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Friday, November 2, 2012 12:40 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I live in RWED, so miss a lot of Firefly stuff in other forums. On the off chance there are others like me, I'm posting this update about this coming Monday's Firefly send-up on Castle:



Three days away three days away three days away...I'm "agog"!

For your reading pleasure:
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Do you know how Castle can make some big Nathan Fillion fans even happier than finally having his character get together with Stana Katic's on the show? Go meta and make gleeful references to his past fan favorite project, Firefly. And that is exactly what the show does (in fact, a fun drinking game for the episode may be to count the references) in "The Final Frontier."

We won't lie to you: just the other day we were having a conversation with another entertainment reporter about whether or not Firefly would be as beloved as it is now if it had actually gone on for five or six seasons. Could it have carried on the quality of the first, short, and now iconic season? Or are the few episodes we do have put on a pedestal simply because they are so limited? We were not making an argument either way; just offering a general observational inquiry, but we have to say, Castle kind of answers our wonderings simply with this episode.

Castle itself is a series that, if delivering sub-par episodes, would be seen has being dragged out, rather than producing a tight storyline that ends on a high note. Episodes like "The Final Frontier" this far into the series run, though, proves the writers and producers still have a deep passion not only for their own project, but also for their fans. By nodding to them, and to Fillion's past, they are not just being meta to mine new stories but to have some cheeky fun. Which is something Castle does best.

"The Final Frontier" starts, seemingly, inside another show, as a cast of uniformed characters guide their Nebula 9 space vessel home, only for the lights to click on at the end, and everyone to cheer. See, it's all a part of a fan experience put together for a show that only had one short season, a decade earlier (sound familiar?). Only when the fans disembark the ship to change back into their convention clothes, they find that one prop on the set is actually a dead body.

It doesn't take much to get Beckett and Castle on the scene. He is already at the convention, signing copies of his new graphic novel (which gets very nice product placement in the episode, we might add), while she...appears to be a closet Nebula 9 fan. Seriously, just wait for the flashback photo moment. Beckett was a LARPer, you guys, just check out the photo slideshow above for the best picture of her ever.

The investigation takes them deep into the level of fandom when it turns out the dead woman was not only the head of the Nebula 9 fan club but also responsible for producing new webisodes of the show after acquiring the rights-- and angering some purist fans. Things take an even twistier turn, though, when the M.E. reports that the cause of death was a high intensity laser at close range-- you know, the perfect science fiction weapon for a science fiction convention, which naturally has Castle even more excited.

Props can kill people, you know, especially when in poor hands.

Listening to Beckett and Castle banter about whether or not the fans of the show like something that isn't worthy of such devotion may be a little too meta, considering just how devoted some Castle fans actually are. For the most part, it's good-natured enough not to really ruffle any feathers, but we couldn't help but find ourselves cringing every time we heard the term "crazed" fans, compared to "mega" fans, or you know, "normal" people. A sequence where Ryan (Seamus Dever) and Esposito (Jon Huertas) interview convention-goers, while they are still in full get-ups, including some muffling masks, doesn't necessarily help the argument of sanity here, but it does make for a unique montage of what is otherwise just typical procedural fodder.

And any fun that may be poked at a fandom's expense or with them is all paid off in the end anyway, when Beckett delivers a moving monologue about why such fandom is so important. She is speaking personally, of course, but we can just picture the Tweets and Tumblrs that will scream "Testify!" at her come Monday. After all, her sentiment is one shared across the fandom-- across any person or group of people who find greater meaning and metaphor in even the simplest, silliest stories. You can substitute show and character names in for each other; it's the feelings of empowerment and community that are universal and matter the most.

"The Final Frontier" is so chock full of fun references and callbacks to other genre greats (as you would expect, considering Jonathan Frakes directed the episode) we're sure we didn't even catch them all. It also boasts an impressive list of genre guest stars to add to Castle's street cred: Armin Shimerman, Ed Quinn, Christina Moore, Erin Way, and Chris McKenna. Honestly, though, the best part of the episode is simply seeing a new, nerdy side to a couple of characters when the convention brings out an enthusiasm and knowledge you might never expect from them.

Slideshow pics at http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/the-final-frontier-castle-promotiona
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Friday, November 2, 2012 12:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



That didn't suck.

Not even a little.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 2, 2012 12:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Shiny!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, November 2, 2012 2:22 PM

WISHIMAY


I wear my "Crazed fan" badge with honor...and a little silly string

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Friday, November 2, 2012 5:07 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, I just had to set the DVR for that episode. I gave up on Castle quite a while ago - Just having Nathan in it isn't enough to keep me watching - but this one looks like a must-see.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 8:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm not crazy about Castle, either, but it's better than anything else on NETWORK TV, so it's the only thing I watch on network TV. It's not badly written, the humor is good and I like most of the supporting cast. That's enough for me, these days, as my expectations have been resting on the floor for a goodly time. Besides, the shows I DO watch (all on cable), like Alphas, Perception, Falling Skies, Dr. Who, etc., are all on hiatus (BAH!), so I'm pretty desperate for entertainment.

I love watching Nathan play a gentle geek, which to me fits his personality far more than Capt. Tightpants. NOT to ever compare the two OR to compare the shows (gawd forbid!), but I like Fillion, and the role fits him.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:27 AM

MAL4PREZ


I'm so looking forward to this episode! I catch Castle online when I can. It's no Firefly, but it's cute.

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I think Nathan is GREAT in CASTLE !

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yeah, I gave up on Castle quite a while ago - Just having Nathan in it isn't enough to keep me watching




Dick.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 8:13 PM

BYTEMITE


Then I'm one too, because I stopped watching Castle in the second season.

Nathan's a great guy an' all, but I'm a humourless bundle of wannabe social justice who needs deep messages to justify even partaking in any kind of entertainment. Nods to yesteryear are cute, but I find it more productive to focus on the now.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:11 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Second season's where it lost me as well. It just isn't going anywhere. Did Castle and Becket hook up yet?




But you've gotta love Rappy being reduced to name-calling because someone has a different opinion of a TV show.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:08 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Gotta love how Kwickie can't take a joke.



I don't follow Castle either. But not because it's not good, I just don't have the time. I kinda sorta followed along until Beckett got shot, and then never picked it up again. I'll likely get around to watching it, down the road, on Demand or Netflix. But the Firefly mentions and references are hysterical.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:32 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Second season's where it lost me as well. It just isn't going anywhere. Did Castle and Becket hook up yet?



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I didn't watch much for the first two seasons, but got back into it in time to catch this event. The writers have handled it well - it's not like Moonlighting where the hook-up ended the entertainment. I'm actually enjoying this season enough to catch every episode.



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But you've gotta love Rappy being reduced to name-calling because someone has a different opinion of a TV show.
OK, chill out Mike.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:32 AM

BYTEMITE


One of the big things that bothered me is that cop shows often support an unquestionable and always right attitude towards cops. There were a number of times that underhanded tricks and manipulations were used during interrogations just to further a case, and the reaction on the show was "That's so cool!"

On a show the cops are always are right and the ends justify the means. Ain't so clean cut in real life.

Also those shows tend to really increase general fear mongering amongst the population in the midst of the hefty order of bile fascination and schaudenfreude they engage in.

Jokes and a romance that's just a little too in focus for believability doesn't really change what the show is or how deeply concerning it is.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, my DVR is busted*. New one won't come in for 5 days. Crap!

*Why couldn't that have happened in the month before Halloween, when hubby was recording every single friggin' zombie movie playing, which was... oh... all of the zombie movies ever made! I'm now way more familiar with Stakeland and Night of the Living Dead and Resident Evil 1,2,3,4.... than I care to be!!!!

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 7:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Can you still watch it live?

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 7:32 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
One of the big things that bothered me is that cop shows often support an unquestionable and always right attitude towards cops. There were a number of times that underhanded tricks and manipulations were used during interrogations just to further a case, and the reaction on the show was "That's so cool!"

On a show the cops are always are right and the ends justify the means. Ain't so clean cut in real life.

Also those shows tend to really increase general fear mongering amongst the population in the midst of the hefty order of bile fascination and schaudenfreude they engage in.

Jokes and a romance that's just a little too in focus for believability doesn't really change what the show is or how deeply concerning it is.




Lighten up, Francis.

Sheesh!


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 7:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Naturally, I agree with Frances. The only reason why the shows don't rub you raw is because they match up with your basic expectations of "good guy- bad guy". If you were to watch a story which didn't, it would make you all kinds of uncomfortable. For someone who liked Firefly, you seem to be awfully comfortable with Alliance troops.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:51 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Naturally, I agree with Frances. The only reason why the shows don't rub you raw is because they match up with your basic expectations of "good guy- bad guy". If you were to watch a story which didn't, it would make you all kinds of uncomfortable.



First, it's a TV show. It's make believe. It's not suppose to be a documentary. I don't care to watch COPS, as it's primarily dealing in human debris. I don't enjoy seeing humanity at its worst.

Second...

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For someone who liked Firefly,you seem to be awfully comfortable with Alliance troops


Based on what, exactly ? I've flatly stated, many times on here, that Mal is the character I identified most with, through out the series. Your completely baseless claim flies 180 degrees from the truth.

If you can be so wrong about that, then what else are you utterly wrong about when describing me and what I'm " comfortable with " ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 10:52 AM

BYTEMITE


Mal is a strange split, he's both very demanding and in charge, but then very anti-government.

I understand it because I know people with forceful personalities that still believe in very anti-government ideas, it's a real thing, but on another level there's an interesting philosophical contradiction there.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Mal is a strange split, he's both very demanding and in charge, but then very anti-government.

I understand it because I know people with forceful personalities that still believe in very anti-government ideas, it's a real thing, but on another level there's an interesting philosophical contradiction there.



Inara seemed to think so as well. I think that's what makes Mal so unique. We all are some what contradictory, in some ways.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:49 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I thought castle was very dull. I watched a couple of episodes for Nathan and then gave up. I found it your typical formula, no edge, no purpose. It didn't interest. The only tv I tend to watch from the US is made by HBO these days.

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