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Attorney Deborah Gordon wants a judge to order a mental exam for former Michigan State Assistant Attorney General Andrew Shirvell to prove that he is “a disturbed young man who needs counseling.”

The request, made in a federal court filing earlier Monday, is the latest in a years-long dispute between Shirvell, Gordon and Gordon’s client, former University of Michigan student body President Chris Armstrong.

Armstrong recently won a $4.5-million judgment in U.S. District Court in Detroit against Shirvell, who published a blog attacking Armstrong, the first openly gay student body president at U-M, for his “radical homosexual agenda.”

Shortly after Armstrong filed his federal lawsuit against Shirvell, Shirvell filed a defamation suit against Gordon in U.S. District Court. Shirvell alleged Gordon ‘s statements to the news media about him — including he was “troubled and immature young man” and “seems to be delusional” — were defamatory.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
This is the party of "personal responsibility" (as long as it's someone else).

AND the party of Jesus (as long as they're not expected to actually follow any of his teachings).

So, yeah.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

More fuel for that fire, this.
Of course, in this case it's more the usual Republican squeazeling to try and avoid the consequences of their actions, which is all too typical, but I really do think there's something to it, even from a meta point of view.

Modern Conservatism and RightWing-Authoritarianism really do strike me as an offshoot of Sociopathy and/or Narcissistic Personality Disorder, simply given a thin veneer of acceptable politics, a fictional gloss to excuse behavior that would be to any sane, empathetic and humane person... unthinkable.
And certainly unacceptable.

I however am dubious of what to do about it, cause the whole notion of pyschologically reconditioning people in defiance of their will strikes me as unconscienable even if it were my bitterest enemy, certainly I've stood against it long enough to feel that way - but how then do you treat this awful disorder ?
Me, I reccommend rope....


How MUCH of that is tongue in cheek, I ain't tellin.

-Frem

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The survey, highly unscientific even by the standards of the time, was sent to 12,356 psychiatrists, of whom 2,417 responded. The results were published as a special issue: “The Unconscious of a Conservative: A Special Issue on the Mind of Barry Goldwater.”

The psychiatrists’ assessment was brutal. Half of the respondents judged Mr. Goldwater psychologically unfit to be president. They used terms like “megalomaniac,” “paranoid” and “grossly psychotic,” and some even offered specific diagnoses, including schizophrenia and narcissistic personality disorder.

Only 27 percent of the respondents said Mr. Goldwater was mentally fit, and 23 percent said they didn’t know enough about him to make a judgment.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Modern socialism and Left-wing authoritarianism really do strike me as an offshoot of Sociopathy and/or Narcissistic Personality Disorder, simply given a thin veneer of acceptable politics, a fictional gloss to excuse behavior that would be to any sane, empathetic and humane person... unthinkable.

And certainly unacceptable.

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I was about to dissect and expose the irrationality behind this statement, but all that work would be to no avail; you will still believe what comforts you most, and the rest here already are aware of what the truth is, so I'll just say: BOLLOCKS.

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You were gonna dissect the quote until you realized that I wasn't the one who originally said it, is what you really mean.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Because Chris is a grown up,

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Whoah ho ho wait! I wouldn't go THAT far!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Because Chris is a grown up,

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Whoah ho ho wait! I wouldn't go THAT far!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

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It's all relative, and look at the comparison.

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Because Chris is a grown up, and grown ups understand that changing the wording of something... changes the meaning of the thing. That's why we have different words for different things.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, responding to that crazy drivel is going to be productive.

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Shortly after Armstrong filed his federal lawsuit against Shirvell, Shirvell filed a defamation suit against Gordon in U.S. District Court. Shirvell alleged Gordon ‘s statements to the news media about him — including he was “troubled and immature young man” and “seems to be delusional” — were defamatory.

Gordon, a Bloomfield Hills-based attorney, said those statements were her opinion, but were also true.


She asked Shirvell to submit to independent medical exam by a psychiatrist or psychologist, but he declined. Now she wants the court to get involved.


“Shirvell has alleged that these statements are simply untrue,” Gordon’s attorney Sarah S. Prescott, who works for Gordon’s law firm, wrote in her motion. “In doing so, he has plainly put his mental health into controversy and (Gordon’s) ‘good cause’ for the suggested psychological examination is simply that there is no better way to get to the root of Shirvell’s actual mental and emotional well-being.”

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"Burden of proof is always on the person making the allegation." Isn't it true that, in legal matters, if someone says/writes that another is or does such-and-such, and the person they said/wrote that about sues them, it's up to the person suing to prove the statements are lies?

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I'm not sure how psychological evaluation comes into this, it seems kind of absurd to me, but then a lot of litigation seems absurd to me.

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Isaac Newton’s third law of motion states that for every action in nature, there is an equal and opposite reaction. It can operate in politics, too. For example, Harvard law professor Jack Goldsmith recently wrote, “It is part of Trump’s evil genius that he elevates himself by inducing his critics to behave like him.”

Call it Trump derangement syndrome, and recognize it for what it is: something that could end up snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for the Democratic party once again in 2018 and 2020.

Signs of that possibility are apparent in the polls. President Donald Trump’s job approval has remained low, by historical standards, but it has also remained pretty steady — and has been rising, just a bit, in recent weeks.

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