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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Oh, and by the way there, Nick ?
Just as an aside, you might not wanna recycle the same schtick over and over, cause it really does make it too easy to troll you right back, just so ya know.

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So you can apologise and move forward, or not and further exemplify your ignorance and lack of respect for a person who has done more for free speech in the last 2 years than you could ever dream of doing in a lifetime.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:whether you have military service or not. All that shows is that someone tricked you out of two or more years of your life and fed you amphetamines and testosterone in a dirt hole somewhere. My sympathies.

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And it IS our right to do so. No matter how unpopular it may be. So touche, I realise now we all want our opinions to be the right ones and everybody else's should be illegal. We were just caught in our own symbolic snares.

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Wow, there is the most ignorant statement regarding military service I've heard in awhile.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

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Wow, there is the most ignorant statement regarding military service I've heard in awhile.

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You'll have to show me what's incorrect about it.

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During World War II, methamphetamine and amphetamine were widely used by the American, British, German, and Japanese military as insomniacs and as stimulants to increase alertness during battle and night watches; they were used as well by war-related industries to enhance worker productivity. Perhaps as many as 200 million tablets and pills were supplied to American troops during the war. The U.S. armed services authorized the issue of amphetamines on a regular basis beginning with the Korean conflict, escalating to well over 225 million standard-dose tablets dispensed between 1966 and 1969.

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Sure he supports our right to free speech while at the same time bashing us and degrading us.

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He has yet to point out a valid reason for "hating" the lot of us, that he eludes to personally know.

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Pause "Guildwars 2" and begin.

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Originally posted by INDRIDCOLD:
I simply suggested an apology would be a more gentleman like way of resolving this quarrel of wits. I'm not asking for anything whatsoever. Respect is earned. And I don't have time to read 800 posts to figure out who's who and where they pretend to come from. All I know is somebody had something to say about a situation that's a big part of my life. I'm as reasonable as the next guy.

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I just don't enjoy being a long distance punching bag for any yokel in the interwebs. I'm just speaking my mind, the same as you guys. And it IS our right to do so. No matter how unpopular it may be. So touche, I realise now we all want our opinions to be the right ones and everybody else's should be illegal. We were just caught in our own symbolic snares.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:whether you have military service or not. All that shows is that someone tricked you out of two or more years of your life and fed you amphetamines and testosterone in a dirt hole somewhere. My sympathies.

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Wow, there is the most ignorant statement regarding military service I've heard in awhile.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

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And it IS our right to do so. No matter how unpopular it may be. So touche, I realise now we all want our opinions to be the right ones and everybody else's should be illegal. We were just caught in our own symbolic snares.

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I'm still not sure you realize where you are, what the people here believe, or even what the original poster was saying.

It's an impressive misunderstanding for a first time poster, to be sure.

Let me explain something. This board has no moderators. You will not be kicked off here for saying anything. You can argue at the original poster all you want to, and defend yourself all you want to, and no matter what people think about you here, you will continue to be able to say it. There's this guy who's always like "Nazi Jew Queen of England with bloody pictures and gore" everywhere, and he's been here for YEARS.

The question I'm getting at is more along the lines of WHY are you arguing with the original poster? You both seem to think that the courts were correct to let you go and drop the charges. And you aren't with the Hutaree anymore, therefore this display of loyalty to them seems unnecessary.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

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Wow, there is the most ignorant statement regarding military service I've heard in awhile.

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You'll have to show me what's incorrect about it.

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How, lets start with the fact that military service is not getting fed amphetamines and testosterone in some dirt hole. Nor is it a waste of time, unless a person makes it that way. Every single person I know that has been in the military has gotten vast experience and opportunities from that service.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Nick, please.

http://www.enotes.com/amphetamine-epidemics-reference/amphetamine-epid
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During World War II, methamphetamine and amphetamine were widely used by the American, British, German, and Japanese military as insomniacs and as stimulants to increase alertness during battle and night watches; they were used as well by war-related industries to enhance worker productivity. Perhaps as many as 200 million tablets and pills were supplied to American troops during the war. The U.S. armed services authorized the issue of amphetamines on a regular basis beginning with the Korean conflict, escalating to well over 225 million standard-dose tablets dispensed between 1966 and 1969.

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They haven't stopped. Recently there's been major problems cropping up with pilots on amphetamine "go-pills" hitting the wrong targets. In one instance a couple Canadian soldiers were killed.

So when I see amphetamine behaviour, I call amphetamine behaviour.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Odd that the suicide rate and homelessness rates are so high for those sought-after veterans, eh?

So is that "vast experience and opportunities" limited to suicide and homelessness, or do you count PTSD, traumatic brain injuries, and loss of limbs as part of that whole "vast experience", too?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:In which case, you have nothing to worry about, since you'll not be taken.

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The article you linked to does mention WWII use, but does not talk about use today.

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Mistakes are few and far between for the number of missions run.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:


...and what are those rates? ...... Suicide rate less than 1%.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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...and what are those rates? ...... Suicide rate less than 1%.

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Well, yes, if you're looking only at that limited group. Another way to look at it is that servicemembers account for a fifth of American suicides, and that a service member or vet kills themselves every 80 minutes.

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The article you linked to does mention WWII use, but does not talk about use today.

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It also mentions use in Korea and Vietnam and doesn't say that it stopped, and it's pretty bloody obvious it's still going on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071789/ns/us_news-only/t/go-pills-war-dru
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Go pills are widely acknowledged in the air force today, and a half-second of thought will demonstrate that groundtroops would also require pick me ups like this to operate in the conditions they do. Whether or not they realize they're taking them is another story.

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Mistakes are few and far between for the number of missions run.

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Say, what's the noncombatant death toll for Iraq and Afghanistan, any takers? I'm not asking about Pakistan because according to the CIA there hasn't been any civilian deaths in Pakistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/12/world/asia/12drones.html?pagewanted=
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That does not mean the military is pumping every member with them as you suggested.

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They are not all mistakes. War is messy, sometimes you attack knowing civilians will get killed.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Didn't say that, did I? Perhaps read the thread more carefully. I'm done being nice and diplomatic here.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:What a lovely bit of justification for killing innocents. Perhaps I should declare war, then this would be totally okay.

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You certainly intimated it.

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Not saying that it is okay, just that it is a reality of war. It will always be a reality of war.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

I *intimated* that Indrid is somewhat excitable. You're the one assuming that I meant everyone in the armed forces.

What's a body gotta do to be subtle around here?

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:The way I figure it, if you're accidentally or intentionally killing civilians, you've forgotten why you're fighting.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You said you think amphetamines use happens on an individual basis? You don't think there aren't drug tests for that as well? The official policy is against drug use and steroids, but there's exceptions, and the reality is there's go pills and there's probably steroids, and all of that is unofficially sanctioned, it's just a matter of not drawing attention to it if someone is using it.

You really think that people wouldn't try to get every advantage they can when they're going into combat and they might possibly die?

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One of your stories stated that military personal can use amphetamines under doctors care. Steroids would be the same, such as testosterone replacement therapy. All of which are on individual basis.

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You still know why you are fighting, it is the acceptance of unwanted affects of fighting. That is the reason war should never be taken lightly and only when those civilian casualties are a lesser evil than what will happen if not fighting.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
There you go then.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Lesser Evil?

People. Dying. It's all the same evil.

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Problem is that is not what you stated by a long shot.

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A few thousand is a lesser evil when compared to a few million.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Yeah, it was. I said to Indrid that his military service apparently amounted to someone feeding him amphetamines and steroids for two years or so in a dirt hole somewhere. Which based on Indrid's introduction, appears to be a not unreasonable conclusion.

I'm not sure why we're having so much heartburn about this. Nick? Any particular reason?

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Did you research this board and the people on it before you started posting? It's very unlikely that your argument that we owe you anything is going to fly here, whether you have military service or not. All that shows is that someone tricked you out of two or more years of your life and fed you amphetamines and testosterone in a dirt hole somewhere. My sympathies. Unfortunately, despite your efforts, it appears the constant erosion of freedom of speech is still very much a reality.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:A fat guy stands on a bridge above a train track, and a train is barreling towards five workers. WHAT DO YOU DOOOOOO???

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