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Texas GOP Platform Calls for Repeal of Voting Rights Act

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




Yup, it's official.

"We urge that the Voter Rights Act of 1965 codified and updated in 1973 be repealed and not reauthorized."


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/26/506363/texas-gop-voting-ri
ghts-act/?mobile=nc



http://s3.amazonaws.com/texasgop_pre/assets/original/2012-Platform-Fin
al.pdf



It would certainly help keep certain people from voting, especially if you put in poll taxes and literacy tests, which I'm sure the SCOTUS would uphold as "free speech"...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:29 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Several of their statements have some kind of supporting information to explain them.

For instance, in voter registration: "We support restoring integrity to the voter registration rolls and reducing voter fraud." This statement explains the statements which follow.

There is no such explanation for the repeal of the voting rights act. It's too bad, because I'd love to read what their problem with the act is, or what the repeal is intended to accomplish.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:37 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

In reading further, some of their statements are... interesting.

"Contributions to Conservative Candidates - We strongly oppose the Republican Party of Texas, Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee, Republican candidates and elected officials, political action committees, and politically active non-profit organizations from being financially supported by any individual or organization that have personal or financial ties, directly or indirectly, to organizations who do not support the principles of the Republican Party of Texas Platform."

Such a rule, as framed, might forbid them from taking donations from almost anybody. Why, if your cousin was a registered Democrat you couldn't donate. That would be a personal tie to an organization that does not support the principles of the Republican Party of Texas Platform. I don't even know how you'd sift through donations to weed out people who have 'personal or financial' 'direct or indirect' ties. I really think this is an ill conceived statement.

--Anthony




Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:46 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Oh my goodness.

"Family and Defense of Marriage ? We support the definition of marriage as a God-ordained, legal and moral commitment only between a natural man and a natural woman, which is the foundational unit of a healthy society, and we oppose the assault on marriage by judicial activists."

If I understand this correctly, they want only people who believe in God to get married? This goes beyond normal homophobia and enters religious persecution. God-ordained? They aren't even trying to hide the enactment of a theological state. Putting religious rules into law would be the first step to enacting a Christian version of Sharia.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:05 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

Oh my goodness.

"Family and Defense of Marriage ? We support the definition of marriage as a God-ordained, legal and moral commitment only between a natural man and a natural woman, which is the foundational unit of a healthy society, and we oppose the assault on marriage by judicial activists."

If I understand this correctly, they want only people who believe in God to get married? This goes beyond normal homophobia and enters religious persecution. God-ordained? They aren't even trying to hide the enactment of a theological state. Putting religious rules into law would be the first step to enacting a Christian version of Sharia.

--Anthony



What's really scary is how unapologetic they are about wanting America to be a religious state. These far righties have absolutely no understanding of religious freedom or separation of church and state. They all-out call for a Bible-based legal system. Ironically, those who most loudly tout the Biblical "law" are most violently against Islamic states. There's an interesting psychology there.

As to voting rights: I think what the TX repubs hate about the Voting Rights Act is that TX has to get permission (basically) from the federal govt before they can change their voter laws. They're like a bad kid who's been made to sit in the corner wearing a dunce cap, and they're bitter that anyone has the authority to do that to them. Of course, they have no interest in actually growing up and behaving decently. They just want to get back to their pranks with no grown-ups around.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


O...My...Gawd! I never thought I'd live to see the day. And everything else Anthony pointed out is incredible, too. These guys have reeeeely lost it, and they have the power to ENFORCE this shit, to boot. Yeah, it's just a platform, which has no bearing on "life", but those who actually BELIEVE this stuff are getting in power and "enforcing" this shit via ALEC, etc. I know "after all, it's Texas", but this is taking insanity (and religious prejudice!) to a new low.

Why the hell didn't we let them secede when they were threatening to? Brrrrrr....


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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:04 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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This kind of mind set is so foreign to me, this intolerance of almost anything that isn't cookie cutter beige. Back that-a-way is the Past, up ahead is the Future.
How bad would it be if we didn't have 50 states?
Here's something I've been mulling over - with the Internet's ability to amplify everyone's voice (to add even more noise essentially) it's going to be almost impossible to reach any kind of a consensus, especially in our culture of speaking out. We see what that does to our politicians (deadlock), so maybe the only road to any kind of progress for either of the 2 major groups is to separate. I know Ricky wanted that before. Texas is pretty big...

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm all in favor of letting the South take its prejudices and mysoginy and go its own way, myownself. Let's see how well the do without the rest of us, given most of them TAKE more from the federal government than they GIVE. Can't they take the Midwest with them, tho' (joking)? They're almost as bad, politically speaking. Any party that rules a state like these guys do shouldn't be part of a federation of free-thinking (or THINKING), rational citizens!

The mindset is just as foreign to me, and disgusting to boot. You gotta KNOW if Texas and their southern buddies had their way, the Civil Rights Act never would have passed, nor Roe v Wade nor ANY forward-looking legislation. Let 'em go their way and go forward to the past by themselves...betcha they could set up a right smart theocracy!

Too bad secession can't happen without a civil war. I can think of a number of states we'd be better without...mostly those like Texas.


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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:06 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Too bad secession can't happen without a civil war.


Hello,

Can't it? Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede?

I actually think Texas would do quite well without the rest of us. And the rest of us quite well without Texas.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


If Texas secedes, I'll be looking for a new place to live. I'm an American, not a Texan.



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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:35 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
If Texas secedes, I'll be looking for a new place to live. I'm an American, not a Texan.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy



No, Austin would be an island of American sanity in the middle of the new nation of Wackostan.

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Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:12 PM

RIONAEIRE

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That's going way too far, that Voter's Rights Act is pretty important and they want to get rid of it?

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:09 PM

NIKI2

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Quote:

No, Austin would be an island of American sanity in the middle of the new nation of Wackostan.
Personally, I would hope the people of Austin would "immigrate" to the U.S., and we'd welcome them with open arms!

I found this:
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So what would Texas look like as a foreign country?

It would be the world's thirteenth largest economy -- bigger than South Korea, Sweden, and Saudi Arabia. But its worth would crater precipitously, after NAFTA rejected it and the United States slapped it with an embargo that would make Cuba look like a free-trade zone. Indeed, Texas would quick become the next North Korea, relying on foreign aid due to its insistence on relying on itself.

On the foreign policy front, a seceded Texas would suffer for deserting the world superpower. Obama wouldn't look kindly on secessionists, and would send in the military to tamp down rebellion. If Texas miraculously managed to hold its borders, Obama would not establish relations with the country -- though he might send a special rapporteur. (We nominate Kinky Friedman.)

So, Texas would need to court Mexico and Central American nations as a trading partners and protectors. Those very nations would also pose a host of problems for Texas. President Perry might find friends in anti-U.S. nations like Venezuela and Cuba, but their socialist politics would rankle the libertarian nation.

And Texas would become a conduit for drugs moving north to the United States from Mexico, maybe even becoming a narco-state. It would need to invest heavily in its own military and policing force to stop drug violence within its borders -- taking away valuable resources from, oh, feeding its people, fending off U.S. border incursions, and improving its standing in the world.

In short:

The state of Texas would rapidly become direly impoverished, would need to be heavily armed, and would be wracked with existential domestic and foreign policy threats. It would probably make our failed states list in short order. Probably better to pay the damn taxes. http://wellthoughtoutlife.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-if-texas-seceded.h
tml
of that is valid, some is pure snark. By the way, Chuck Norris has volunteered to be President if they do secede.

This is a pretty thoughtful approximation:
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We begin our exercise in Austin, capital of the new Republic of Texas, where the Independence Day party raged until dawn to the music of Austin's own Asleep at the Wheel. Lead singer Ray Benson announced to the crowd, "We have severed the ties with the United States of America. Texas is free!" and the masses roared in response.

The former state has reinvented itself as a sort of Lone Star Singapore, with low taxes, free trade and minimal regulation. It enters the community of nations as the world's 15th-largest economy, with vast oil and gas reserves, busy international ports, an independent power grid and a laissez-faire attitude about making money.

Texas Is 'Open For Business'

The Texas Association of Business advertises the new nation's economic potential with a radio ad that declares, "Texas: Now it is a whole other country — and it's open for business ... C'mon over. Be part of our vibrant free-market nation."

What we have been able to do since we threw off the yoke of the federal government is create a country that has the assets necessary to build an incredible empire," says Bill Hammond, the association's president.

Imagine airports without the Transportation Security Administration; gun sales without the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; land development without the Endangered Species Act; new congressional districts without the Voting Rights Act; and a new guest-worker program without Washington gridlock over immigration reform.

Indeed, new immigration laws sailed through the Texas Congress. Immigrant workers are now legally crossing the border to frame houses, mow lawns and clean hotel rooms.

"We now have a safe and secure guest-worker program that allows immigrants to come and go as the jobs ebb and flow, and fill the jobs that Texans are unwilling to do," Hammond says.

The new normal is a leaner government that bears little resemblance to the full-service nation it left behind. The Tea Party faithful who embraced nationhood early on say it's a lot better than being beholden to Chinese bankers.

"What is the Republic of Texas charged with actually doing? [It's] charged with defense, charged with education, charged with a few things that you have to do, and the rest is wide open," says Felicia Cravens, a high school drama teacher active in the Houston Tea Party movement. "Liberty may look like chaos, but to us it's a lot of choices."

Under statehood, the U.S. government contributed 60 percent of all Texas aid to the poor. In an independent republic, federal benefits like food stamps, free school lunches and unemployment compensation would disappear, according to two Dallas Tea Party leaders.

"The nation of Texas is a living experiment into what we call the empowerment society. It is no longer a caretaker society," says Ken Emanuelson, founder of the Grassroots Texans Network.

Texas Tea Party member Katrina Pierson adds, "There's a safety net that's always been out there. We don't have that anymore. You will be a productive member of society and our environment doesn't allow for people to not be productive."

Southern Methodist University political scientist Cal Jillson imagines that low-wage Texas would become a new magnet for assembly plants that might have considered setting up shop in Mexico or Malaysia.

"Since Texas has become independent, we are surprised — and some are pleased — to see that maquiladora [or foreign-owned] plants are springing up on the south side of the Red River and on the Sabine [River]," Jillson says. "The American South is complaining because some plants are moving to Texas."

With independence, the epic battles between the state of Texas and the Environmental Protection Agency would finally be over. The state sued the EPA repeatedly for telling Texas how to run its refineries and coal-fired power plants. Business experts say the new republic would rely on voluntary pollution controls with minimal oversight — a boon to the industrial sector. But how would that go over with residents of refinery towns who have to breathe the air where they live?

"I am very, very skeptical that the nation of Texas will do a good job at protecting the health and safety of the people, because the EPA is no longer in the equation," says Hilton Kelley, founder and director of the Community Empowerment and Development Association in Port Arthur. "It's all about petroleum; it's all about money."

'Peeling Back The Onion' Of Texan Independence

As an independent country, Texas's red granite capitol building would no longer fly the American flag, only the Lone Star. The new nationalism that breaks out inside the new government would soon be tempered by an independence hangover.

"Every day we're peeling back the onion and finding another level of complexity that I don't think anybody initially anticipated," says Harvey Kronberg, longtime editor and publisher of the Texas political newsletter Quorum Report.

According to Kronberg, a modern sovereign nation requires more — not less — government than a state would. Consider all the new departments it would need to monitor things like foreign affairs, aviation and nuclear regulation. And then there are all the expenses Washington used to take care of — things like maintaining interstate highways, inspecting meat and checking passports.

"Reality is beginning to stagger the folks in the [capitol] building," Kronberg says.

Public education is a good example. In 2011, the Texas state Legislature slashed billions of dollars from school systems at a time when Texas was already 43rd among the states in per pupil spending and dead last in the number of adults who completed high school.

Steve Murdock, the former Texas state demographer and current director of the Hobby Center for the Study of Texas, expects that things would not improve under the budget of a struggling infant nation.

"For Texas to be the competitive nation that we would all wish it would be, it has to make major improvements in education," Murdock says, "because right now it's falling short."

Texas writer Joe Nick Patoski sits on a bench in downtown Austin, ruminating on the hassles of self-rule.

"You can't get in the car and go to New Orleans [and] be there in six hours anymore," he says. "Listen, have you been to the Louisiana checkpoint in Vinton? They're extracting some kind of revenge, the way they treat us as Third World citizens."

Patoski imagines losing a number of friends to the post-secession "Texodus," when U.S. citizens fled Texas for the Upper 48 states. He says he's rooting for the republic, but he's anxious for its future.

"I'm still proud to be a Texan," he says, "but I wish they would've thought this through before they jumped and cut the cord."

Step 1: Don't Go To War With Oklahoma

During the state's first run as a republic, from 1836 to 1845, Texas established diplomatic relations with England, France, the Netherlands and the United States. Today, the modern nation of Texas would find even more countries eager to build embassies in Austin, says Carne Ross of Independent Diplomat, a New York firm that advises fledgling nations.

"Because of Texas' wealth — [it's the] 15th-largest economy in the world — [foreign nations] do not want to have bad relations with Texas," Ross says. "There are many countries, China for instance, that want to preserve their ability to access countries with major oil and gas reserves, so Texas fit into that."

Unlike the first republic, a modern nation of Texas needs to have positions on things like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

"But what was interesting was that Texas' positions were often quite different from the remaining United States," Ross says.

What would Texas's foreign policy entail? Country singer and humorist Kinky Friedman imagines what he would do as the Texas secretary of foreign affairs.

"I think the first thing we would do is go to the Third World countries and teach the women how to grow big hair and give the men Rick Perry wigs," he says. "I will keep us out of war with Oklahoma. And one of the first countries we'll open free trade with is Cuba. We will be opening cigar stores all over Texas. We're not supporting their economy; we're burning their fields."

From Texas To La Republica De Tejas

Texas might see itself as culturally akin to its former fatherland, but as time goes on, the nation's destiny would be determined by its genetic ties to the south. If current demographic growth continues, Texas will become majority Hispanic within a generation. The prospect of Texas as the newest Latin American nation amuses Austin cultural marketing consultant Mando Rayo.

"Texas becomes La Republica de Tejas," Rayo says. "The panhandle city of Amarillo becomes Amarillo, and our national pride, the Dallas Vaqueros, win the Super Bowl."

But would the U.S. let Texas go or would there be a constitutional standoff and opposition from the remaining united states? University of Texas, Austin, presidential scholar H.W. Brands doesn't anticipate a painful separation.

"The Texans were all set for a fight," he says. "I don't know, maybe they were a little bit surprised — maybe they were miffed — that much of the rest of the country said, 'Well we've had enough of the Texans, let 'em go. We'll be better off without 'em.' "

The premise of an independent Texas isn't actually all that popular in the Lone Star State. Last year, Public Policy Polling asked Texans if they favored secession, and fewer than 1 in 5 were for it. As for the 18 percent that said yes — they can just consider our simulation food for thought. http://www.npr.org/2012/03/30/149094135/lone-star-state-of-mind-could-
texas-go-it-alone
of tht is comedy, of course, but some brings up points that hadn't occurred to me.

Tell you one thing, I'd die rather than live there! Bad education, no regulation, low wages, and on and on, according to what the tea partiers, etc., down there think.

Then there's this:
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Go for it guys, so long as you don't mind being Saudi Arabia's far-flung American cousin.

OK, strong statement--but the think about it for a second. Both are oil-rich states, armed with big deserts and seafront property and vast natural resources which have been heavily exploited. Their leaders approve of torture. Citizens in both states are executed with alarming frequency. Radical religious fundamentalist groups (polygamist cults, Wahabbi) have a powerful impact on regional politics and life. Both are shockingly unfair places to live--87 percent of Texas communities exceed the US poverty rate, while women in Saudi Arabia have been marginalized, well, forever. Both have large immigrant communities which, historically, have been discriminated against by power classes.

I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, but overreactions on this scale have earned a jab or ten. (Speaking of overreactions, remember when Saudi Arabia banned all things red around Valentine's Day, because it was sinful? Sound familiar?)More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-stewart/if-texas-seceded-itd-be-s_b
_196895.html
person points out
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Congress would be brought to their knees to let them back for these reasons.

1. 60% of fortune 500 companies are based in Texas.
2. 20% of the top 1% of income earners.
3. Collapse of trade with Mexico.
4. 40% increase in energy costs from "Texas" Crude.

But I don't think it's as simple as that. It's something interesting to contemplate and consider, as it's pretty complex.
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Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede?
Apparently there is. While looking around for hte above, I saw mention several times of some states having it in their constitution that they can secede Too sleepy to look further, but apparently it' not illegal.


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Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:23 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Quote:

Too bad secession can't happen without a civil war.


Hello,

Can't it? Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede?

I actually think Texas would do quite well without the rest of us. And the rest of us quite well without Texas.

--Anthony



There were actually supposed to be measures in the constitution as I recall that would allow states to leave the union. The supreme court even said it was okay in 1869 if it the state got other states to agree.

"The United States Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) that unilateral secession was unconstitutional while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession."

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Keep reading. It gets even wackier.

From the "Educating Our Children" section:

Quote:

Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.



Why would they oppose teaching critical thinking skills?



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Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:27 PM

BYTEMITE


...What.

What in the...

Okay, now I'M offended. o.0 Everything else was basically just business as usual for those guys as far as I'm concerned, but you're right, this is starting to get into crazy cult brainwashing territory.

Is this REAL? You're sure this isn't parody or something?

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Byte, read through the whole thing when you get a chance.


I got it from the Texas GOP's website.

http://convention.texasgop.org/


Texas is becoming a very scary place to be.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:18 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
What's really scary is how unapologetic they are about wanting America to be a religious state. These far righties have absolutely no understanding of religious freedom or separation of church and state. They all-out call for a Bible-based legal system. Ironically, those who most loudly tout the Biblical "law" are most violently against Islamic states. There's an interesting psychology there.


One of the things I am working on, amongst others and I have been BUSY lately, oh yes I have....
Is trying to get RAWA to crank out some propaganda vids for their "Oppressed American Sisters", which can then be wilded to social media here in order to totally humilate the American Taliban, cause that's really what they are - I said at one time that a lot of the hatred for the Talitubbies wasn't cause of what they did, but a combination of hatred for their brand-name, and jealousy that they COULD do it, and I got laughed at for it.
Not so goddamn funny now, is it ?

Also, Tex-ass ain't got the guts to secede, they TALK a good game, but that's all it's ever been.
Wish they would sometimes though - for mine own I refer to that whole south-eastern bastion of ignorance from NC to TX as "Dumbfuckistan".

-Frem

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Frem! You made it back to us!


Good to see ya.


Oh, and the American Taliban? That's just about perfect. They have Taliban; we have "talibangelists"!

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:05 PM

BYTEMITE


Hey Frem, glad things are calmer for you now.

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh how I wish Byte, oh how I wish....
Still, the Reaper is gonna have to drag me off kickin and screamin, cause I ain't goin easy.

-F

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Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:12 PM

BYTEMITE


Yeah. Still, good to see you posting again.

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