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Israel - Gaza at it again.

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Friday, November 16, 2012 3:48 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Hamas commander killed in air attack.

Rocket attacks on Israel and heavy air attacks on Gaza.

And looks like Egypt will back Gaza. BBC has noted that the Egyptian government includes a strong Muslim Brotherhood component, and the Muslim Brotherhood was one of the progenitors of Hamas.

So. Just more saber rattling and swapping a few casualties, or Arab-Israeli war number ???.

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Friday, November 16, 2012 4:35 AM

JONGSSTRAW

i wouldn't expect Egypt to get directly involved now. They get more status and talking points by sitting back and letting Israel do their normal overkill. After the likely Israeli incursion the Muslim Brotherhood Govt. can rally more support from more moderate states.

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Friday, November 16, 2012 8:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

This is a war of choice. Netanyahu made a huge stink about Iran, but didn't get a hearing in the Obama WH. So he took his dog-and-pony show on the road, went to the UN and got laughed at. He made the fatal mistake of backing Romney.

There he is- facing election, with no war to jazz up the population and little backing from the USA. Since his Iran balloon deflated, he's had to find another dog to kick. Hence, Gaza. This is just like Reagan invading Grenada, and Thatcher picking a war in the Falklands. Gaza just happened to be there.

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Barak was asked about speculations that the Gaza operation, launched 67 days before the Israeli general election, was politically motivated. Someone reminded him that before Operation Cast Lead, on the eve of the 2009 election, public opinion polls were predicting that Labor, under his leadership, would get between six and eight Knesset seats. Immediately after the operation, which as defense minister Barak conducted, his popularity soared and the polls predicted 15 or 16 Knesset seats for Labor. In the end the party got 13.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/netanyahu-s-election-rivals-can-t
-help-but-support-gaza-war.premium-1.478197

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Yeah, all those rockets flying into Israel should have just been ignored by Netanyahu, huh ?

" Just GIVE them Gaza, and all will be rainbows and care bears over there! "

The only reason Hamas isn't using bigger, more destructive rockets is because they can't get their hands on 'em.

Yet.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:34 AM

CHRISISALL

Why not just nuke Gaza?

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 12:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Why not just nuke Gaza?

Because Israel may just want to move back in, eventually ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 1:25 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Got to save them for Teheran, Cairo, and Mecca. Before you near the end of your poker chips you go all in.

Interesting to see Obama, unfettered by running for President again, supporting Israel and their quest to stop the rocket attacks from Hamas. I would not have bet on that.

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Interesting to see Obama, unfettered by running for President again, supporting Israel and their quest to stop the rocket attacks from Hamas. I would not have bet on that.

He knows how many Jews voted for him, and he wants to keep that advantage for the party. I'm pretty sure he detests the Jews of Israel, but, hey... in the game of politics, you do what's best for the party first.

At least, that's what Obama does.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:55 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Why not just nuke Gaza?

Because Israel may just want to move back in, eventually ?

Then a neutron bomb, from altitude.

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:36 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Interesting to see Obama, unfettered by running for President again, supporting Israel and their quest to stop the rocket attacks from Hamas. I would not have bet on that.

He knows how many Jews voted for him, and he wants to keep that advantage for the party. I'm pretty sure he detests the Jews of Israel, but, hey... in the game of politics, you do what's best for the party first.

At least, that's what Obama does.

That's not only smart, it's pretty honorable as well. Too bad that the last Republican President never had a single thought along those lines.

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Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:10 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Those guys are always at it, its nothing new and it will continue on as always.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, October 9, 2023 9:23 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

Israeli defense minister orders ‘complete siege’ on Gaza Strip

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4245320-israeli-defense-minis
ter-orders-complete-siege-on-gaza-strip/

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Monday, October 9, 2023 10:36 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

As for why this war started, Hamas itself cited, not any desire to improve the miserable conditions of the people under its charge, but a few ultra-Orthodox Jews praying on the Temple Mount — a theological rationale.

https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7542

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, December 19, 2024 10:19 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Human Rights Watch: Israel is guilty of extermination and acts of genocide in Gaza

December 19, 2024

Middle East Eye reports:

Israel is guilty of the crime of extermination and acts of genocide in Gaza, Human Rights Watch (HRW) has concluded in a new report published on Thursday.

The US-based human rights organisation found that Israel has inflicted conditions of life in Gaza calculated to destroy the enclave’s Palestinian population. This amounts to extermination, which is a crime against humanity, and acts of genocide.

Coming two weeks after fellow rights group Amnesty International similarly concluded that Israel is guilty of genocide, the Human Rights Watch report is the latest sign of a growing consensus around Israel’s actions in Gaza.

In November, the International Crimincal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former defence minister Yoav Gallant, accusing them of a range of war crimes and crimes against humanity over atrocities committed after Israel’s war on Gaza began following the Hamas-led attacks of 7 October 2023.

On 14 November, days before the ICC issued its arrest warrants, a United Nations special committee report accused Israel of using starvation as a weapon of war and of prosecuting policies and practices in Gaza that may amount to a “possibility of genocide”.

More at https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israels-denial-water-palestinians-g
aza-tantamount-act-genocide-new-report-reveals

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 19, 2024 10:22 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

‘My hands are paralyzed from torture’: Gazans reveal horrors of Ofer Camp

December 19, 2024

In February, Rami was arrested by the Israeli army at Gaza’s Al-Shifa Hospital. The 42-year-old Palestinian was taken to the notorious Sde Teiman detention center, where, like thousands of Gazans detained there, he endured severe abuse at the hands of the guards. But he was soon transferred out. “I thought I was being returned to Gaza, but I found myself in another prison,” he told +972 and Local Call. That prison was Ofer Camp — a military facility that Israel established during the current war to hold detainees from Gaza, located between Jerusalem and Ramallah in the occupied West Bank.

Rami described the facility as no less brutal than Sde Teiman. “I was severely tortured,” he said. “We were forced to kneel with our hands tied from sunrise until midnight. Guards beat us on every part of our bodies. I was given electric shocks every two days.” He stressed that such treatment was not exceptional: “All detainees at Ofer were tortured, beaten, and humiliated. We [all] received food only once a day.”

On March 24, after weeks of detention in these conditions, Rami was released back to Gaza; there were no charges filed against him.

+972 and Local Call obtained testimonies from 19 Palestinians, some of whom are current detainees who spoke through their lawyers at the Israeli human rights group HaMoked, and others who were previously held at Ofer Camp and released back to Gaza. They revealed conditions that are “similar, and in some cases identical” to those at Sde Teiman, as attorney Nadine Abu Arafeh from HaMoked explained.

More at https://www.972mag.com/ofer-camp-torture-gaza-detainees/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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