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Death penalty for disobedient kids?

POSTED BY: CANTTAKESKY
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Monday, October 8, 2012 4:24 PM

CANTTAKESKY


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/08/arkansas-republican-endorses-dea
th-penalty-for-children
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A man running as a Republican for State Representative in Arkansas published a book in which he endorses the death penalty for rebellious children and much, much more.

In his book “God’s Law: The Only Political Solution,” published in April, former Arkansas Department of Human Services attorney Charlie Fuqua explains that he supports killing wayward kids because that’s what a Bronze Age tribe did in his favorite religious text.

“The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline,” he wrote, according to an excerpt published by The Arkansas Times. “Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellioius children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21.”

He goes on to write: “Even though this procedure would rarely be used, if it were the law of land, it would give parents authority. Children would know that their parents had authority and it would be a tremendous incentive for children to give proper respect to their parents.”

Fuqua’s run is being bankrolled by established Republicans in the state, including the party itself and the House Republican Leadership PAC. Spokeswoman Katherine Vasilos told Raw Story in an email that the Republican Party of Arkansas had no plans to make financial contributions to Fuqua in the future.

In his book, Fuquoa also expresses his opposition to paying minimum wage, funding public education and what he calls the “Muslim problem,” which he believes could be dealt with by expelling all the Muslims from America. He adds that prisoners who cannot be rehabilitated within two years should just be executed to save money.

And in a diatribe published to his campaign website, Fuqua explains that liberals and Muslims have formed a “strange alliance” around their links to the “antichrist,” because, as he explains, “they both deny that Jesus is God in the flesh of man, and the savior of mankind. They both also hold that their cause should take over the entire world through violent, bloody, revolution. Both want to end freedom of speech so that their doctrine cannot be criticized. Neither can survive in a free marketplace of ideas.”

He’s running against incumbent State Rep. James McLean (D), a conservative Democrat with an A- rating from the National Rifle Association.






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Monday, October 8, 2012 4:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Rappy will be along momentarily to tell you that you're just taking this guy out of context...



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 6:00 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by canttakesky:
former Arkansas Department of Human Services attorney Charlie Fuqua explains that he supports killing wayward kids because that’s what a Bronze Age tribe did in his favorite religious text.

...

Fuqua’s run is being bankrolled by established Republicans in the state, including the party itself and the House Republican Leadership PAC.


And they wonder why I'd like to see them swinging from lampposts ?
This is prettymuch the logical endpoint of Dobson-Ezzo type Black Pedagogy, using the Force-Resistance-More-Force model, and while not generally "officially" acknowledged, what exactly do people think the end point becomes when the kid throws down the gauntlet and cannot be "broken" into obediance ?
Why do you think those casualty lists exist ?

And yes, I have, many a time, dealt with DHS/CPS workers and supervisors this goddamn batshit crazy, it's far more common than you think since the system itself tends to grind up and emotionally destroy or burn out decent people, leaving trolls like this in charge, who are notorious for trying to seize custody from parents they think are not brutal enough for their liking, which is the OTHER end of this whole nasty business and one of the few places I'll not discuss any of the related history cause some of its damn incriminating.

When some sadistic sociopath religious wacko has the force of law in their hands and comes down on you like a bludgeon, you begin to realize why the Second Amendment exists, why all of them exist really, and why they are so goddamn important (even if ignored/subverted) as a check against power in the hands of lunatics.
Ask yourself if the case of Maryanne Godboldo would have ever been public enough to bring the condemnation which lead to the lies and abuses holding that case falling apart, were it not for that fateful shot into the ceiling, and even THEN they suffered more abuse at the hands of the State, wounds which take long to heal, if ever.

This cretin should be removed from consideration and barred from holding public office soley on the content of his statements, which indicate a severe disrespect for the Constitution and Law of the land, which he cannot swear to uphold without being forsworn as his loyalties are obviously to something else - ergo his intent to run could be considered technically criminal as well, and I have zero qualms about bashing scum like this with technicalities of law they've previously exploited to abuse others behind the mask of State.

Things like this, and GOP support of em, are also why I am so rabid about it - really, at what point in there do you see anything to negotiate ABOUT, any fragment of reason for discussion ?
Them or us, it's really that simple, and not by our choice, but theirs.
And so, as I say, the meanest, cruelest thing in the world to do to anything is figure out their hearts desire and give it to em, give it to em good and hard.
They want it this way, welllll.....

-Frem

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:08 AM

CANTTAKESKY


"Spokeswoman Katherine Vasilos told Raw Story in an email that the Republican Party of Arkansas had no plans to make financial contributions to Fuqua in the future."

Far be it for me to defend the GOP, but I don't think they knew he was this wacko when they gave him money.

They need to ask for their money back. ;)

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:53 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
"Spokeswoman Katherine Vasilos told Raw Story in an email that the Republican Party of Arkansas had no plans to make financial contributions to Fuqua in the future."

Far be it for me to defend the GOP, but I don't think they knew he was this wacko when they gave him money.

They need to ask for their money back. ;)




I recall the GOP saying the same thing of Todd Akin, right up until the deadline for him to drop out of the race had passed, at which time they (quietly) decided to go ahead and endorse and support him.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:06 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Rappy will be along momentarily to tell you that you're just taking this guy out of context...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."



Or ignore it, as he did when I raised this subject in another thread...


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Far be it for me to defend the GOP, but I don't think they knew he was this wacko when they gave him money.


Oh they knew, it's not like a cretin such as this keeps that attitude any kind of secret yanno.
This is just backpeddling for PR points, is what it is.
Business as usual for the "party of personal responsibility", uh huh, till it's theirs, and then all of the sudden there's always someone else to blame, sure.

Looking for a moral center in the GOP is like looking for photons in a black hole.

-Frem

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, ANOTHER Arkansas Republican got outed today as the author of several letters, one of which questioned why, if slavery was really so bad, did Jesus have nothing to say about it?

That's three in a week. Arkansas is rapidly overtaking Florida and Texas as the assbarrel of the nation.

http://gawker.com/5950302/yet-another-arkansas-legislator-is-nuts-if-s
lavery-were-so-godawful-why-didnt-jesus-condemn-it



Awesome.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:52 PM

CANTTAKESKY


The early Christians totally supported slavery. Paul was exhorting Christian slaves to be obedient to their masters, etc. That's how come the very religious Christian south felt ok about owning slaves. People in the Bible did it all the time.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2012 4:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
The early Christians totally supported slavery. Paul was exhorting Christian slaves to be obedient to their masters, etc. That's how come the very religious Christian south felt ok about owning slaves. People in the Bible did it all the time.



And if that "babble" can't get that great moral question of humanity right, why exactly should I rely on it for moral guidance?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:25 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's three in a week. Arkansas is rapidly overtaking Florida and Texas as the assbarrel of the nation.


Maybe, but it sure looks like Texas is still hankering for the title to me...

Case in point - THIS
You know, it's kinda sad when you have to go to WND for actual journalism, but be that as it may, once again lemme point out how Zero Tolerance became airport security, and how so many of the invasive, unconstitutional programs which assault us every day were first used against those who had not the legal standing to fight back, up to and including rendition and torture.

And so I bring you this.

Wear radio chip or leave, school tells students
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/wear-radio-chip-or-leave-school-tells-stude
nts
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Brushing aside privacy concerns by parents and civil rights activists, a Texas school district has gone live with a controversial program requiring all students to wear a locator radio chip that will enable officials to track their every move – or face expulsion.


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Students refusing the chips were reportedly threatened with suspension, fines, or being involuntary transferred. Unlike chips used by retailers to track inventory which activate when scanned by a reader, these chips contain batteries and actively broadcast a continuous signal.

"Transferred", such a polite word for 'shipped off to a hellcamp', cause in many cases thats exactly what'll happen, the refusal gets labelled a 'discipline problem' and so on and so forth.
And that continuous signal is just freaking asking for it, why not paint a bright red target on them while they're at it, maybe make them wear a sign... grrr.


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district spokesman Pasqual Gonzalez said the two schools have a high rate of truancy, and the district could gain $2 million in state funding by improving attendance.

According to the San Antonio newspaper, the program is expected to cost the district $526,065 to implement with annual cost of $136,005 per year to continue running the program.


Cause as usual its all about the money and who really gives a shit about the 'product' right ?
I wonder if even a one of em thought, even for a second, about maybe OTHER ways to invest that half a million bucks other than Force and Fear, maybe make them WANT to come to school perhaps, provide some incentive instead of creating a hostile environment, a culture of force and fear, and then wondering why students don't wanna go there ?

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In an attempt to obtain legal help, Andrea’s father, Steve Hernandez reached out to the American Civil Liberties Union, but was rebuffed because organization officials didn’t feel Andrea’s religious concerns would advance their core mission.

In an email to Hernandez, Rebecca Robertson with the ACLU of Texas told him, “the ACLU of Texas will not be able to represent you or your daughter in this matter.”

In citing its reasons for refusing to take the case Robertson said among the factors they use to decide to take a case are whether it “has the potential to achieve broad and lasting advances in civil liberties” and as such, Andrea’s case does not apparently meet that threshold.


This is one reason I am hostile to the ACLU, I will avoid crossing irons with them cause I do think in their halfassed, ham-handed way they do advance the cause of freedom, but they're more about generating income and paying into their own vainglory - worth considering that every single case of youth/victim rights I have ever brought them in over thirty years they have rejected, and often enough they stepped in to defend the aggressors.
Of course, what with Rust-Tierney and that whole mess, they had an excuse, but unless that excuse still holds (what a horrifying thought) they're no more use than a bicycle built for fish when it comes to youth rights.

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Highlighting the dangers the chips pose to student privacy issues even while off campus, Fazio said she was able to get list containing the names and addresses of all of the students in the district by filing a Freedom of Information Request.

“After paying a $30 fee with the FOIA request I was able to get every student’s name and address,” Fazio explained. “Using this information along with an RFID reader means a predator could use this information to determine if the student is at home and then track them wherever they go. These chips are always broadcasting so anyone with a reader can track them anywhere.”


This is, actually, an ongoing and existing problem - which is only multiplied by the tracking device, as even without it schools are a piss poor guardian of student privacy, which is impossible to enforce without parental involvement and even WITH it damn hard because of the lack of legal and social status minors have within our society.


Anyhows, how'd you like it if someone did this shit to you ?
Are we past the point of lame excuses yet, now ?
Are not the abuses thrown at you by society and The State sufficient to convince you that perhaps it might be worth your time to stand up, BEFORE these measures are once again tested on the defenseless, so that they can be codified and refined before applying them to YOU ?

-Frem

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:15 AM

BYTEMITE



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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:41 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Fuqua by name and by nature.

Honestly, is there a dickhead factory manufacturing these loonies?

*waits for Geezer to jump in and defend this man in the name of free speech*


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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:48 PM

OONJERAH




Linda Ronstadt: the presence of a "Republican or fundamental Christian" in her
concert audience "can cloud my enjoyment."

One of the greatest singers of all time, no?


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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:04 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Honestly, is there a dickhead factory manufacturing these loonies?


Yes, it's called the Republican Party.
http://wwaspdiaries.com/2012/01/22/the-politics-of-the-troubled-teen-i
ndustry
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-Frem

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 7:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


:)

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Monday, October 15, 2012 9:25 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Yikes, there are way too many uh ohs in this thread, as in things that shouldn't be allowed in our country. I personally think that was in the Old Testament as a detourant, something that was written down but I doubt anyone actually followed that rule, I certainly wouldn't let anyone do that to my kids. I think it was there to scare people into behaving but I doubt that it was used officially. That being said we don't need a rule like that now, no thanks.

And slavery, we don't need it spelled out in the Bible to figure out that its wrong, that's more of a duh thing, we can figure that out for ourselves if we think about it, obviously people back then just weren't thinking about it. Sometimes God leaves people alone and lets them figure stuff out on their own, too bad it took them so long though to figure it out and use their brains.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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