The war on Men (Or, why can't it be the '50's again!?!) by Storymark

REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

The war on Men (Or, why can't it be the '50's again!?!)

POSTED BY: STORYMARK
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 07:33
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 1808
PAGE 1 of 1

Monday, November 26, 2012 9:12 AM

Liberated women-folk are angry, defensive, and see men as the enemy.

At least, according to Fox.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/

Were it from any other site, Id assume it was comedy... but they actually mean this stuff. Im betting Wulfie has this printed out and taped on the wall of his cave.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 9:42 AM

WISHIMAY

The problem with a LOT of men today is sooo many of them are vastly incompetant, in communication, in handling the slightest emotion, in performing basic everyday tasks in maintainence or health.

Women have this expectation that men should evolve or at least attempt to rise to the challenge, and it just ain't happening. Many men today are more likely to meld with an electronic device than a human... Yeah, that tends to piss us off when you can't even make an effort to halfway pay attention...

Here's where I have to give the standard "But I'm not saying ALL men are like that" and I do so for the guys, because most women would inherently know that and I wouldn't even HAVE to add that little disclaimer......But I know from experience that many of you guys can't even fathom that when I talk about "some men" I may not be referring to YOU ..........................

Now, cue the passive-agressives that can't have a discussion about the flaws in THEIR sex without pointing out the flaws in women to make themselves feel better about having a penis.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 9:56 AM

BYTEMITE

Eh, most of us are disassociated and unable to connect meaningfully with anyone else, and for damn sure all the rules and games shit that goes on in the dating scene basically sabotages any effort at meaningful coordination between the sexes.

Being either gender is HORRIBLE. Finding good relationships is HORRIBLE. For everyone. There isn't one group that's more a victim in this than another. How a person handles it and whether they carry resentment around is a big factor in how people will react to them - if you come across as resentful, interest in you will take a MAJOR nosedive.

Unless they're one of those people that like it kinky-abusive and who read non-con fics or something, but those people kinda squick me the hell out. To each their own I guess.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 9:57 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Now, cue the passive-agressives that can't have a discussion about the flaws in THEIR sex without pointing out the flaws in women to make themselves feel better about having a penis.

Hello,

I'm pretty okay with it. It's working as designed so far.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 10:25 AM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Women aren’t women anymore.

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s.

But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women’s fault?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/#ixzz2DMOsdXTH

Jeezus H. Hassenpfeffer! That is some ugly damn nonsense right there. And leave it to FOX News to get a woman to preach it for 'em.

I think the central problem here is "men haven't changed." Why the hell not? The world has changed radically around them and they still want to play at John Wayne Injun Fighter? The epidemic of depression in the male population that leads to the astounding hygene issues we've come to take for granted in men (cf: grown men with "skid marks" in their underwear--really? They can't even bother to wipe themselves thoroughly??? And this is just guys being guys? No it ain't. It's depression and self-loathing) is not women's fault and women are not going to be able to do a damn thing about it. Men gotta deal with that problem 'cause it doesn't just go away on its own. Men need to be able to use the phrase "inner life" in a sentence and discover their self-esteem and figure out what they like about their actual flesh and blood selves and not the endless, outdated fantasies of masculinity handed down to 'em from the movies. It's killing 'em and they got no one to blame.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 10:32 AM

BYTEMITE

HK: Don't know about all this stuff that says men are emotionally stunted, not sure I believe it.

But the stuff in the Fox opinion is grade A gender role hogwash. People should be comfortable being whoever they want to be, and not rate themselves relative to masculinity or femininity.

As for being on pedestals, when has that ever been a good place to be? What is this, the American gladiator version of sex relations, always at a distance, always unstable, knock the other person down for success?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 11:26 AM

HKCAVALIER

Where are you getting "emotionally stunted?" I was talking about depression.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 11:33 AM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
Men need to be able to use the phrase "inner life" in a sentence and discover their self-esteem and figure out what they like about their actual flesh and blood selves and not the endless, outdated fantasies of masculinity handed down to 'em from the movies.

^Generally speaking, talking about an "inner life" is an issue of emotional expression, not just depression.

So it sounded to me like in the middle of talking about male depression you also called guys emotionally stunted for holding to one specific outlook on masculinity.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 11:52 AM

HKCAVALIER

So, are you saying that being unacquainted with one's emotional life is the same as being emotionally stunted? As I understand depression it is a flattening of one's emotional experiences because feeling one's emotions at their full force is overwhelming. To me "emotionally stunted" suggests an actual lack of emotion which IS a male stereotype and which I absolutely repudiate. It suggests that there is something shameful about being male and that's not true either. Why put words in my mouth anyway?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 12:22 PM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
So, are you saying that being unacquainted with one's emotional life is the same as being emotionally stunted?

I thought that was the point you were making. If it's not, I will take your clarification at face value and say that I misunderstood.

Quote:
To me "emotionally stunted" suggests an actual lack of emotion which IS a male stereotype and which I absolutely repudiate.

I am not familiar with that use of "emotionally stunted." My understanding is emotionally stunted is not a lack of emotions, but rather an incomplete understanding or expression of those emotions (sometimes due to immaturity or lack of emotional growth). In more psychological terms, I thought it has to do with both affect (blunted/flattened) and alexithymia.

For example, I have a blunted affect and alexithymia, and am emotionally stunted. This does not mean I lack emotions entirely.

Here are definitions of the term as found on google.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&cp=14&
amp;gs_id=5d&xhr=t&q=emotionally+stunted&pf=p&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=emotionally+st&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=9c1c7a74a90eb2f8&bpcl=38897761&biw=1026&bih=161

It is not putting words in your mouth when we simply seem to have different definitions for what it means.

Now, if my meaning of emotionally stunted is close to what you're describing, then I object to your suggestion that men tend to be that way. That strikes me as some feel-good thing some women came up with about how more in touch with their emotions and "earthy" they are than men, in contrast with offensive stereotypes about womenly "hysteria" and bad/irrational/inappropriate emotional expression. Though I would also object to the suggestion that men have no emotions as well.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 12:45 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Ugh. I'd like to hear women conservatives' reaction to this.

It's not personal. It's just war.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, November 26, 2012 1:02 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I think this is weird. Can't people just be themselves?

As for the 50s, the closest I want to get to them is the yummy hamburger joint with amazing milkshakes, black and white checkered floors, waitresses with poodle skirts and jukeboxes with old songs in them. I really like places like that, they include all that was good about the 50s and leave out the luh suh.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well me, I didn't give it much thought. It is, after all, FauxNews...so my expectations aren't very high. On top of that, it's obviously an attempt to refute the "war on women", which they've been trying to do all along. It's just silly FauxNews doing their silly FauxNews thing. I think the only ones who would take them seriously are in their audience, and a lot of the people in their audience ARE stuck in the '50s anyway.

So I didn't give it any attention, tho' I see it's riled up some here. I do think there is a problem with the attitude of some of our politicians and those in power, but given they are virtually all OLDER men, they come from that generation and eventually they will go the way of the Dodo Bird...and we'll have new gender problems to deal with. We always will, as the roles will change, attitudes will change, etc.

We have a place like that at Fisherman's Wharf called Johnny Rockets. I can guarantee from personal experience that the burger and the shakes are just like "back when", they have those little jukeboxes at each booth where you can put in a nickle and choose a song, and all of it. I LOVE going there!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Essential Problem Here = Lack of Empathy.
That's not a gender issue, that's a SOCIAL issue, and correctable.

-Frem

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:39 AM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Essential Problem Here = Lack of Empathy.
That's not a gender issue, that's a SOCIAL issue, and correctable.

-Frem

Ah. Yes.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:18 AM

STORYMARK

Interesting.... for as fast as our local right-wingers rush in to declare there is no "War on Woman"... thay seem (un)surprisingly silent on this....

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:59 AM

BYTEMITE

The thing is, there's a whole movement out there of males who think they're victimized, that society and reproduction selection favours women and women have always had the power. Women couldn't vote or own land and had to bribe men to marry them, but according to these guys the women had all the power, staying at home and having children while the guys worked and went to war, even though the women never asked them to.

They hate feminism, because now that women are working too, they're not staying at home having children. They blame feminism as they reason they have no kids. Rejection on the dating scene and therefore feminism is worse, in their minds, than having a gun held to their heads. They think more girls are successful than guys, and that unsuccessful excess guys become expendable to society. They believe in order to narrow the gap between the selective reproductive privilege women enjoy, they have to do all kinds of manipulations and underhanded tricks, because otherwise they can't get through to the women, and because women do the same to them.

I can't speak to it right or wrong, but I do think the attitude is very frustrating. I try to be straight up with people about my inability to reciprocate their attentions. That is all that ever needs to be said. I am very glad I don't date. I am also glad that I break contact with guys rather than led them on. I would rather they feel they did not waste their time with me.

There are definitely places where men get the short end of the stick though, like in divorce hearings and child custody battles. I support equal rights for men and women. Really and truly. And the best way to do that is NOT to go back to stifling gender roles, but rather break the gender roles altogether.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:29 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

This probably seems left field.

There was a scene in the recent Bond movie where Bond had a brief flirtatious exchange with an apparently homosexual villain. The villain's emotional issues were not connected to his homosexuality by the film. It was not suggested that he was villainous or bizarre because of his romantic leanings. (He was bizarre for other, more grounded reasons.) He did not wear a comedic affectation, and we were expected to be okay with that as an audience.

Bond's response to the villain suggested a comfort with both his own sexuality and the sexuality of his foil. He was able to banter flirtatiously without impinging on his manliness or invoking any new voice or mannerism. I remember thinking to myself, "I'm glad we're getting here, to a place where this is okay and nobody needs to feel alarmed and the material does not need to be conveyed as an over-the-top caricature."

I think this is a positive development, suggesting that men are growing more secure with themselves and each other. The expectations of what it means to be a man seem to be evolving. Even if it's pretend, and even if it's for the screen, it's a representation we feel comfortable making and viewing now that we weren't trusted to feel comfortable with before. And I think if men can become comfortable with many versions of manliness, they may also become comfortable with many versions of womanhood. This is possibly part of letting old-world gender roles fade away.

Which is a lot to get out of a brief flirtation scene in a spy drama, but it's what I thought of when I saw it.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:55 AM

FREMDFIRMA

It's not just you, Anthony - I had a similar reaction to both Code Geass and Last Exile, both of which have obviously homosexual characters and (in-story) NOBODY CARES, not only is it 'normal' enough to not be considered unusual, in both cases subject to the same kind of mild ribbing you'd throw at any friend about their attractions.
Now admittedly Dio is a little... strange, but that has naught to do with his orientation.

Also, in the first book of the third Renshai trilogy, I was much amused by Saviars reaction to finding out his younger brother likes men..... somewhere in between so-what, and realizing he no longer has to compete for feminine attention.

While tolerance is a decent enough stopgap measure, in the end I think the true answer to prejudice... is apathy.

-Frem

PS - finally got the mini keyboard/case to work with tablet, but new keys are kinda stiff, so this is a mite harder - cool tho since my main PC is something of a power hog... like 1/2KW/hour, seriously.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

There is also the British spinoff from Dr. Who, "Torchwood", in which numerous characters have sex with both genders from time to time. There's quite a bit of sexual inuendo...and a fair amount of sex...but it's played "straight", none of the characters have affectations, and two of the women who are straight end up having sexual affairs with other women.

It's gradually easing, and in time will become acceptable by the majority of people. The younger generations attitude toward homosexuality is vastly different from their parents' and they have far less interest in hating same-sex marriage, and far more acceptance of gays and lesbians:

Quote:
A majority of Americans say they support legally recognizing same-sex marriage amid growing evidence that the public's become more comfortable with gays and lesbians, according to a new national poll.

A CNN/ORC International survey released Wednesday also indicates that the number of Americans who say they have a close friend or family member who is gay has jumped from 49% in 2010 to 60% today, the first time in CNN polling that a majority of Americans have said that. In the 1990s, most Americans said they did not know anyone close to them who was gay.

There are numerous articles on this of a similar vein, and have been for quite some time. It's a good sign that we're evolving.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, December 12, 2023 7:33 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

The war on peoples, tribes, sexes, class and ethnic heirtage is happening and it divides the USA like Bolshevism would riot in Eastern Europe and Russia to create a new society new rules.

Maybe its the cost of war also but Society has without doubt been in decay since they allowed the LGBT weirdos to prey on kids with perversions.

Student 'Fails' Test by Answering Men Can't Get Pregnant, School District Makes It So Much Worse
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/12/11/student-fails-test-by-answerin
g-that-men-cant-get-pregnant-n2167433

and neo Feminism seems confused by the whole tranny thing in sportsball.

At the start Feminism seemed ok, but 4th or Fifth Wave Feminism has now allowed America

Acting completely unreasonable and without consequence

This one is a psycho bully that assaulted a man
She looks African-American but also looks like a Hawaii warrior or one of those 'the Rock' South Sea islanders, another psychopath woman looking like a Low IQ Beast with low impulse control, pushes a guy and as he stumbles back she grabs his arm drags him back and then uses a bowling ball as a weapon and cracks him in the back of the head

imagine if the sexes were reversed

or this was a viral clip of some White KKK man doing it to a small little Black Woman?

https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1734434952320897498

'Goes Nuts And Destroys The Store'

https://vidmaxviral.com/video/221784-woman-gets-fired-from-walmart-rig
ht-before-the-holidays-goes-nuts-and-destroys-the-store

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

YOUR OPTIONS

SHARE THREAD

NEW POSTS TODAY

USER	POST DATE

USER

POST DATE