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U.S. Deficit Shrinking At Fastest Pace Since WWII, Before Fiscal Cliff

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Friday, November 23, 2012 6:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I found this interesting, especially given nobody's talking about it:
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Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.

In fact, outside of that post-WWII era, the only time the deficit has fallen faster was when the economy relapsed in 1937, turning the Great Depression into a decade-long affair.

If U.S. history offers any guide, we are already testing the speed limits of a fiscal consolidation that doesn't risk backfiring. That's why the best way to address the fiscal cliff likely is to postpone it.

While long-term deficit reduction is important and deficits remain very large by historical standards, the reality is that the government already has its foot on the brakes.

In this sense, the "fiscal cliff" metaphor is especially poor. The government doesn't need to apply the brakes with more force to avoid disaster. Rather the "cliff" is an artificial one that has sprung up because the two parties are able to agree on so little.

Hopefully, they will agree, as they did at the end of 2010, to embrace their disagreement for a bit longer. That seems a reasonably likely outcome of negotiations because the most likely alternative to a punt is a compromise (expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the top and the payroll tax cut, along with modest spending cuts) that could still push the economy into recession.



Rather than applying additional fiscal restraint now, the government needs to make sure it sets the course for steady restraint once the economy emerges further from the deep employment hole that remains. In fact, a number of so-called deficit hawks are calling for short-term tax cuts to spur growth, rather than immediate austerity.

From fiscal 2009 to fiscal 2012, the deficit shrank 3.1 percentage points, from 10.1% to 7.0% of GDP.

That's just a bit faster than the 3.0 percentage point deficit improvement from 1995 to '98, but at that point, the economy had everything going for it.More at http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/112012-634082-federal-def
icit-falling-fastest-since-world-war-ii.htm


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Friday, November 23, 2012 6:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Lies.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 23, 2012 7:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...




Raptor, you are totally irrelevant to any and every discussion held here. We already know precisely what your response will be to ANY AND EVERY ISSUE, and where you opinions come from. You appear to be incapable of thinking for yourself or ever, ever considering anything but the talking points that have been handed to you and which you have swallowed unquestioningly. Whatever doesn't fit, you call lies. Your predictability alone makes you completely irrelevant to any discussion and nothing more than a parody of every unthinking right winger out there. Your posts are merely a repetitive waste of energy. Ergo, I ignore you except to refute your idiocy and mock you. You contribute nothing to warrant any further attention.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, November 23, 2012 11:48 AM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by Niki2:



That's really all the reply you needed for the silly Rapster. He just can't be real. His post is too perfectly the character of a Faux troll, you know? Smells funny.

As to your OP, it's amazing how those deficit numbers line up with certain things, and what that says about Republican leadership. They don't care about low spending, they just talk about it to attract votes from those who operate on emotion rather than reality.

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Friday, November 23, 2012 1:21 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: they just talk about it to attract votes from those who operate on emotion rather than reality.



You mean like 'HOPE and Change' ?

Please. You're literally the gits you accuse the GOP of being.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 23, 2012 4:27 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Oh look Rappy still having problem with reality.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Friday, November 23, 2012 9:06 PM

HKCAVALIER


To paraphrase and update Stephen Colbert for the post-2012 era: reality is a left-wing conspiracy.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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it's amazing how those deficit numbers line up with certain things, and what that says about Republican leadership.

Yes, it's something that's pretty easy to see if you do any research; the deficit went up more often under Republican leadership. And yes, "bringing down the deficit" is merely a talking point--and a way to talk about cutting programs--than anything else. Exactly the same as "smaller government", since we've seen over and over that what they really want is government that does what THEY want it to do, and less government safety net. Same with "Jobs, jobs, jobs"--it was what the people wanted to hear, so it became their mantra to get elected. Once in power, screw "jobs", and their focus became abortion, killing unions, etc....none of which they ran on.

No doubt all politicians do the same, unfortunately.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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