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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, how long have been HERE, watching you idiots ignore reality? A fair amount o' time. Very experienced.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, gawd, I'm loving it! Arlo, you and Mike REALLY have to meet! I think you might actually even best him...but do have a caution; Rap apparently has an endless amount of time to spare, and will continue to goad and respond just as long as he gets a reply from you. So count your time; if you enjoy this shit, go for it. If you have better things to do with your life, beware pissing it away baiting this ultra right winger incapable of individual thought. Just so's you know.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
However, after nothing else happened for a few years...

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By nothing, are you referring to the 30 or so other school shootings since then?

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Yeah, how long have been HERE, watching you idiots ignore reality? A fair amount o' time. Very experienced.

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Seven years now I've been reading your nonsense... do you do the same at Scout.com? Just askin'.

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TRANSLATION: NRA promises to do as little as possible in order to let the stink of bad publicity fade away- SIGNY.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/18/nra-shocked-saddened-and-heartbro
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"The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.

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I will look on in curiosity and wonder to see what they propose.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
... as of late the NRA has been as useful an advocate of the right to bear arms as Fred Phelps is in regard to free speech.

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I don't think paying for armed security guards to be at each school is the best solution. But allowing teachers to conceal carry if they choose (with required permit and certification/instruction for those who choose to) would be just fine with me, I wouldn't mind such a practice at my little brother's school.

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I find it alarming that no one mentioned the atrocity of having a registry of people with mental illness, I mean WHAT????????????/ I watched the press release on CNN and when he said that I was pretty concerned. I don't want to be on some rutting registry of "dangerous" people, no rutting way.

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US gun rights advocates have signed a White House petition calling for British CNN host Piers Morgan to be deported for allegedly attacking the Second Amendment rights of ordinary Americans.

The outspoken former British tabloid editor has launched something of a personal crusade for greater gun control measures in the wake of the December 14 massacre at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

On Tuesday, Morgan held an especially contentious interview with executive director of Gun Owners of America Larry Pratt, appearing to become incensed and incredulous when Pratt suggested more, not fewer, weapons as the solution.
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"You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" Morgan said at one point during the heated debate. "You have absolutely no coherent argument. You don't actually give a damn about the gun murder rate in America."

Following the interview, a Texas journalist posted a petition on the White House website alleging Morgan "is engaged in a hostile attack against the US Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment".

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"We demand that Mr Morgan be deported immediately for his effort to undermine the Bill of Rights and for exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens," it says.

Many Americans believe in the literal interpretation of the Second Amendment, which enshrines the "right to bear arms" in the US constitution.

Morgan insists America can outlaw military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines without infringing on people's constitutional rights and says he has no quarrel with the Second Amendment.

Two days after the petition calling for Morgan's deportation was posted, it had already garnered more than 19,000 signatures, closing in quickly on the 25,000 required to get a response from the White House.

A defiant Morgan refused to back down from his position.

"Ironic US gun rights campaign to deport me for 'attacking 2nd Amendment rights' - is my opinion not protected under 1st Amendment rights?," he posted on his Twitter feed on Saturday, referring to freedom of speech provisions.

Morgan continued to post incendiary comments on the gun control debate, including a response on Sunday morning to an NBC interview with a top official in the powerful pro-gun lobby group, the National Rifle Association.

"Watching davidgregory expose Wayne Lapierre for what he is - a dangerous, dim-witted, deluded menace to American safety. NRA," Morgan tweeted.

At least some Americans have come out in support of the British citizen.

In one message, reposted by Morgan, Lee Cox in Arizona wrote: "I'm a native-born US citizen, and I agree 100% with Mr Morgan. If he goes back to the UK, should I go with him?"

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Apparently so in the perception of those in charge, since school security funding was decreased by State and local governments.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
LaPierre calls for the federal government to spend whatever it takes to put armed guards in every school in the nation.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Except that that's rarely what happens.

Columbine had armed guards.

Virginia Tech had an armed police force.

Fort Hood had an army.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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It really wouldn't bother me Signe, as long as everyone who "packs" has had proper instruction and has demonstrated proficiency and clear understanding of safety etc. and keeps the weapon on their person at all times so as not to have kiddos pick it up and it accidentally go off.

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COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.

What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.

Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott

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"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Except that that's rarely what happens.

Columbine had armed guards.

Virginia Tech had an armed police force.

Fort Hood had an army.

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NRA is to gun rights what Rush Limbaugh is to conservatism. And yes, Fred Phelps to Christianity.

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Everyone is looking at the wrong end of the problem.

Instead of trying to prevent the reactions to the insanity that is our culture, we should be looking at changing the culture so those reactions are not seeded and provoked in the first place.

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Where did that come from ^

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As long as you don't mind someone who stands to the LEFT on most things. Politically speaking that is.

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There is no legitimate exception to the Second Amendment for military-style weapons, because military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, a guarantee against disorder and tyranny.

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A thought occurs to me. Before I write that thought, I want to remind everyone that I've been clear about taking a reasoned, rational middle road on the issue of gun control.

My thought is this:

Speaking on average, 87 people died of gun-inflicted violence in the last twenty-four hours. This is to say nothing of rapes, robberies, and other crimes committed at gunpoint.

The common argument from the radical end of the pro-gun spectrum is that if these people were armed, those crimes would be prevented.

I have to call bullshit on that narrative, permanently and definitively.

Why?

On Monday, March 30th, 1981, while surrounded by a dozen or more heavily armed and excruciatingly well-trained Secret Service agents, President Ronald Reagan was shot and wounded by a random lone gunman in a crowd of people in Washington, DC.

Not only did all of those guns in the hands of highly-trained professionals not stop John Hinkley, Jr. from pulling out his own pistol and shooting quite probably the most heavily-protected man on the planet, Hinkley was able to fire *six times*, hitting a police officer and a secret service agent directly, and grazing the president with a ricohet. Even *after* those six shots were fired, it was still a random union steward (or "thug" if you prefer) from Cleveland who made the first and critical contact and apprehension of the shooter. He did not use a gun to do it.

In addition to all of that, there is the stark fact that *at no point* during the assassination attempt was the reality of several of the world's most highly-trained gunmen whose sole purpose in life is to provide an immediate armed response to precisely such a situation, and equipped with the most powerful and advanced firearms federal money can buy, any sort of factor in preventing the assassination attempt or subduing and arresting the shooter.

Now can we PLEASE put this ridiculous notion that some random yobbo with a Saturday night special in his waistband could do any better, and start talking some rational, reasoned solutions to the problem of gun-related violence in our culture?

Thanks.

John Henry

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Please Disregard this message.

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