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Generals: Get real and cut Pentagon spending!

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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


About time someone spoke up! All this talk of "entitlements" is so wrong--we PAID for SSI and Medicare, dammit, and it's a contract with the U.S. Government which they should live up to. At the same time, nobody's talking about cutting the military, despite all its boondoggles and pork. Finally, two generals are speaking sense. They are
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Lt. Gen. Robert Gard is the chairman of the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a former executive assistant to two secretaries of defense. Brig. Gen. John Johns is a former director of human resources development for the Army General Staff. He taught at the U.S. Military Academy and lectured at the Air War College, the Army War College, the U.S. Military Academy, and the Naval Academy. He serves on the board of advisers for the Council for a Livable World.

And here's what they have to say:
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A strong U.S. military is indispensable to our national security. As retired military officers, we have dedicated our careers, on active duty and retired, to that end. We have been involved in crafting and teaching national security strategy, of which military strategy and use of military force are vital components.

In the debate over the Pentagon budget and with threats of deeper cuts coming, the president, Congress, governors and the entire defense community are rightly concerned about sequestration, which cuts both domestic and defense spending indiscriminately. It is agreed that overall spending reductions are necessary, but the "fiscal cliff" crisis reflects a lack of political will, not rational planning.

Too often, the Pentagon spending debate is ensnared in the outmoded ideology of past wars and driven by legions of lobbyists for parochial interests in the military-industrial complex.

America's power is more than a massive force structure and numbers of ships, tanks and planes. A national security strategy must be based on current and future threats, not past war doctrines.

In 2008, a National Intelligence Estimate declared the economic crisis, not terrorism, as the greatest threat to national security. Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Adm. Mike Mullin, along with other senior military leaders, endorsed that assessment.

It is doubtful that future threats will call for many of the expensive weapon systems advocated by parochial interests and some political leaders -- a system such as the F-35 joint strike fighter. Developing this plane has cost more than was spent on veterans in the last 20 years.

Today, the use of manned aircraft is more and more limited. Our leaders must have a serious debate about priorities: America needs political resolve to kill unnecessary and expensive projects.

Our nuclear weapons policy is based on Cold War conditions that no longer exist. The Pentagon is expected to spend more than $700 billion on nuclear weapons over the next 10 years, for little added security. The former U.S. Strategic Command Chief Gen. James Cartwright has called for a drastic cut in nuclear weapons, saying the U.S. has a stockpile "beyond our needs. What is it we're really trying to deter? Our current arsenal does not address the threats of the 21st century." The program is based more on ideology than security.

Sadly, defense spending is driven by political interests, not necessity. In his 1986 book "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers," Paul Kennedy argues that great powers fall by bankrupting themselves to rule extensive empires. After the invasion of Iraq, Kennedy published an op-ed, "Perils of Empire," suggesting America may furnish material for another chapter.

In the last decade, America fought two expensive wars and Congress has yet to pay for them; that policy has contributed to our precarious economic position. Sequestration is not an effective means of excising wasteful Pentagon spending; it is the result of political gridlock and special interest intransigence.

As Congress attempts to undo its own mess and prevent sequestration, the Pentagon budget needs to be on the table. Reducing wasteful spending on unneeded programs and outdated strategy will save money and enhance national security.

The political argument that cutting defense spending will cost jobs is spurious. Pentagon spending purchases one item and does not provide greater economic benefits. The F-35 program is slated to cost $1.5 trillion over its lifetime; these are resources that are desperately needed elsewhere or could pay down the national debt.

After more than a decade of wars of dubious value, America will receive a greater return on investment by investing in our troops and veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Every dollar wasted on unnecessary programs could be caring for and training our servicemen and women.

Instead of building new toys that are kept in the garage, let's provide education and job training to veterans. Recent congressional refusal to approve such a jobs program is a disgrace.

Cutting Pentagon spending recognizes that national security is more than military power. The United States is stronger with a strong economy, sustainable jobs, investment in education, renewal of our infrastructure and a sensible energy strategy. Continuing to waste money when our nation should have other priorities is bad policy and bad for security. http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/12/opinion/gard-johns-military-spending/ind
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To which I say "Amen!" and "Well said!" Not that any of the damned politicians would listen, given each of them has their own pet Pentagon project, needed or not, sensible or not, but I wish they WOULD listen!

(Sorry I posted the whole thing in its entirety, but it's eloquent and right on, and I don't think the generals will mind if nobody goes to their link to read it for themselves.)

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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:40 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I'd love to see the closure of most foreign bases and the reduction of our Carrier fleet, myself. We have more carriers than we need, in my opinion, and those things suck resources like there's no tomorrow.

I wouldn't mind seeing the jsf program cut, just so long as we have some quantity of new-built fighters available. Airplanes get creaky over time and become dangerous if not replaced eventually. If you don't like the F-35, choose another fighter to build. Manned planes will be important when an enemy figures out how to jam/hack our drones. We probably don't need nearly as many planes as we currently have, though. With the decommissioning of several carriers, we could reduce the inventory of fighters as well.

Tanks have become vehicles of dubious value. When an individual soldier with a shoulder-fired rocket has the ability to destroy a tank, the tank loses its value. It is a vehicle that is only effective in stopping small-arms fire and early cold-war weapons. It is not a vehicle for the 21st century. Armored personnel carriers and self-propelled cannon are more practical, eschewing a lot of heavy armor that is expensive and ineffective.

In my opinion.

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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree with your opinion. Good suggestions, all.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, December 14, 2012 8:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, but all of those military-industrial contractors and "security" experts would have giant holes torn out of their balance sheets. How dare the Generals talk about what's good for the nation!

I'm sure we won't be hearing from them again any time soon, if ever.

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Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, and so would all the politicians they bribe to keep those balance sheets golden.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, December 16, 2012 2:54 AM

AURAPTOR

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While I think most here would agree that we spend too much $ on needless 'toys' for the military, and that many bases should be closed, the bigger picture of making a dent in the deficit, still needs to be addressed.

( And by 'toys', better personnel armor isn't what I mean. Entire weapons systems which simply aren't needed, yet get built anyways, is. )

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Never said cutting the military was THE solution, only part of a much bigger picture. Everyone knows that. I posted an article by two generals who say the military should be PART of the solution. Nothing more.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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