Are You A Sociopath? by ANTHONYT

Aw. I already started working on my own... Well, I'll post what I put there here.

As for HOW... Because it WORKS better. I can't STAND inefficiency.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:09 AM

Posted in the other thread:

Antisocial personality disorder is defined as "a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."

Symptoms of ASPD include:

1) Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;

2) Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;

3) Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;

4) Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;

5) Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;

6) Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

Millon differentiates several subtypes - covetous, risk-taking, malevolent, tyrannical, nomadic, malignant, unprincipled, disingenuous, spineless, explosive, and abrasive. Persistent irritability can be an associated feature.

Diagnostic features:

1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

2) deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

3) impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;

4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;

5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

Psychopathy is a personality disorder that has been variously described as characterized by shallow emotions (in particular reduced fear), stress tolerance, lacking empathy, coldheartedness, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, impulsivity, criminality, antisocial behaviors such as lacking guilt and living a parasitic lifestyle.

Features:

Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse, shame, or guilt
Emotionally shallow
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Lack of realistic, long-term goals or life plan
Impulsiveness
Irresponsibility
Poor behavioral controls
Early behavioral problems
Juvenile delinquency
Revocation of conditional release
Criminal versatility
"Intelligence"
Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
Unreliability
Untruthfulness and insincerity
Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
Pathologic egocentricity
Incapacity for love
General poverty in major affective reactions
Specific loss of insight
Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations
Fantastic and uninviting behavior
Suicide threats rarely carried out
Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated

Disinhibition. Poor impulse control including problems with planning and foresight, lacking affect and urge control, demand for immediate gratification, and poor behavioral restraints.

Meanness. Lacking empathy and close attachments with others, disdain of close attachments, use of cruelty to gain empowerment, exploitative tendencies, defiance of authority, and destructive excitement seeking.

Some studies have linked psychopathy to other dimensions of personality. These include antagonism (high), conscientiousness (low) and anxiousness (low, or sometimes high).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:14 AM

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...That's chaotic stupid, not chaotic evil.

You guys have a phenomenally underdeveloped idea of sociopathy. I mean, damn, that's almost offensively stereotypical. Hey, I'm a sociopath so I'll just randomly murder people I know. Really? Come on.

Anyway, I'm going to move this over to your thread because it serves my purposes better.

Hello,

I don't understand your objection. You can receive material benefit with zero chance of consequence or reprisal. Why is that stupid?

All you have to do is kill someone you can't form substantive emotional connections to anyway.

What is Riona to you? Why is her death of consequence if there are no consequences to it? Why shun material benefit?

It seems stupid not to do it, really.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:28 AM

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I don't understand your objection. You can receive material benefit with zero chance of consequence or reprisal. Why is that stupid?

Because it's not realistic. You couldn't even a propose a situation where that would even be applicable.

This is like that "what would you do if you were invisible" argument.

Maybe I just have other interests besides murdering people and more useful things to do with my time. Seriously, I strike that question. It's gone from the record now. This isn't a valid determination of sociopathy.

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All you have to do is kill someone you can't form substantive emotional connections to anyway.

What are you trying to convince me? Look, how I try to make myself feel normal by faking emotional connections through an elaborate series of obligations I place upon myself is none of anyone's business. It's a convincing enough approximation of friendship that if you have a problem with it you can take it up with Riona. She knows the score and she seems fine with it.

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Why shun material benefit?

When have I ever particularly expressed any interest in the material? Don't care about fashion, luxury, or clothes, and money is a concept I don't even really understand. It's just not a temptation for me.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:40 AM

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Hello,

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Because it's not realistic. You couldn't even a propose a situation where that would even be applicable.

This is like that "what would you do if you were invisible" argument.

Why does it have to be realistic? I am trying to gauge your claim of sociopathy/psychopathy. (I think you are supposed to have a poor appreciation for consequence, incidentally.)

You have a tantalus field of the mind. You can vaporize Riona. No mess, no fuss, no reprisal, no nothing. And you get a benefit from it.

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Maybe I just have other interests besides murdering people and more useful things to do with my time. Seriously, I strike that question. It's gone from the record now. This isn't a valid determination of sociopathy.

We all do things we have no interest in to get something we desire. I go to work. I don't know what you do, but I'm wagering you don't spend your life in constant bliss at every activity. And it will take no time or effort. Just a decision. It's disingenuous for you to strike the question. It seems you are striking it because the answer says something about you.

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When have I ever particularly expressed any interest in the material? Don't care about money, fashion, or clothes, and I'm pathologically stingy with money - which is a concept I don't even really understand. It's just not a temptation for me.

Feel free to substitute a 'material' reward with any other reward that does interest you. Knowledge? Whatever you like.

You have an opportunity to gain something by sacrificing someone of no true value to you. And to do it without consequence. And without effort. You can do it with a thought. Why not do it? What is stupid about it?

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Look, how I try to make myself feel normal by faking emotional connections through an elaborate series of obligations I place upon myself is none of anyone's business.

Why do you care about feeling normal? Norms are invalid, are they not? You are a sociopath/psychopath. You are unconstrained by the foolish norms of a foolish society. You are superior to the common man. Or woman. Feeling normal would be stupid. It would make you like them. It would detract from you.

Fooling the rabble is one thing, but 'feeling normal?' That's just dumb.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:53 AM

...This stopped being fun.

You want to have a go at me? You want to question my commitment to being an asshole? My recognition that I'm different from people? Tell me what I think and feel like you know so much better? Whatever. Who the hell are you, even? What are you to me? You're just a bunch of text on an internet discussion board.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:13 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
...This stopped being fun.

You want to have a go at me? You want to question my commitment to being an asshole? My recognition that I'm different from people? Tell me what I think and feel like you know so much better? Whatever. Who the hell are you, even? What are you to me? You're just a bunch of text on an internet discussion board.

Hello,

I'm sorry to have upset you. This was an idea you endorsed, or I'd not have pursued it.

You may be different than other people. You may be an asshole. I just don't think you can lay claim to sociopathy/psychopathy. It's my opinion.

You could have won the argument by saying "Yes."

You didn't.

I'll leave it there.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:24 AM

Like you know what it's like to be a sociopath. You just know what the movies tells you it's like. You didn't even look at my carefully prepared list and notice all positive hits there. Basically all you just did was piss me off and tell me I'm wasting my time talking to you because you don't get it. You're focusing on one TINY unimportant sliver in the scheme of the whole pie. You could be trying to understand instead of trying to disprove.

Being a sociopath does NOT mean just murdering someone the moment you think it might be convenient or beneficial, and that hesitation has NOTHING to do with an emotional connection. You don't think I haven't thought about it? How easy it could be? But I don't, because THAT'S what's stupid, just acting on any old whim of my own nature. That's WEAK. And I'm stronger than that. My mind is in control, and not the beast. But someday, when I find a target worth my while, that'll all come out. And it'll be GLORIOUS.

If you want to try again, I've settled down again a little, but if you persist in this inaccurate and frankly idiotic pop culture depiction of sociopathy, I'm out of here.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:31 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Like you know what it's like to be a sociopath. You just know what pop culture tells you it's like. You didn't even look at my carefully prepared list and notice all positive hits there. Basically all you just did was piss me off and tell me I'm wasting my time talking to you because you don't get it. You're focusing on one TINY unimportant sliver in the scheme of the whole pie.

Being a sociopath does NOT mean just murdering someone the moment you think it might be convenient or beneficial, and that hesitation has NOTHING to do with an emotional connection. You don't think I haven't thought about it? How easy it could be? But I don't, because THAT'S what's stupid, just acting on any old whim of my own nature. That's WEAK. And I'm stronger than that.

If you want to try again, I've settled down again a little, but if you persist in this inaccurate and frankly idiotic pop culture depiction of sociopathy, I'm out of here.

Hello,

I've thought about it, too. It would be easy. Sometimes it's scary how easy it would be.

So why is fulfilling your nature stupid or weak? Why is fighting against your nature strong?

A sociopath/psychopath will generally follow their whims in an environment that promises an absence of consequence, and especially in an environment that promises to reward them. So I find your position confounding.

What's the benefit of holding yourself back?

Also... sociopathy/psychopathy isn't checking off things on a list. Your list is like 'flu-like symptoms.' They could lead to a myriad of diagnosis. The condition is deeper than a list of a few dozen checkboxes.

And it is very possible to embrace the listed behaviors for reasons that have nothing to do with sociopathy/psychopathy.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:41 AM

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What's the benefit of holding yourself back?

Because it makes the beast angrier and hungrier for when I do let loose.

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Also... sociopathy/psychopathy isn't checking off things on a list.

Sure it is. Watch me. Blunted mostly negative emotional affect: check. Lack of emotional connections: check. Disdain for touchy-feely bullshit: check. Disdain for societal laws and authority: check. Impulsive: check. Easily bored: check. Self-destructive: check. Violent: check. Aggressive: check. Manipulative: check. Hurting people for personal gain or amusement: checkmate.

Just because I draw a line at murder, not unlike Saffron in Firefly, or because I sometimes regret what I do, what I am, and how it makes a mess out of my life (again, not unlike Saffron) does not mean I'm not a sociopath. This line of inquiry is ridiculous, and, again, offensive.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:56 AM

Oddest conversation Ive seen in a while...

Byte, do you think you are the sole arbiter of what the term "sociopath" means??

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:05 AM

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because I sometimes regret what I do, what I am

Hello,

It's true that not all sociopaths are murderers. They aren't all violent, either. But you claim to be violent.

You also claim that you hold yourself back merely to get a bigger boom. So, what of the bigger boom? Why not bigger boom on Riona. If not kill her, is there some level of agony you'd be more comfortable inflicting? If not Riona, then who? Who gets to feel your wrath, and why?

And why regret what you do and what you are? This kind of regret is odd. Remorse is atypical.

Sociopaths regret the consequences of their actions, but not the actions themselves. They don't generally regret being sociopaths.

So while I find regret over consequences to be typical, regret over actions is atypical, and wanting to be 'normal' is also atypical.

There are reasons to feel the way you feel, to be different, even violent, antisocial, even dangerous.

But they do not necessarily indicate a sociopath or psychopath. There are many parts of society and personal behavior worthy of disdain. There are reasons to be antisocial and to have trouble connecting emotionally to others. These things can be the result of any number of stimuli or experiences.

Did you know there are treatment programs for sociopaths/psychopaths? The effective ones don't focus on generating feelings or drumming up remorse. They focus on convincing the individual that obeying the rules of society is a more efficient route to their desires. It's still all about getting what they want.

But you discuss reasons for doing things that have nothing to do with this.

If you want to argue the case, we're going to need to go into some depth about these checks you casually mark. Tell me about them. In what scenarios do you hurt people? What or whom do you sacrifice to get what you value, and why do you choose them?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:08 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Oddest conversation Ive seen in a while...

Byte, do you think you are the sole arbiter of what the term "sociopath" means??

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Since I'm a sociopath, I think I'm more qualified to talk on what it means to be a sociopath than someone who isn't.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:13 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Oddest conversation Ive seen in a while...

Byte, do you think you are the sole arbiter of what the term "sociopath" means??

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Since I'm a sociopath, I think I'm more qualified to talk on what it means to be a sociopath than someone who isn't.

Hello,

If I told you I was a sociopath, would you find that odd and inconsistent with observed behavior? Would you conclude that I must be right, because I think so and I am the best one to know?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:19 AM

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Who gets to feel your wrath, and why?

Society itself, of course. That's what I really hate, individual people are harmless and they have no real relevance to me or to my personal war anyway. I'm just biding my time for the right moment to do something that'll impact it, pull the rug out from under everyone.

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But they do not necessarily indicate a sociopath or psychopath. There are many parts of society and personal behavior worthy of disdain. There are reasons to be antisocial and to have trouble connecting emotionally to others. These things can be the result of any number of stimuli or experiences.

Ugh. You're trying to be all "you're not really a sociopath!" and trying to be all nice to me about it. I don't get why people can't just be honest with me. It's PLAINLY apparent. What do you get out of this, huh? Trying to make me think I'm not?

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They focus on convincing the individual that obeying the rules of society is a more efficient route to their desires.

Gee, what've I been saying already?

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In what scenarios do you hurt people? What or whom do you sacrifice to get what you value, and why do you choose them?

Well, I like fighting, I get a good rush out of it, and that usually involves putting the hurt on. And that includes verbal arguments, and trying to provoke people into the same kinda rages I can fly into, but I never seem to be able to pull that off.

And also, for some reason some of you people like me, when I'm kind of an unlikeable prickly abrasive asshole, so clearly I tricked you into that.

I mean it's just obvious.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:22 AM

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If I told you I was a sociopath, would you find that odd and inconsistent with observed behavior? Would you conclude that I must be right, because I think so and I am the best one to know?

Well yeah. How would I know? It's the internet, any one of us could be putting everyone else on, trolling the hell out of everyone.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:24 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Oddest conversation Ive seen in a while...

Byte, do you think you are the sole arbiter of what the term "sociopath" means??

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Since I'm a sociopath, I think I'm more qualified to talk on what it means to be a sociopath than someone who isn't.

So, if I claim to be something, no matter how well my behavior suits established guidelines for such a label - I can then re-define the condition, becuase, well, Im just that certain?

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:31 AM

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So, if I claim to be something, no matter how well my behavior suits established guidelines for such a label - I can then re-define the condition, becuase, well, Im just that certain?

Like I said, in regards to psychology, and on the internet, yes, because you can be acting.

If you say you're a sociopath, then it helps that sociopaths can often be pathological liars, so it lends credit to the claim that you were only acting normal and caring.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:33 AM

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Society itself, of course. That's what I really hate, individual people are harmless and they have no real relevance to me or to my personal war anyway. I'm just biding my time for the right moment to do something that'll impact it.

Hello,

So... individuals don't feel your wrath? And... you're biding your time to impact 'society?'

What have you actually done, specifically, that qualifies you as a sociopath? I'm confused because you checked off a lot of things, and claimed to not be harming people so you could have your big blast, but now you seem to be indicating you haven't had that big blast yet. Please help me to understand how all of this works.

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Ugh. You're trying to be all "you're not really a sociopath!" and trying to be all nice to me about it. I don't get why people can't just be honest with me. It's PLAINLY apparent.

I think it's pretty plain that there's a lot wrong with you, Byte. A lot that isn't normal, and maybe some things that aren't good and healthy. I'm just not convinced on the sociopathy. You haven't told me anything to provide evidence for it yet, either.

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What do you get out of this, huh? Trying to make me think I'm not?

True sociopathy isn't currently curable. Learned behavior can be unlearned. Traumas can be worked through. Philosophies can be altered. Sociopathy isn't any of that. Sociopathy isn't chosen. It's who you are. Forever. Anything better you ever do, say, or show is just pretends to get what you want.

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Gee, what've I been saying already?

You've been claiming genuine remorse and a desire to change. Which is atypical. As I said, generally consequences are regretted, not impulses and actions. I find your lack of revelry odd.

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Well, I like fighting, I get a good rush out of it, and that usually involves putting the hurt on. And that includes verbal arguments, and trying to provoke people into the same kinda rages I can fly into, but I never seem to be able to pull that off.

I think I'm better at it than you. That is, poking people and making them fly off into rages. I bet you're a better fighter, though.

Do you think everyone who enjoys fighting is a sociopath? And since you fight, I guess it's not just 'society' that feels your wrath.

Who do you fight, and why?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:37 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Like I said, in regards to psychology, and on the internet, yes, because you can be acting.

So, with that in mind - why should we just accept that you know more about it than the rest of us? I have students who call themselves sociopaths, mainly becuase they think it makes them look edgy/dangerous - but it doesn't mean they actually know what they're talking about.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:40 AM

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If I told you I was a sociopath, would you find that odd and inconsistent with observed behavior? Would you conclude that I must be right, because I think so and I am the best one to know?

Well yeah. How would I know? It's the internet, any one of us could be putting everyone else on, trolling the hell out of everyone.

Hello,

By that same token, there's no reason to believe that you're a sociopath just because you say so. But we only have this medium available to us.

Usually, diagnosing sociopathy is difficult and time consuming. There's something sociopaths don't usually do. They don't usually go around telling everyone that they are a sociopath.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:46 AM

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What have you actually done, specifically, that qualifies you as a sociopath?

Just 'cause I haven't put on my grand finale doesn't mean I haven't done other stuff. See, if I had, you wouldn't be talking to me because a grand finale is by definitions "final."

I've already talked about the stuff I CAN talk about here. This is a public forum, I'm not going to incriminate myself just to make some dumb point.

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I'm just not convinced on the sociopathy. You haven't told me anything to provide evidence for it yet, either.

Then you're not really paying attention, man.

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Sociopathy isn't chosen. It's who you are. Forever. Anything better you ever do, say, or show is just pretends to get what you want.

...Yeah, and?

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a desire to change.

Said I feel regret. Didn't say I want to change. Two different things. First of all, can't change. Second of all, don't want to, because I'm more effective in the grand scheme of things like this. Plus sometimes it's fun.

Trying to engage with people like I can even have friends is a nice bit of pretend, believable for a while, but that's all it is. Seeming normal is useful to fit into society, but eventually at some point all this pretending will become a liability. It'll be easier if you all know what I am, because then you won't make a fuss about it when I disappear.

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And since you fight, I guess it's not just 'society' that feels your wrath.

Who do you fight, and why?

Depends on how fast they can get away from me.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:51 AM

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I have students who call themselves sociopaths, mainly becuase they think it makes them look edgy/dangerous

You think I'm doing this just to look edgy? I'm hurt.

No, but really, ehh think whatever you want I guess. I have my reasons.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:09 AM

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I've already talked about the stuff I CAN talk about here. This is a public forum, I'm not going to incriminate myself just to make some dumb point.

Hello,

I'm not sure you're very likely to be able to incriminate yourself here. But I understand if you prefer not to discuss events that would discredit your proposal.

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Then you're not really paying attention, man.

All of your statements have been vague. Specifics help. Context matters.

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...Yeah, and?

I'm not the only one not paying attention.

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Said I feel regret. Didn't say I want to change.

You want to feel normal. Not act normal. Not fool people. Feel normal. That's a desire to feel different than you are. A desire to change.

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It'll be easier if you all know what I am, because then you won't make a fuss about it when I disappear.

Who cares if we make a fuss? And pushing people away isn't specifically sociopathic, although claiming sociopathy is a fair method of pushing people away. So are insulting outbursts and rages.

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Depends on how fast they can get away from me.

So do you only fight fast people, or slow people? And is that your only criteria? Foot speed?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:18 AM

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But I understand if you prefer not to discuss events that would discredit your proposal.

...They really don't discredit it.

But there's some specifics I can't discuss.

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You want to feel normal. Not act normal. Not fool people. Feel normal. That's a desire to feel different than you are. A desire to change.

You misunderstood.

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And pushing people away isn't specifically sociopathic, although claiming sociopathy is a fair method of pushing people away. So are insulting outbursts and rages.

It would be nice if it actually worked. :/

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So do you only fight fast people, or slow people? And is that your only criteria? Foot speed?

No. Fine. Lately it's been the jerks who proposition me on the streets thinking I'm a prostitute, or guys who are mean to the help at restaurants. But sometimes when my blood gets up, they get scared and run off first.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:18 AM

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I have students who call themselves sociopaths, mainly becuase they think it makes them look edgy/dangerous

You think I'm doing this just to look edgy? I'm hurt.

I didn't say that, but then, you seem intent on deliberately missing the point.

Though to be honest, NOW Im starting to think that...

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:23 AM

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You seem intent on deliberately missing the point.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:26 AM

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You misunderstood.

Hello,

What are we here for, if not to understand?

So, tell me how you try to make yourself feel normal, but simultaneously have no desire to change. Help me to understand.

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It would be nice if it actually worked. :/

I have long known that much of what you do is to push people away, and not linked to sociopathy. (Which isn't to say that you don't have antisocial tendencies.)

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No. Fine. Lately it's been the jerks who proposition me on the streets thinking I'm a prostitute, or guys who are mean to the help at restaurants. But sometimes when my blood gets up, they get scared and run off first.

You want to fight an unjust society, jerks, and mean people.

Forgive me if I do not recoil in alarm at your sociopathy.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:30 AM

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So, tell me how you try to make yourself feel normal, but simultaneously have no desire to change. Help me to understand.

Because I'm not normal, so it's pretty meaningless. I don't really know why I play at friendship. I just do. It's a quirk. In real life I pretty much have no friends, and I'm the same as I always am. I'm not sad. That's just what happened. People got tired of my shit and moved on.

I expect the same results here.

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You want to fight an unjust society, jerks, and mean people.

Forgive me if I do not recoil in alarm at your sociopathy.

9_9 Well you can add hypocrisy to that, because it's not like I myself am not mean and a jerk.

Look, it is what it is. I'm a sociopath, because I manipulate people, often hurtfully for my amusement, and because, before this argument...

I was bored.

BORED. So bored. booooooorrred. bored bored bored.

This spiced things up a little.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:40 AM

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Hello,

If I am to accept your self-identification as a sociopath based on the information provided, then my life is dripping with sociopaths.

You will never share the important aspects of your life that demonstrate the reasons behind what you do and how you are, so I am not in a position to prove you wrong.

But so far, if I accept what you say at face value...

Then we are both sociopathic, and simply pretend differently to the world.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:43 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Since I'm a sociopath, I think I'm more qualified to talk on what it means to be a sociopath than someone who isn't.

*snicker*
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges
Couldn't resist.

Myself, I have a different definition, set of them, really....
Of course, trying to explain what the differences between a Spark, Dark Spark, Psychopath and Sociopath are always seems to get lost in translation somehow, apparently cause some folk simply lack some of the essential mental concepts TO get their head around it, or cause I am just awful at explaining it - that happens when I try to explain my theological or moral beliefs as well, so I guess I am kinda used to it.

While my use of the term "Spark" pre-dated the comic in question, they really do a MUCH better job of explaining some of how it works than I do.
(That and I REALLY think the page image oughta be Bytes forum avatar!)
http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Spark

For mine own I think the balance falls over to Dark Spark, on the notion of longterm planning, Sociopaths tend to slip easier into quicker gratification at the expense of the long game cause of poor impulse control, but I care not for defining people, stuffing them into little categorical boxes and dismissing all the wonderful and awful facets of the person within - I simply accept or reject them as they are.

One other useful note, robbed from a concept expressed in Order of The Stick (regarding Belkar Bitterleaf) - for someone badly emotionally stunted, learning to fake character development *IS* character development, in a kinda-sorta-meta way, really.

One *can* "care" on a cognitive level without necessarily having anything on an emotional level to back it up - I personally prefer to do so cause when I dare involve emotion/compassion... things turn nasty in a hurry.

-Frem

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:50 AM

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If I am to accept your self-identification as a sociopath based on the information provided, then my life is dripping with sociopaths.

Very possible. A lot of our society is filled with very mild forms of it, and also some people who are more overt. It appears to be a much more common affliction than the diagnostic rate would suggest. It's possible this is due to the stigma against sociopaths, and so most sociopaths don't actively seek out diagnosis.

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But so far, if I accept what you say at face value...

Then we are both sociopathic, and simply pretend differently to the world.

Okay.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:54 AM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Since I'm a sociopath, I think I'm more qualified to talk on what it means to be a sociopath than someone who isn't.

*snicker*
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges
Couldn't resist.

Myself, I have a different definition, set of them, really....
Of course, trying to explain what the differences between a Spark, Dark Spark, Psychopath and Sociopath are always seems to get lost in translation somehow, apparently cause some folk simply lack some of the essential mental concepts TO get their head around it, or cause I am just awful at explaining it - that happens when I try to explain my theological or moral beliefs as well, so I guess I am kinda used to it.

While my use of the term "Spark" pre-dated the comic in question, they really do a MUCH better job of explaining some of how it works than I do.
(That and I REALLY think the page image oughta be Bytes forum avatar!)
http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Spark

For mine own I think the balance falls over to Dark Spark, on the notion of longterm planning, Sociopaths tend to slip easier into quicker gratification at the expense of the long game cause of poor impulse control, but I care not for defining people, stuffing them into little categorical boxes and dismissing all the wonderful and awful facets of the person within - I simply accept or reject them as they are.

One other useful note, robbed from a concept expressed in Order of The Stick (regarding Belkar Bitterleaf) - for someone badly emotionally stunted, learning to fake character development *IS* character development, in a kinda-sorta-meta way, really.

One *can* "care" on a cognitive level without necessarily having anything on an emotional level to back it up - I personally prefer to do so cause when I dare involve emotion/compassion... things turn nasty in a hurry.

-Frem

Hoo boy yes. I can relate to that.

(I've always felt like a stick-figure face-palm or a goldfish would be more suitable, but I am also fond of bellowing a good "FOOLS!" Unfortunately, I'm really too lazy to change my avatar)

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Because I'm not normal, so it's pretty meaningless. I don't really know why I play at friendship. I just do. It's a quirk. In real life I pretty much have no friends, and I'm the same as I always am. I'm not sad. That's just what happened. People got tired of my shit and moved on.

Not trying to be mean here - but it sounds like you just have terrible social skills, and telling yourself you're a sociopath releives you of making any effort to improve them.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Because I'm not normal, so it's pretty meaningless. I don't really know why I play at friendship. I just do. It's a quirk. In real life I pretty much have no friends, and I'm the same as I always am. I'm not sad. That's just what happened. People got tired of my shit and moved on.

Not trying to be mean here - but it sounds like you just have terrible social skills, and telling yourself you're a sociopath releives you of making any effort to improve them.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Hello,

Not Wanting to Hurt others and Not Wanting to be Hurt By Others top my list of behavioral motivations for trying to push people away. Lots of people have fears of intimacy for a plethora of reasons.

Concern for others does not, however, top my list of sociopathic indicators.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:44 AM

It's also partially they got married and started having kids and stuff. There's pretty much nothing I can talk with them about anymore. I still talk on the phone with them maybe once or twice a year, and I helped one of them move a few years ago because it's the obligation part of it, and I can do obligation, but I don't really think they're friends anymore. They've become strangers. But it's also not a big deal either, that's just what people do. They move on.

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but it sounds like you just have terrible social skills, and telling yourself you're a sociopath releives you of making any effort to improve them.

Sure, why not.

But I'm still a sociopath.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:48 AM

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Concern for others does not, however, top my list of sociopathic indicators.

--Anthony

Id say concern for others is pretty much the antithesis of sociopathy.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

But I'm still a sociopath.

Ok. And Im a Jedi.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:52 AM

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Ok. And Im a Jedi.

Neat. I got one of those lightsabers, the force fx ones, they're pretty cool. And I play a Jedi sometimes on swtor, but, uh, don't spread that around? It would damage the cred.

I mean what, Jedi? I play a Sith. Whatchoo talkin' 'bout.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:15 AM

Wow.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:19 AM

Yeah wow. Those lightsabers are cool.

(Not sure about your tone - I was being facetious)

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:42 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

Okay, so I made a chart for myself of the traits listed for both sociopathy and psychopathy, assigning letters and numbers to each trait in the list. then I marked which ones I feel are applicable to you Byte and which ones I don't. I looked at it objectively based on my 3 and a half years of knowing you, online and on the phone. I will not list my findings here, but I'll send them to you, lets just say it doesn't look good for a sociopath/psychopath diagnosis.

I've always thought that since you enjoy fighting it might be fun to join MMA or something else like that, that way you can channel that enjoyment and rush while still doing it in a safer way, then everyone wins, you have fun and no one gets too hurt. If we lived in a previous society you'd be a warrior of some kind, sex irrelevent, because your fighting chops are fantastic, that's not bad or wrong, its just how you're built and I think channeling how you're built into constructive, or at least not-too-harmful, avenues is the key to life, I know I try and do that myself. Plus a lot of the guys at my church love MMA, so I hear good things about it, but something else involving fighting would do.

I don't think wanting to destroy our society is always such a bad thing, that's how change happens, and we could use lots of changes.

I know we talked about this recently, and I told you that I only have contact with two of my childhood friends, high school or before currently, Sarah, who I talk to a couple of times a year, and my Jennifer (of course, because I LOVE her) I think its common in our society, where we have lots of friendship options, to lose some childhood/girlhood connections, sometimes most of them, because we all go in different directions and so thus don't always have things in common. I reckon friends we make as adults are more likely to stick around, though I have no proof of this.

Oh, okay I'm going to do the list again for myself and this time I will write the answers down for all to see.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:46 PM

Oh man, I would LOVE to do some fighting. There was a while I was taking martial arts, but I keep it strictly non-contact because I start to get a little screwy if someone does contact martial arts with me. Would be good for my back to take it up again. I've been just sitting around mostly, I try to keep myself training but it's really hard when I have all these sciatic issues. For the last few months I can barely walk. I guess ignoring it and refusing to take painkillers is not the best strategy? But I'm not really sure what else to do, and if it doesn't go away on its own I don't care enough to do anything about it.

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:51 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

Do it!!!!!!!! I know I've suggested it before, maybe its time. It will be fun.

When I was having my hip problems earlier this year I went to physical therapy, it took a few tries but we found some excercises for me that really keep it in line, I don't even have to do them every day. Whenever I have trouble I do them for about a week and it all gets better. Of course it had gotten so bad originally that I could barely walk anywhere and it took a month or two to get situated again. I had scoffed at the idea of physical therapy because I hadn't been in an accident or anything, but it worked for me.

Pain, of all kinds, is hard. I'm the type of person who likes to be tough and not take stuff for it, but I know that's not probably a good idea, but its hard not to try and be tough, since I prize toughness and having a high pain tollerance, I think its part of that tribal piece of me.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:32 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

"My turn"

I gave these numbers and letters for easiness of nottaking. So hopefully everything lines up right.

This is for myself, keep in mind that I have notable mental health differences myself, though not of this nature. Also keep in mind that my mood component manifests in irritability forms, but I'm gaging myself on how I am when I'm feeling like me, as in taking ye old medicine. None of these other symptoms are altered by said medicine, only the irritability one, thought I should inform so there's no confusion and all variables are accounted for.

ASPD symptoms:
11 not really, 2 only a bit, 3 no, 4 a little minus the violence part, 5 no, 6 yes.

Millon symptoms:
1 no, 2 no, 3 no, though I have some notable executive functioning defecits that greatly impair _certain types of planning but others are well in tact. 4 sometimes minus the violence, 5 no, 6 no, 7 no.

Psychopathy symptoms:
A maybe? B I yoyo from great self importance to self loathing, it just depends on the topic. C no, D I try but fail, E no, F no, G no, H sometimes, I no, J I'm a big fan of communal living, my goal is to never live alone, because I just can't handle it. K no, I no, M no, N no? O no, P no, Q ? (don't understand), R no, S I guess, T no, U no, V no, W no, X no, Y kind of, Z no, A2 no, B2 no, C2 no, D2 maybe, E2 yes, F2 ? Disinhibition no, meanness sometimes.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:17 AM

My chart:

ASPD

1: Yes, 2: Yes, 3: Yes, 4: Yes, 5: Sometimes, 6: I think this is what Niki and others mean when they say I act passive aggressive.

A1: Yes, A2: Yes, I'm often insincere with both my motives and my presentation to others, A3: In the (literally) immortal words of Spike, "I get bored", A4: Yes, A5: Yes, A6: I don't have debt because I don't really understand money and don't spend it, but, if I'm not obligated, I tend to be irresponsible, A7: Yes, whenever I tear into someone I often convince myself they deserve it, and will be in a snit for a couple hours to several years until I abruptly stop caring.

B: Yes, C: Yes, D: Yes.

Psychopathy
1: Yes, 2: Extreme self-loathing is a kind of grandiosity, so Yes, 3: Yes, 4: Yes, 5: Sometimes, 6: Yes, 7: Yes, 8: Sometimes, 9: Oh sweet skittles Yes my boredom is inescapable at times, 10: I live vicariously through others, so Yes, 11: Yes, 12: Yes, 13: Yes, 14: Very much apparent and Yes, 15: Yes, this started early, 16: Not really, but I did steal a metal sign from school once, it practically fell on my head, it was mine by rights of providence, 17: No, 18: I like to think so, 19: Quotation marks and all - no one is really as smart as they think they are, 20: My logic is impeccable, 21: You really shouldn't trust me, 22: Very Yes, 23: Yes, 24: I never learn my lesson and I take that as a point of pride, 25: Yes, and ask Oonj if you doubt it, 26: Yes, 27: Yes, 28: I do not understand other people at all, 29: I'm terrible at comforting or congratulating people, and avoid situations whee I have to, and am seen as cold and aloof, 30: Yes, 31: How many times on this board alone, like 20? 32: Yes.

Disinhibition: Mostly the lack of affect and urge control and the immediate gratification. If you leave food or candy or drinks out, they are mine. It's not like you want them when they've been sitting out all day anyway, right? If you yell at me for it, I will mostly think it's funny.

Meanness: Pretty much all of those.

High antagonism, low conscientiousness, neurotic.

I think that's pretty straight forward guys.

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:59 AM

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Hello,

Profile: Jesus Christ

Symptoms of ASPD include:

1) Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;

Constantly berated followers for falling short of his expectations, often inflicted feelings of shame. When people were unable to meet his expectations, even expectations of supernatural ability (walking on water) blamed them for weaknesses of character. Routinely told followers to deny their human instincts, disregarding their desires. Highly emotionally abusive in this way.

2) Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;

Jesus Christ was proposing a religious philosophy that was highly opposed to existing religious and social norms, to the extent that he endangered his followers and left them subject to persecution.

3) Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;

Jesus Christ gained followers easily, but was largely detached from them and ultimately abandoned them, leaving them to wallow in uncertainty in the wake of his departure. His only visit after crucifiction involved chastising one of his followers for not believing in him enough. He completely dropped his relationships with loved ones thousands of years ago, though he encouraged them to pine away for him and whisper requests for his attention, which he never deigns to respond to in person. Utter failure to maintain normal relationships.

4) Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;

Frequently became frustrated with followes and others, chastising them. Created a violent scene in a Church that is still remembered thousands of years later.

5) Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;

Was not sorry for upsetting the social order. Did not feel guilt for his crimes that resulted in his torture and execution. Did not change his philosophy or goals after incarceration.

6) Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

Placed full blame of his crime and punishment on others. "Forgive them," he said, indicating that everything was someone else's fault, and he was not to blame. Later in Revelations, he is said to fight battles against Satan and the Antichrist, justifying such actions by suggesting THEY were the wrong ones and deserved it.

Millon differentiates several subtypes - covetous, risk-taking, malevolent, tyrannical, nomadic, malignant, unprincipled, disingenuous, spineless, explosive, and abrasive. Persistent irritability can be an associated feature.

2) deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

Uses aliases including 'The Word' and 'Son of God' amongst others. Convinced large populations to support him so that he could reign over the Earth in a new society of his invention.

3) impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;

Frequently impulsive with failure to plan, such as holding large meetings with inadequate meal planning, and having to be reminded by his attendees about the lack.

5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

Ordered followers to walk on water, leaving them likely to drown. Ordered followers to follow rules of behavior likely to get them harrassed. Followed a course of behavior resulting in his death and the persecution and execution of his followers.

6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

Abandoned job as Carpenter and never took another paying position. Frequently expected others to pay for his expenses.

7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

Frequently emotionally abused others for not meeting his unrealsitic expectations, and claimed the fault was theirs. Never showed remorse for this treatment.

Does anybody want to do Ghandi? I wonder how many ticks we can get off of him.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:08 AM

...That blasphemy tastes DELICIOUS. It is a heaping serving size of lulz and irreverence.

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:45 AM