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Five things we learned from Tuesday's debate
Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:26 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You really should look at where you get your numbers. >
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You really should look at where you get your numbers. >
Quote:WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Voters say that President Barack Obama performed better than Republican rival Mitt Romney by a substantial margin in their second debate, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday. Forty-eight percent of registered voters gave the victory to Obama, while 33 percent say Romney prevailed in the Tuesday debate, the online poll found. The poll reflects the broad consensus of debate observers who said Obama's forceful approach gave him the upper hand over Romney, who was widely seen as the victor in their first matchup on October 3. "Clearly the debate was a bit of a turnaround for Obama. He put in a much stronger performance than he did in the first debate and it's showing in the numbers," said Ipsos pollster Julia Clark. The accuracy of Reuters/Ipsos online polls is measured using a credibility interval. In this case, the survey of 655 online voters, conducted shortly after the debate, has a credibility interval of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points. (Reporting by Andy Sullivan; Editing by Alistair Bell and Sandra maler)
Quote: The overall who won came from Gallop and Reuters and was reported on all Major Networks. The individual question breakdown was courtesy of NBC.
Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:04 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote: The President called it an act of terror the next day, the transcripts prove that. Rmoney was wrong, got correct and his ass handed to him. Deal with it.
Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:47 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:33 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, October 19, 2012 1:36 AM
Friday, October 19, 2012 6:41 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Friday, October 19, 2012 8:06 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:PPP noted that Obama led Romney on each night following Tuesday's town hall debate. The PollTracker Average also shows Obama moving ahead to claim a 1-point lead.
Quote:whether Obama leads or Romney is gaining traction will depend on which polling entity is supplying your numbers. Presidential polls are only one (very stark) example of our currently divided media, with outlets presenting a narrative based on their party of preference. Earlier on in the race, when polls showed a clear Obama lead, many conservative outlets outright rejected the polls, saying that “skewed polling” by a “liberal media” that was “in the tank for Obama” had sullied the data. As of today (October 19), New York Times polling blog FiveThirtyEight is forecasting a still solid lead for President Obama over Mitt Romney, projecting that the incumbent candidate will earn 291.6 electoral votes to Romney’s predicted 246.4. Silver pegs Obama at a 70.4 percent chance of winning over Romney’s projected chance of 29.6 percent, in line with projections from other major polling outlets predicting an Obama win in November.Lots more at http://www.inquisitr.com/368997/presidential-polls-show-gallup-against-the-world-nate-silver-observes-romney-win-unlikely/] As we all know, at this point "nationwide" means next to nothing, it's the sswing states that will decide the election. With regard to those, Quote:Within swing states, the two new NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls show Obama leading by comfortable margins -- 8 percentage points in Iowa (51 to 43 percent) and 6 points in Wisconsin (51 to 45 percent). Both states are critical for Obama given the close contest nationwide and narrow Romney leads in states like Florida and North Carolina. Eight other new polls released on Thursday from seven battleground states found more of a mix of results. Except for a Rasmussen Reports automated survey in North Carolina and a Republican-sponsored poll in Pennsylvania (by a pollster with results that have consistently skewed in Romney's favor), the new surveys all gave Obama nominal leads. In addition, the tracking model continues to show Obama with narrower advantages in New Hampshire and Colorado, but tied or slightly behind in Virginia, Florida and North Carolina. The new polls are just beginning to capture sentiment measured after the second debate. New surveys released over the weekend should begin to clarify whether any new trends will emerge. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/2012-polls-barack-obama-swing-states_n_1985645.html] Now that's the HuffPost, so their material needs to be viewed as at least somewhat biased. From another source, concerning swing states:Quote:Florida: Romney 51%, Obama 46% (Rasmussen) Iowa: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Public Policy Polling) Nevada: Obama 51%, Romney 43% (Mellman) New Hampshire: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Public Policy Polling) North Carolina: Obama 47%, Romney 44% (Grove Insight) Virginia: Romney 50%, Obama 47% (Rasmussen) http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/19/latest_swing_state_polls.html These races always tighten up toward the end, don't they? Seems to me that's what I've heard, and Romney dertainly has tightened it up!
Quote:Within swing states, the two new NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls show Obama leading by comfortable margins -- 8 percentage points in Iowa (51 to 43 percent) and 6 points in Wisconsin (51 to 45 percent). Both states are critical for Obama given the close contest nationwide and narrow Romney leads in states like Florida and North Carolina. Eight other new polls released on Thursday from seven battleground states found more of a mix of results. Except for a Rasmussen Reports automated survey in North Carolina and a Republican-sponsored poll in Pennsylvania (by a pollster with results that have consistently skewed in Romney's favor), the new surveys all gave Obama nominal leads. In addition, the tracking model continues to show Obama with narrower advantages in New Hampshire and Colorado, but tied or slightly behind in Virginia, Florida and North Carolina. The new polls are just beginning to capture sentiment measured after the second debate. New surveys released over the weekend should begin to clarify whether any new trends will emerge. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/2012-polls-barack-obama-swing-states_n_1985645.html] Now that's the HuffPost, so their material needs to be viewed as at least somewhat biased. From another source, concerning swing states:Quote:Florida: Romney 51%, Obama 46% (Rasmussen) Iowa: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Public Policy Polling) Nevada: Obama 51%, Romney 43% (Mellman) New Hampshire: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Public Policy Polling) North Carolina: Obama 47%, Romney 44% (Grove Insight) Virginia: Romney 50%, Obama 47% (Rasmussen) http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/19/latest_swing_state_polls.html These races always tighten up toward the end, don't they? Seems to me that's what I've heard, and Romney dertainly has tightened it up!
Quote:Florida: Romney 51%, Obama 46% (Rasmussen) Iowa: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Public Policy Polling) Nevada: Obama 51%, Romney 43% (Mellman) New Hampshire: Romney 49%, Obama 48% (Public Policy Polling) North Carolina: Obama 47%, Romney 44% (Grove Insight) Virginia: Romney 50%, Obama 47% (Rasmussen) http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/19/latest_swing_state_polls.html
Friday, October 19, 2012 5:24 PM
Saturday, October 20, 2012 1:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: The overall who won came from Gallop and Reuters and was reported on all Major Networks.
Quote:Obama Judged Winner of Second Debate Fifty-one percent say Obama did better job, 38% say Romney
Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:08 AM
Quote:Three-fourths of Americans (76%) in an Oct. 17-18 Gallup poll say they watched the debate, higher than the 66% who told Gallup in an Oct. 4-5 poll that they watched the first presidential debate on Oct. 3. The two-day field period after the night of the debate means Americans' judgments about who won not only reflect their personal reaction but may also be influenced by news coverage and media commentary in the days following the debate. However, most of the instant reaction polls conducted in the first few hours after the second debate also found debate watchers naming Obama the winner.
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