the Gaza Strip, governed by the militant Islamist group Hamas, an offshoot of the Brotherhood, wild celebrations broke out on Sunday. Celebratory gunfire accidentally killed a 24-year-old man and wounded two girls in Rafah, near the border crossing to Egypt.

Mr. Morsi’s victory is unlikely to end the fierce polarization of Egyptian society. Many of the young secular and liberal activists who started the revolt against Mr. Mubarak have come back together to support the Brotherhood against the military’s grab for power, but older secular political leaders are more divided.

A counterprotest in support of the ruling generals reportedly grew to 10,000 people Saturday night, and a group of lawmakers who call themselves liberals held a televised news conference to declare their support for the generals and for the dissolution of the Brotherhood-led Parliament.

The secular politicians accused the Brotherhood of “hijacking” the revolution, called the group a threat to the “civil” character of the state, and charged that the Brotherhood would impose religious rule.

And incongruously, given Washington’s history of antagonism toward the Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood, the secular lawmakers argued that the United States had improperly tried to sway the presidential race in Mr. Morsi’s favor. American officials and diplomats say the United States supported only the democratic process, regardless of the election’s result. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/world/middleeast/mohamed-morsi-of-mu
slim-brotherhood-declared-as-egypts-president.html?pagewanted=all
couldn't find the entire speech, which isn't surprising as he rambled on for a long time thanking virtually EVERYONE--was funny to watch him trying to remember everyone. Nobody can know what he'll actually DO, be loyal to the hard-line elements of the Brotherhood or have a softer, more diplomatic stance, we just have to wait and see. Everything having to do with his electoral speech was very inclusive and positive, but we know about political speeches...

His power is very limited at this point; whether he can get it away from the military is yet to be seen, and what he'll do with his limited power, and/or what he'll do if he gets power back from the military, is the unknown.

For commentary: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2012/06/25/wedeman-egypt-electi
on-morsi.cnn



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Monday, June 25, 2012 5:40 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


This should be under the heading of "Careful what you wish for." I think Morsi's nightmare has just started, much like Obama's did right after he won. Which is good - there's no way to get people to understand how hard something is - especially the allowedest complainers - than to hand them the keys and say, "ok, you drive it for a while." I doubt Tahrir square will be empty any time soon.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 7:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
This should be under the heading of "Careful what you wish for." I think Morsi's nightmare has just started, much like Obama's did right after he won. Which is good - there's no way to get people to understand how hard something is - especially the allowedest complainers - than to hand them the keys and say, "ok, you drive it for a while." I doubt Tahrir square will be empty any time soon.




That was awesome. I feel like that was done purely for my enjoyment!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, June 25, 2012 8:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Answer the actual questions, if you can.




Just lettin' ya know, is all.




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Monday, June 25, 2012 9:42 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


So how do you see this playing out Auraptor?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 10:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
So how do you see this playing out Auraptor?

It's not personal. It's just war.



There's goes my life long dream of drinking a Bass Ale while taking a tour of the Great Pyramids. ( ok, kidding - that's never been a life long dream of mine )

I hope this as has been said, noting more than election hyperbole, to placate an over enthusiastic crowd.

Of course, much could have been said about Hitler, and his rallies, back in the 1930's as well.


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Monday, June 25, 2012 12:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Answer the actual questions, if you can.




Just lettin' ya know, is all.





So you've got nothing, then.

Got it.

Can I quote you on that?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Monday, June 25, 2012 12:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
So how do you see this playing out Auraptor?

It's not personal. It's just war.



There's goes my life long dream of drinking a Bass Ale while taking a tour of the Great Pyramids. ( ok, kidding - that's never been a life long dream of mine )




So you've lost exactly nothing. Duly noted.

Quote:


I hope this as has been said, noting more than election hyperbole, to placate an over enthusiastic crowd.

Of course, much could have been said about Hitler, and his rallies, back in the 1930's as well.





... Or the Republican primaries...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:47 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I know what Raptor means about the pyramids, I hope the new guy doesn't tear down the sphynx or something like that.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
I know what Raptor means about the pyramids, I hope the new guy doesn't tear down the sphynx or something like that.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.



Remember, they ( the Taliban ) did blow up those centuries old statues of Buddha, in Afghanistan. And there's been some talk of at least covering up / shielding the great pyramids & sphynx of Giza, from the eyes of the public.

And Kwickie, what 'crazy' things have Republicans said , during an election ?

Nothing comes close to the vitriol and lies that come from the Left. Not even close.




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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:21 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


What of it if the people of Egypt want to tear down those things? They are theirs to do with as they please. That's the double edge of freedom and democracy. It would be stupid to think that every democracy will act like the US.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/jon-stewart-mocks-crazy-2_n_1
032504.html



http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/2012-Election/a/2012-GOP-Candidate-
Quotes.htm



I could go on, but you'd only say I was "obsessing" about it, as you always do whenever anyone soundly refutes you by providing evidence.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
What of it if the people of Egypt want to tear down those things? They are theirs to do with as they please. That's the double edge of freedom and democracy. It would be stupid to think that every democracy will act like the US.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.





Yup; at one point there was talk of disgracing and defacing Mount Rushmore by adding Reagan's face to it, which would have in essence destroyed it!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:40 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Nothing comes close to the vitriol and lies that come from the Left. Not even close.

So you said in the 'FauxNews' thread. Before you bailed on it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:40 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I'm a history junkie so losing those things would be like losing a part of humanity, who we've been and where we're going and all that. I would hope there would be lots of pressure from the rest of the world against such a fanatical act. No one experiencing extreme fanaticism is having fun, they feel compelled, but they don't really like being that way I'd reckon. Covering them up would be better than destroying them at least. But those are the only reason anyone visits Egypt, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot economically.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yup; at one point there was talk of disgracing and defacing Mount Rushmore by adding Reagan's face to it, which would have in essence destroyed it!



Some Sioux think the faces there are already a sacrilege, and that even the giant carving of Crazy Horse is a defacing of the sacred lands. Some think that, but not all.

Reagan is worthy of a place of honor, like Rushmore, but it's probably best to leave it as is.

Destroying such works as the great Pyramids, which have survived several millennia , because of fears people will look upon them and see a far greater religious work than anything Islam could ever produce, robs all of humanity, not just the Egyptians.

There'd be no justification for such a crime. It'd be worse than when the Europeans melted down all the gold they 'found', in the new world.


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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:07 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Nothing comes close to the vitriol and lies that come from the Left. Not even close.

So you said in the 'FauxNews' thread. Before you bailed on it.

It's not personal. It's just war.



To the extreme right, challenging their belief with pesky things like facts is "lies and vittriol".


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Nothing comes close to the vitriol and lies that come from the Left. Not even close.

So you said in the 'FauxNews' thread. Before you bailed on it.

It's not personal. It's just war.




He doesn't like to answer direct questions. Rappy's lizard brain finds providing supporting evidence to be beneath him. He's big on declaratives - "I win, you lose." "You have no case." "It's not even up for debate." Rappy's lizard brain works in absolutes, in one or two syllables, and has no time to provide any kind of evidence for any of his wild-ass unsubstantiated claims. It explains a lot of what he liked about Herman Cain and his "I know this, but I can't prove it" mindset.

With a mind like Rappy's no facts will ever sway him from what he "knows", no matter how flawed what he "knows" really is.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

To the extreme right, challenging their belief with pesky things like facts is "lies and vitriol".



But to anyone, when the Left uses lies and vitriol, masquerading as 'fact', it's always cause for concern.

The Missouri Democratic Party ran this radio ad:
"When you don't vote, you let another church explode. When you don't vote, you allow another cross to burn. When you don't vote, you let another assault wound a brother or sister. When you don't vote, you let the Republicans continue to cut school lunches and Head Start."

Or this gem...

I’m Renee Mullins, James Byrd’s daughter.

On June 7, 1998 in Texas my father was killed. He was beaten, chained, and then dragged 3 miles to his death, all because he was black.

So when Governor George W. Bush refused to support hate-crime legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again.

Call Governor George W. Bush and tell him to support hate-crime legislation.

We won’t be dragged away from our future.


from the NAACP. The fact of the matter is, of the 3 men CONVICTED of the murder of James Byrd, 2 were sentenced to death, and the 3rd to life in prison. Should the death sentences been carried out multiple times ? What more could an idiotic 'hate-crime' legislation have done ? Her father's killers were caught and justly sentenced. She HAS no legitimate issue here, But she's allowing the naacp to sow the seeds of hatred and division. It's what the Left does.

Pathetic.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:11 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Your first example is filled with falsehoods. The second, not so much. Mullins os commenting on her feelings about Bush not supporting legislation.

You really don't understand what facts are and how they are used.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Your first example is filled with falsehoods. The second, not so much. Mullins os commenting on her feelings about Bush not supporting legislation.

You really don't understand what facts are and how they are used.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Both are ridiculous, and clearly written to spur hatred and distrust, along racial lines.

I seriously doubt that Ms Mullins felt anywhere NEAR like she did upon hearing of the news of her father's death as she did when Bush didn't back 'hate-crime' legislation. And even if she did, it was because she was lied to, as to what the nature of the hate-crime nonsense is, and what it'd mean.

And yes, I know what facts are. Your comment was nonsensical.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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