Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... someone from another country ..."
Australia, I think, perhaps NZ.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
There was a recent "Through the Wormhole" about the nature of evil and whether it could be eliminated, which I just watched. It was quite fascinating. One neuroscientist was working on experiments in stimulating the region of the brain believed to be the center of altruism, making test subjects more willing to compromise. Another was developing a "frontal lobe gym" to train people to be better at impulse control through the use of biofeedback on what their brains were doing. A third scientist had studied the brains of psychopaths, found a distinct pattern in their anatomy, and was speculating on whether these people were always criminals and killers until he came to find out he, himself, had the very same brain anatomy. Apparently he is very driven and can be manipulative, but he isn't a killer because he was raised in a good environment. He also believes that there might be ways to turn the inactive areas of the brain on again. It was all very, very interesting. Even more interesting in the face of this event. This guy was a neuroscience student. I wonder how many of his classmates finished reeling from the shock and then thought, "Wow, wonder what his brain activity is like."
(This was also an extremely weird and terrible way for me to find out that there's a very prestigious neuroscience program in my home state, but I might have to look into it.)

---

Quote:

---

"We need to brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way."
-US attorney general Eric Holder, massmurdering terrorist of Operation Fast and Furious and the OK City Bombing, CSPAN2, 1985

Colonel Ed O'Connell: Blackwater is "whacking people like crazy" for Obama and the CIA (in Colorado?)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/the-terrifying-bac
kground-of-the-man-who-ran-a-cia-assassination-unit/259856/

Mexican official: CIA 'manages' drug trade in Mexico in Operation Fast and Furious
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/2012721152715628181.
html

Mexico has yet to ID any of the 49 headless bodies found 2 months ago in the Mexican Gun Ban Victim Disarmament Zone
http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_21147259/mexico-has-yet-i
d-any-49-bodies-found

---

Quote:

---

During the Second World War Cameron began working for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). However, in 1943 he went to Canada and established the psychiatry department at Montreal's McGill University and director of the newly-created Allan Memorial Institute.

Cameron continued to work for the OSS and in November 1945, Allen Dulles sent him to Germany to examine Rudolf Hess in order to assess if he was fit to stand trial at Nuremberg. According to one source, Dulles had told Cameron, that he believed the Hess he was about to examine was not the real Hess and that he had already been executed on the orders of Winston Churchill. (Gordon Thomas, Journey into Madness, 1993, pages 167-68).

It has been argued by John Simkin that Cameron might have been sent to Nuremberg to help the British intelligence services with a problem concerning the real reasons why Rudolf Hess arrived in Scotland in May 1941. Cameron’s task was to remove Hess’s memory of past events. This is why in 1946 Hess was unable to recognize his former friends and colleagues such as Hermann Goering, Julius Streicher and Joachim von Ribbentrop. Cameron next job was to provide Hess with a new memory about events dating back to May 1941.

After the war Cameron worked at the Albany State Medical School. Cameron developed the theory that mental patients could be cured by treatment that erased existing memories and by rebuilding the psyche completely. According to his research assistant, Dr. Peter Roper, "He (Cameron) had a technician called Leonard Rubenstein who modified cassettes so there was an endless tape, it could keep repeating itself for hours at a time. If Cameron could give a positive message, eventually a patient would respond to it." Cameron would play the tapes to his patients for up to 86 days, as they slipped in and out of insulin-induced comas.

In the late 1940s Cameron developed a new treatment for mental illness. The authors of Double Standards argue that his "major inspiration was the British psychiatrist William Sargent, whom Cameron considered to be the leading expert on Soviet brainwashing techniques. Cameron took this work and used it for what he called 'depatterning'. He believed that after inducing complete amnesia in a patient, he could then selectively recover their memory in such a way as to change their behaviour unrecognisably."

In 1953 Cameron developed what he called "psychic driving". Cameron developed the theory that mental patients could be cured by treatment that erased existing memories and by rebuilding the psyche completely. According to his research assistant, Dr. Peter Roper, "He (Cameron) had a technician called Leonard Rubenstein who modified cassettes so there was an endless tape, it could keep repeating itself for hours at a time. If Cameron could give a positive message, eventually a patient would respond to it." Cameron would play the tapes to his patients for up to 86 days, as they slipped in and out of insulin-induced comas.

Cameron discovered that "once a subject entered an amnesiac, somnambulistic state, they would become hypersensitive to suggestion". In other words they could be brainwashed. The CIA became aware of Cameron's research and in 1957 Cameron was recruited by Allen Dulles, Director of the CIA, to run Project MKULTRA. Documents released in 1977 show that MKULTRA was a "mind control" program. As it was illegal for the CIA to conduct operations on American soil, Cameron was forced to carry out his experiments at the Allan Memorial Institute in Canada. The CIA arranged funding via Cornell University in New York.

Cameron had to commute to Montreal every week to carry out his work. According to official documents, Cameron was paid $69,000 from 1957 to 1964 to carry out MKULTRA experiments at the Allan Memorial Institute. Documents released in 1977 revealed that thousands of unwitting subjects were tested on as part of the MKULTRA program.

Dr. Peter Roper later claimed that Cameron and his team had visits from senior military officers "who briefed us on brainwashing techniques". One newspaper journalist later claimed in The Sunday Times that "using techniques similar to those portrayed in the celebrated novel the Manchurian Candidate, it was believed that people could be brainwashed and reprogrammed to carry out specific acts."

According to the journalist, Craig Howie (The Scotsman, 6th January, 2006): "Roper blames politics in the psychiatric profession for Cameron's sudden departure under a cloud from the Allan, in 1964, four years before the end of his contract. There was no farewell, no gift, he went - as it were - out the back door without any noise. All his research was tossed out."

In 1961 Cameron was appointed as president of the World Psychiatric Association. He was also president of the American and Canadian psychiatric associations.

After leaving MKULTRA in 1964, he returned to Albany as Research Professor at the Albany Medical School and Director
of the Laboratory for Research in Psychiatry and Aging at the Veterans' Administration Hospital.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcameronDE.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

---

Quote:

---

COLORADO MASSACRE LINKED TO HISTORIC BANK FRAUD

His father, Dr Robert Holmes PhD, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money.

The massive banking crime being investigated by the US Senate is called the LIBOR Scandal where UK banks fixed the London Interbank Borrowing Rate with the complicity of the Bank of England, the US Federal Reserve (which knew about this crime for 4 years and didn’t report it) and many other major Western banks.

Even worse, according to this report, Holmes recently completed his work on what is called one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed that not only uncovered the true intent of this massive fraud, but is, also, able to trace the Trillions of Dollars “lost” to the exact bank accounts of the elite classes who have stolen it.

Ministry intelligence officials note in this report that it is “no coincidence” that this Colorado massacre occurred within minutes of London’s Guardian News Service releasing their shocking report this past Saturday (21 July) titled “Wealth Doesn't trickle Down – It Just Floods Offshore, Research Reveals” as Robert Holmes algorithms were said used to discover this massive fraud scheme.

Equally curious to note about this massacre is that the American intelligence website TheIntelHub.Com in their 23 July article titled “Hallmarks of a False Flag: Colorado University Held Identical Drill on Same Day as Aurora Theater Mass Shooting, Mind Control, and Multiple Suspects” states that just mere hours before this shocking crime was committed the Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine was holding an identical drill that simulated a shooter in a movie theater.

The popular InfoWars.Com website further notes that “false flag” events such as the Colorado massacre are actively planned for by the US Army as noted in their training manual titled “Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces”.

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/war/terrorism_war/n
ews.php?q=1343231885

---

Quote:

---

(Reuters) - Britain's Lloyds Banking Group has received subpoenas from government agencies investigating a global interest rate rigging scandal that has rocked the banking industry and has not set any money aside to cover a potential fine, it said on Thursday.

Rival Barclays has been thrown into turmoil after being fined a record $453 million by U.S. and UK authorities for manipulating Libor interest rates. More than a dozen other banks are also being investigated and more fines are expected.

Lloyds, Britain's biggest retail bank, said in its 2011 annual report that it was a defendant in several Libor-related lawsuits. Research from Liberum Capital has suggested it could have to pay out up to 1.5 billion pounds ($2.3 billion).

"Certain members of the group have received subpoenas and requests for information from certain government agencies and are co-operating with their investigations," Lloyds said, while declining to give specific details.

On a conference call with reporters, Finance Director George Culmer said there was no need for the bank to set aside funds for potential litigation arising from the Libor affair.

"We are still part of an ongoing investigation and until the regulator is satisfied that that investigation is complete there is no point at this stage in thinking about or putting down a number," Culmer said.

The Libor interest rate is used as a benchmark in financial contracts worth hundreds of trillions of dollars. Barclays' chairman and chief executive have both resigned since the bank admitted its past involvement in manipulating the interest rate.

MORE COMPENSATION

Lloyds also reported first-half results just ahead of expectations and said it had set aside another 700 million pounds to compensate customers mis-sold insurance products - another scandal to have undermined trust in Britain's banks.

Compensation for mis-selling payment protection insurance (PPI) has now cost Lloyds some 1.075 billion pounds this year, and 4.3 billion pounds in total.

Lloyds said its underlying profit increased by 715 million pounds to 1.064 billion pounds in the first half, ahead of the average forecast of 1.03 billion, according to a poll of 20 analysts supplied by the company.

The PPI hit dragged the bank to a statutory loss of 439 million pounds.

Shares in Lloyds were down 0.7 percent to 29.64 pence at 0845 GMT, lagging a flat European bank index.

"Although Lloyds is our preferred domestic play, reflecting its lack of exposure to investment banking, we retain a hold stance reflecting the considerable uncertainty relating macroeconomic environment, regulation, the political environment and litigation risk," said Shore Capital analyst Gary Greenwood.

($1 = 0.6463 British pounds)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/26/us-lloyds-results-idUSBRE86P
08020120726

---

Quote:

---

"Most important to note about James Holmes, however, this report says, is that his father, Robert Holmes, was said to have been scheduled to testify within the next few weeks before a US Senate panel on the largest bank fraud scandal in world history that is currently unfolding and threatens to destabilize and destroy the Western banking system. Robert Holmes, whose “blueblood” family links go back to the Mayflower, is known throughout the global banking community as being the creator of one of the most sophisticated computer algorithms ever developed and is credited with developing predictive models for financial services; credit and fraud risk models, first and third party application fraud models and internet/online banking fraud models.

Educated at the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, Robert Holmes is currently the senior lead scientist with the American credit score company FICO, which was formally known as Fair, Isaac and Company, and which every American citizen is beholden to should they need to borrow money."

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Didja ever notice that the nations with the most HUMANE approaches to people actually have very LOW crime and violence rates?? (I point to Europe and MOST other developed nations as examples.)

Of course not!

---

Quote:

---

I was here I was in chat trying to actually BE HELPFUL, which I would rather be doing than standing around arguing.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
dear lord, how do you work the 'ignore' function on this site?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Wishimay:
I think that's what the problem is with MOST of you. You still wanna believe that people are good natured and WANT to be good. Newsflash! They aren't!
The vast majority of people that stay straight do so because of FEAR. Because inside we are all little outnumbered kids who do what they're told and are afraid to step outside the line. People in general DON'T QUESTION because they simply DON'T WANT TO. (How 'bout Santa Claus for starters, let alone religion... )

---

Quote:

---

The former graduate student accused in the Colorado movie theater shooting was being treated by a psychiatrist at the university where he studied, according to court papers released on Friday.

Defense attorneys for James Holmes, 24, made the disclosure in a court motion, which sought to discover the source of leaks to some media outlets that Holmes sent the psychiatrist a package containing a notebook with descriptions of an attack.

The motion says the package contained communications between Holmes and Dr Lynne Fenton that should be shielded from public view.

A message left with Fenton's office was not immediately returned. The package was seized by authorities Monday after it was discovered in the mailroom at the University of Colorado, Denver. It's unclear if it was sent before the attack early last Friday.

Calls to Holmes' lawyer, Daniel King, were referred to the head of the Colorado State Public Defender's office, Douglas Wilson, who was out of the office and did not immediately return a message seeking comment.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
there's the work of Perry and other noteable scientists who've completely PROVEN it, beyond doubt - humans are HARD-WIRED for cooperation and empathy

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
So for most people, whether it is easy or not, whether it is profitable or punished, it's STILL A CHOICE, and they CHOSE this path, which limits my sympathy for them.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Quote:

---

The former graduate student accused in the Colorado movie theater shooting was being treated by a psychiatrist at the university where he studied, according to court papers released on Friday.

Defense attorneys for James Holmes, 24, made the disclosure in a court motion, which sought to discover the source of leaks to some media outlets that Holmes sent the psychiatrist a package containing a notebook with descriptions of an attack.

The motion says the package contained communications between Holmes and Dr Lynne Fenton that should be shielded from public view.

A message left with Fenton's office was not immediately returned. The package was seized by authorities Monday after it was discovered in the mailroom at the University of Colorado, Denver. It's unclear if it was sent before the attack early last Friday.

Calls to Holmes' lawyer, Daniel King, were referred to the head of the Colorado State Public Defender's office, Douglas Wilson, who was out of the office and did not immediately return a message seeking comment.

---

from The Guardian

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Frem you believe what you wanna believe. People have good days and bad, but there is a reason they make laws for just about everything, and a reason jails are full to bursting.

---

Quote:

---

Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths. I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis: The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it. In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don't get much press. Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments. Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths. We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor.

---

Quote:

---

I don't disagree on any particular point. And clearly, even someone with the rarified brain anatomy of a psychopath can actually be a decent human being, a scientist working on questions that could better society.

---

Quote:

---

You made a point about psychotropic drugs, and I definitely agree that their use should be limited. I'm hoping that, someday, I can do research that will find better, safer methods for rebalancing the brain chemistry that can be thrown off-kilter by, oh, so many things. A few such things are already known, but it would be thrilling to discover more.

---

Quote:

---

I'm also going to operate on a platform that no drugs should be prescribed without an actual diagnostic test of a patient's chemical state. I had a neurotransmitter test that changed my life, and it was painless and pretty affordable, particularly weighed against the benefits it gave me. I don't think a few sessions with a psychiatrist (which probably would have cost the same) would have yielded anything like the same results. (No, I didn't go on any drugs; there's a reason I know that effective alternatives exist.) I'm also opposed to children being on drugs that seriously effect their chemistry while it's still developing. There are instances where it might be necessary to medicate a child (I'm talking things like chronic epilepsy or other serious conditions that could lead to injury or death) but the prevalence of child medication for "behavioral disorders" is heartwrenching to me, and it's out of control.

---

Quote:

---

Just feeding a kid the right food can have a profound impact, and that should be the first resort. Concentrated nutrients in supplemental form should be the next one, though some of those can impact chemistry to the point where I'd be hesitant.

---

Quote:

---

Serious, intense drugs should only be a resort if someone's life is literally at stake.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

I offer in return, THIS, which when you seriously think about it, explains a whole damn lot.

Why Does the World Feel Wrong?
http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/groves/groves1.html

Quote:

---

Our battle for liberty appears not just as a conflict between those who want freedom versus those who want control, but instead as the battle between normal people and the psychopaths. I have found incredible explanatory power of our world within the psychopathic hypothesis: The world feels wrong because psychopaths run it. In a country trained to discount and ridicule all ideas more than a standard deviation from the average, coherent explanations of observable social phenomena don't get much press. Without understanding physical laws, we would never have gained the massive improvements in our quality of life from technological developments. Similarly, without understanding our social systems, we will never escape from the tyranny unleashed on us by psychopaths. We should spread the word and explore this rich vein of thought with vigor.

---

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

And HOW they wind up running it has a lot to do with people buying into that idiotic myth that humans are raving beasts in need of "control", and it just ain't so.

---

Quote:

---

All it takes is one push....on just the riiiight spot.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
dear lord, how do you work the 'ignore' function on this site?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:

Amen! And please? And HAKEN ARE YOU LISTENING? PN is gone way off the edge. I do not like bans, but there has been talk of some kind of ignore function for the new site.... Is that still in the works? Because this is ridiculous.

---

Quote:

---

"He was in full riot gear... He looked like he was from a SWAT team."
-Witness Jennifer Seeger, MSNBC

"The shooter was dressed from head-to-toe in SWAT gear... with Kevlar. He looked like one of the cops. That's what was really confusing to us."
-Jennifer Seeger, three feet away from shooter in theater, CNN

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Funny how his eye color changed...which does happen to MKULTRA victims with multiple personalities

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1kiki:

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

Quote:

---

All it takes is one push....on just the riiiight spot.

---

Hello,

I see. So people are good until pushed in a very particular way that is beyond their tolerance.

Which means the usual, normal condition is a positive one. You have reaffirmed my faith in the goodness of humanity. If making someone evil requires pushing them in particular spots, then people have a natural tendency to be good.

So much for the exploding ferries.

---