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Radical Buddhists didn't fly any jet planes into sky scrapers.

Radical Baptists didn't kill 350 school children in Beslan, Russia.

Radical Jews didn't go on a shooting spree in Mumbai

Radical Scientiologists didn't blow up tourists in Bali.

Radical Wiccans didn't murder Theo Van Gogh

Radical Methodist didn't blow up 1500 year old statues of Buddha.

Radical Hindus didn't murder Olympic athletes in the '72 Summer games.

I could go on all day, but I doubt the message could be made any more clear. There is one and only one religion which follows the word " radical " in each and every one of those examples.

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Radical Muslims didn't kill 100,000+ civilians in a "shock and awe*" campaign in a totally baseless "war of choice". If you're interested in the truth... and I know you're not... and if you are simply balancing the scales of dead on one side versus dead on the other, we are by far the worst terrorists in the world, bar none.

*"Shock and awe" by any definition is an act of terror, since it uses terror (shock and awe, fear and dread) in the form of relentless killing of civilians to attain a political goal (installing a regime more to our liking).
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I had a funny moment when I went back East to help out with my aging mom. My uncle- a retired police sergeant (BTW his son, my cousin, is a high mucky-muck in ICE, so that part of the family is definitely well-establish in Homeland Security) - gave me a hug and asked me how I was doing and how airport security was. So I said, well, OK, except they're using back-scatter radiation now, and it's not like I need the extra radiation. And he laughed and said "Airport security, it's out of control" and as part of the same hug and ironic laugh, added "Al Qaida, they're gonna win". I have to say, I was shocked. Because even he, a small-town cop in bumfuck NY, realizes that our reaction to Al Qaida ... the money we have spent in feckless wars and "Homeland Security" and the rights we have given up in order to be ass-probed and monitored like never before ... has done more damage than anything Al Qaida could have hoped to inflict by themselves.

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Oh, BTW KIKI, congrats on getting rappy to (once again) make a total shit-stain of himself. My god, you'd think the guy would learn!

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And the wars with Iraq had nothing to do with Christianity, so the 'shock and awe' nonsense is a complete non sequitur.

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So ONLY killing people in the name of religion counts? Therefore we shouldn't be upset if Obama were to decide to... say... drone-attack the leaders of the Tea Party? And if a whole bunch of innocent civilians get killed in the process (aside from the targets, that is) that doesn't count either because it wasn't "intended"?

Wow, you are an idiot. You've just voided any complaint that you might make about Obama, including so-called "death panels", because if it's not intended or done in the name of religion, clearly it's of no consequence.

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Do you really intend for us to take you seriously? Clearly not; your arguments don't even pass logic 101. At this point, I just poke at you for fun, 'cause you get all exercised the spittle starts flying. I wonder if you'll run way from THIS thread TOO!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's stunning at how mind numbingly clueless some folks are when it comes to military tactics. Yes, there absolutely is an element of 'terror' when attacking a sovereign nation like the US did w/ Iraq. That's because it's called WAR. And as long as man has waged war, the element of fear is going to go hand in hand w/ any military action. No shit, morons.

But you simplistic , naive mental midgets want to equate the pin point accuracy used in Shock and Awe in Iraq with the fire bombing that the Allies employed in Germany and Japan.

If any of you pin heads ever KNEW about history, you'd be embarrassed at what you've posted so far. But, alas, your Dunning Kruger dunce caps are fitted nice and tightly on your noggins. Bravo.

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That number might be well under what the firebombing of places like Dresden and Tokyo wrought, but it's also far higher than the civilian death toll "radical Muslims" have racked up in the U.S.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's stunning at how mind numbingly clueless some folks are when it comes to military tactics. Yes, there absolutely is an element of 'terror' when attacking a sovereign nation like the US did w/ Iraq. That's because it's called WAR. And as long as man has waged war, the element of fear is going to go hand in hand w/ any military action. No shit, morons.

But you simplistic , naive mental midgets want to equate the pin point accuracy used in Shock and Awe in Iraq with the fire bombing that the Allies employed in Germany and Japan.

If any of you pin heads ever KNEW about history, you'd be embarrassed at what you've posted so far. But, alas, your Dunning Kruger dunce caps are fitted nice and tightly on your noggins. Bravo.

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Posted: Today 2:19 PM
Timbuktu's ancient monuments pillaged by Islamists

An Islamic faction seized control of the city in the West African nation of Mali and is razing Sufi tombs and other cultural sites.

By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI

Beyond the tombs, the manuscripts are considered to be the real treasure of the region ... (July 3, 2012, by
DAKAR, Senegal — Muslim extremists continued destroying the heritage of the ancient Malian city of Timbuktu on Monday, razing tombs and attacking the gate of a 600-year-old mosque, despite growing international outcry.
The International Criminal Court has described the destruction of the city's patrimony as a possible war crime, while UNESCO's committee on world heritage was holding a special session this week to address the pillaging of the site, one of the few cultural sites in sub-Saharan Africa that is listed by the agency.

The Islamic faction, known as Ansar Dine, or "Protectors of the Faith," seized control of Timbuktu last week after ousting the Tuareg rebel faction that had invaded northern Mali alongside Ansar Dine's soldiers three months ago. Over the weekend, fighters screaming "Allah Akbar" descended on the cemeteries holding the remains of Timbuktu's Sufi saints, and systematically began destroying the six most famous tombs.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/travel/2018589317_webmali03.html

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That number might be well under what the firebombing of places like Dresden and Tokyo wrought, but it's also far higher than the civilian death toll "radical Muslims" have racked up in the U.S.

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And there you have it, comparing apples to oranges.

We weren't TRYING to kill civilians, the Muslim terrorists were.

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That should come as great comfort to the families of the dead.

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We didn't declare war on the 'non believers' of Christ. Religion had zero to do w/ our attacking of Iraq.

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Prove it.

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Where do you think said Jihadists would set off a dirty bomb, given a choice, between a naval yard, where any random US warship may be docked, or in Times Square ?

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So you DO agree that in wars past, the U.S. has behaved as terrorists, intentionally targeting known civilian populations (Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, etc.) rather than concentrating solely on military installations!

Game, set, and match indeed - you've just proved once again the very point you've been so vehemently arguing against.

You really should stop shooting yourself in the foot. Or at least stop reloading.





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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Good points Magon's, if someone wants to build a new mosque in my city I wouldn't be complaining or protesting it, its their right to worship as they see fit.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

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The burden of proof is upon you to show we HAVE attacked Iraq or anywhere in the middle East in the name of Christ, not for others to validate YOUR delusion.

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Kenyan Muslim groups 'to protect churches'
4 July 2012

Muslim leaders in Kenya have agreed to form self-defence groups to protect churches following a deadly attack on Sunday.

Fifteen people were killed in the raids on churches in Garissa, a town near the border with Somalia.

Kenya's border region has been tense since it sent troops into Somalia to pursue al-Shabab Islamist militants.

Adan Wachu, head of the Supreme Council of Kenyan Muslims, told the BBC the attacks were acts of terrorism.

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Mr Wachu said that at a meeting the Inter-Religious Council of Kenya on Tuesday it was unanimously agreed the church attacks were acts of "terrorists and terrorism".

"Therefore we all resolved to stand together as one united front," he said.

"We decided as solidarity that the Muslim youth will provide a vigilante service to the churches not only in Garissa but in any other places that the Christians may deem fit."


He said that it was now up to the Muslim leaders in Garissa to organise out how the estimated 30 churches in the town would be protected.

"Muslims felt that because those Christians are a minority in their domain they must be protected at all cost."

Most of the people living in and around Garissa are ethnic Somalis and Muslims.

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One side's military tactic is another ones terrorist act. If you have the military technology and might, you employ similar tactics as the US does in armed conflict, if you do not, you might use guerrilla or terror tactics. That also happened in WW2 and we call them resistence fighters.

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There it is in a nutshell.

As to Raptor and Muslims, I think he should go work for Allen West. Never was there such a Islamophobe more in keeping with his mentality, and neither of them will ever be able to see reality. Bear in mind, again, that the insane never think THEY'RE insane.

Raptor will always, always look for anything he can find to put up and sneer "THAT for your religion of peace", despite knowing no actual truths about Islam or anything ELSE. It's his own private paranoia, I say leave him to it, it keeps him happy. RWA's are only content when there are conspiracies and things to fear that they can focus on. Why bother trying to show them reality?

Just for the amusement of others, however, yeah, Bush thought of it partly as a religious war on Islam, it kinda snuk out in his choice of wording:

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First he called it a "Crusade" on 9/16/2001, a word that brings to mind the early Christian Crusades where Christian's waged war on Muslim's and other "heretics" to convert them to Christianity. Despite the "faux pas", he's been describing his wars in Religious terms ever since (suggesting it was no mistake).

Speaking before the conservative Heritage Foundation (the only place left on Earth that still thinks Bush is doing a great job) on Nov 1st, 2007, President Bush again refers to his "War on Terror" in religious terms. Naturally, Muslims can't help but interpret this as a "holy war on Islam".

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So, no one caring that Muslims, once again, are destroying ancient artifacts ?

Is it just because they're in AFRICA ? I mean, really...should it matter where they are? Does the caring kick in once it's something more significant, or maybe when they start building mosques on ( or near ) destroyed land marks ?

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Express, its like Fox or the dailymail... so take it with a pinch of salt




Peugeot car plant closed as Muslim workers took 'too many prayer breaks', claims official
THE head of the France's centre-right Union of Democrats and Independents (UDI) political party, Jean-Christophe Lagarde, has claimed a PSA Peugeot Citroen car plant had to close because it had hired too many "unproductive" Muslim employees.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/750123/peugeot-car-plant-closed-mu
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Head of France’s UDI party claims Peugeot car plant closed as Muslims took 'too many prayer breaks'

The hardline centrist, who is also deputy mayor of Drancy, a suburb northeast of Paris, said that the carmaker's Aulnay plant, which closed in 2013, had been forced to shut its doors because of "problems arising from never-ending religious demands by Muslim employees".

He said: "The Aulnay site closed because Muslim employees were constantly taking unscheduled prayer breaks and had become unproductive. It's the truth. A Peugeot official told me that it was one - but obviously not the only - of the reasons the plant was shut down."

The shocking claims were made in French newspaper France Info.
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Claims were made by Jean-Christophe Lagarde head of UDI and deputy mayor of Drancy

Mr Lagarde added that he wasn't trying to "irk" Muslims and spark a controversial debate about religion at work, but said he wanted to "end the Omerta".

The Aulnay site closed because Muslim employees were constantly taking unscheduled prayer breaks

Jean-Christophe Lagarde - Head of UDI party

He said: "Some Muslim employees are proselytising at work and harassing their non-Muslim co-workers.

No one should feel under pressure to convert to Islam or accommodate religious colleagues. Because religion has no place in the workplace.:

A Peugeot spokesperson, however, has denied Mr Lagarde's "inflammatory" claims and said that, at the time, the automobile behemoth had been on the brink of bankruptcy and that bosses had decided to close the Aulnay plant to "cut losses".

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