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Soon you libs will have RWFF all to yourselves, ENJOY IT!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I would really REALLY love to see rappy and geezer sign on to this! But, we'd have to add a few more caveats... no ignoring SOME (few) facts over the vast majority of facts, no straw-manning, no innuendo, no ad hominen (name-calling), and no declaring victory and then bailing out of a thread.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:


If I said anything relevant, I'd be a hypocrite, sooo....

This was more my perception of the place.
Flame Warriors
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Hmmm, a very masculine definition I would say.

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People don't need to stop conversations because they are not going to change their mind. You have no idea when you begin what you will think and feel in the future. It may be that you had the discussion and COMPLETELY disagreed at the time, but the seeds of change have been planted in your mind.

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I'd also disagree with you must provide evidence. That depends on what you are arguing about. The basis of most disagreement is not about evidence based information, otherwise we'd all agree all the time. It's about values and world view, and *gasp* emotions.

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A good discussion or argument results in each person getting a glimpse into the other persons POV. In order to achieve that, it needs to happen in a way that neither feels attacked, either by directly aggressive behaviour or subtle put downs. Seen both happen here. You need to explain your position fully, not with popularly used one liners. ie 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people'. These 'sayings' lose their meaning with overuse.

You also need to be able to clarify and understand the other person's position. Do you really get what they are saying and why.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Hmmm, a very masculine definition I would say.

People don't need to stop conversations because they are not going to change their mind. You have no idea when you begin what you will think and feel in the future. It may be that you had the discussion and COMPLETELY disagreed at the time, but the seeds of change have been planted in your mind.

I'd also disagree with you must provide evidence. That depends on what you are arguing about. The basis of most disagreement is not about evidence based information, otherwise we'd all agree all the time. It's about values and world view, and *gasp* emotions.

A good discussion or argument results in each person getting a glimpse into the other persons POV. In order to achieve that, it needs to happen in a way that neither feels attacked, either by directly aggressive behaviour or subtle put downs. Seen both happen here. You need to explain your position fully, not with popularly used one liners. ie 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people'. These 'sayings' lose their meaning with overuse.

You also need to be able to clarify and understand the other person's position. Do you really get what they are saying and why.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
LOL!

You're always good for a laugh, old man.

No wonder you took issue with Sig's suggested additions - bailing from threads is one of your favorite things to do.


"Do not introduce a new argument while another argument has yet to be resolved"

You mean, like going "But Clinton!" all the time, or any of your many, many, maaaaany stabs at absurd equivocation?

Thanks for the laugh, though.

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Originally posted by Geezer:

No point in discussing it with Mike and Storymark, since they've just devolved into trolls.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
LOL!

You're always good for a laugh, old man.

No wonder you took issue with Sig's suggested additions - bailing from threads is one of your favorite things to do.


"Do not introduce a new argument while another argument has yet to be resolved"

You mean, like going "But Clinton!" all the time, or any of your many, many, maaaaany stabs at absurd equivocation?

Thanks for the laugh, though.

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Yup, Geezer reached troll status a long time ago for me. I pointed out that American military personnel on military bases are a valid target during wartime, at which point he screamed a few names and said he was leaving RWED. Since that time, he's been useful for nothing at all except for mocking and clowning on, so I treat him accordingly. He's never shown any interest in having an actual discussion about issues, only in trumpeting his position as the only correct choice.

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Originally posted by whozit:
Liberals don't like rules unless they can change them in their favor, then they just ignore them. Plus they they don't believe in discussion, they say they do but they prefer lies and hate.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"You keep saying that - yet you won't go the fuck away."

Oh good god yes. Please god, PLEASE make ZIT go away.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yanno, there are people I scroll right past and NEVER reply to. Consider this your last read and your last reply.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Originally posted by whozit:
Now that I know you libs think I'm the scum of the earth it makes me want to stay even more, I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!

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Now that I know you libs think I'm the scum of the earth it makes me want to stay even more, I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!

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That is an insult to scum's intelligence.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Does being that stupid hurt, Zit?

Yes it does, but I know I cause you more pain Hehehehehehe

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Hmmm, a very masculine definition I would say.

People don't need to stop conversations because they are not going to change their mind. You have no idea when you begin what you will think and feel in the future. It may be that you had the discussion and COMPLETELY disagreed at the time, but the seeds of change have been planted in your mind.

I'd also disagree with you must provide evidence. That depends on what you are arguing about. The basis of most disagreement is not about evidence based information, otherwise we'd all agree all the time. It's about values and world view, and *gasp* emotions.

A good discussion or argument results in each person getting a glimpse into the other persons POV. In order to achieve that, it needs to happen in a way that neither feels attacked, either by directly aggressive behaviour or subtle put downs. Seen both happen here. You need to explain your position fully, not with popularly used one liners. ie 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people'. These 'sayings' lose their meaning with overuse.

You also need to be able to clarify and understand the other person's position. Do you really get what they are saying and why.

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Hey Magons,

I love this reply. It really gets at the heart of a problem I see here. People think they know how "things work" when in reality they know how "they work." And this kind of "this is how it is" thinking is a deeply and characteristically masculine trance. And the OP's chart is ultimately self-defeating because what it's saying is that every single member of this community of firefly fans has been wasting his or her time for the past 10 years. But of course that's not true. Is it.

'Cause you named it: the point of discussion isn't to arm-wrestle someone with "the truth," it's to see into another person's thought process. To glimps who they are, what makes them tick a little. That's the gold to be taken from this mine. Not the dubious satisfaction of having proved someone WRONG ON THE INTERNET. The better goal is to broaden our understanding, not trade it for its opposite.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Found this while cleaning up my hard drive and thought of RWED.

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