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The Citadel is an up-and-coming planned community in Idaho. Although liberals and socialists are allowed to apply for a home spot, the developers are very upfront by warning potential residents that life in the community will likely be incompatible with progressive views.

Those who choose (and are approved after application and formal meeting) to live in the Citadel in Idaho community will be “bound together” by patriotism, a belief in American exceptionalism, pride in liberty, and physical preparedness skills, the Daily Caller notes.

A description of the Citadel Community posted on the Idaho group’s website reads:

“The Citadel Community will house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of liberty, the Rifle — are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from city hall.”

] http://www.inquisitr.com/480605/the-citadel-private-idaho-community-be
ing-planned-for-american-patiots-only/]

Some of the terms spelled out include everyone 13 and up must be proficient with a rifle, handgun and AR-15, and each house must have enough food, water and essentials to last a year.

Their website is at http://iiicitadel.com/ . I can think of a few here who would be perfect for them, but all in all...
Scary!

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I just don't know what they'll do if (gasp) someone has disabilities or someone births a child with them

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But I fear that won't be what happens. I reckon people will be kicked out etc.

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My question - once they're all inside, how do we launch it into space?

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people in Idaho, the most red state of all, as well a most lily-white state, presumptive home of the Aryan Nations

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I'm smack dab in the middle of fundie hell, in a cabin in central Idaho flyfishing. There is an unsecure router where the neighbor lady home schools the towns 5 children. I kid you not, I may not make it out alive. About 500 yards from the entrance to the cabin rental place is a sign about 50 feet tall that proclaims the coming of this Yaheh guy. It says were all doomed or something. It's so freaky that I'm going to stop and take picture of it tomorrow and upload it so you can see it. About everywhere you look there are these hand painted signs about the world ending and stuff.

I went down to the river flyfishing today and there were guys with giant rifles shoot cans and stuff. I'm no coward, I just don't think I look good in my blue Obama hat. It looks better under the seat

I really do hope to get that picture, it will freak you right out man. Giant Yahweh sign in a yard filled with wrecked hoopties (cars).

I forgot to add, one of the kids being home schooled is leaving this weekend to go to his church camp. I asked him what they did and he said our church has these military rangers who teach them how to survive. I asked him, "Army Rangers?" and he said, "No, our church has it's own army". Man I've got no words.....

Michael Harris, visiting the dangerous places so you don't have to.

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Idaho = Potato. Period
--that's not fair. idaho also has skinheads and crazies.

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People already are arriving in Boise to attend Hammerfest 2012....the Hammerskin Nation was founded in 1987. group’s first chapter, the Confederate Hammerskins, “intended to set the standard for skinheads in the U.S.,” according to the group’s website.

Steeped in symbolism, the Hammerskin movement is characterized by clothing, memorabilia and tattoos adorned with the “marching hammers” — crossed red and black hammers that are “a symbol of strength, pride and solidarity” — and the numbers 14 and 88.

The number 14 is a reference to a 14-word statement by white power pioneer David Lane: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” The number 88 stands for double use of the eighth letter of the alphabet, or HH, an abbreviation for “Heil Hitler.” http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/09/29/2291638/few-details-on-hammer
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Real estate ad: "nazi compound (Hayden, Hayden Lake, Declo: live in, racist, dental)" You gotta love it! But it's not really funny, beyond that:

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From the 1970s until 2001, the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations had its headquarters in a 20-acre (8.1 ha) compound at Hayden Lake. Victoria Keenan and her son, Jason, were attacked by Aryan Nations guards in 1999. Bullets struck the Keenan's car several times then the car crashed and an Aryan member held the Keenans at gunpoint.

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They won the compound itself in their legal battle (!), and subsequently

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A silver bust of Hitler and stained-glass swastikas adorned the ''church,'' and Nazi flags flew over the guard tower. German shepherds patrolled the grounds. And for 28 years, ever since he moved to the woods of Northern Idaho to escape what he once called the ''alien scum'' in Southern California, Richard Butler held sway as the self-proclaimed pastor of the Aryan Nations.

That was the past at Mr. Butler's 20-acre compound near Hayden Lake, Idaho. The future, it seems, will be very different. Just weeks after Mr. Butler was forced by the courts to turn over the compound to a mother and son who were beaten by young Aryan Nations members there, an Internet millionaire said today that he had bought it from the victims.

With their blessing and that of Gov. Dirk Kempthorne and other state and local leaders, he said, he planned to dedicate the compound as an education and conference center for human-rights issues.

The millionaire, Greg Carr, an Idaho native who is the founder and former chairman of the Internet service Prodigy, said he and others had first thought of having a giant fire at the compound. They would burn down the church and other buildings and a shed on the grounds that still contains Nazi flags, copies of ''Mein Kampf,'' weapons and racist posters and flyers

That would have been too easy, he said. ''We're not just going to tear the place down and pretend it never happened and say, 'There, we've cleaned up our image as a state,' '' Mr. Carr said today. ''We're going to leave it there and acknowledge that this kind of hatred still exists and that we'll battle against it. The center will be an acknowledgment of the fact that we've got work to do.''

Yet there is still plenty of evidence of white supremacist groups in Idaho, a state where barely half of 1 percent of its people are black and few Jews live as well. Boise's public-access television station is about to run two new white supremacist shows. And the Aryan Nations' leader, the 82-year-old Mr. Butler, is still around. Vincent Bertollini, a millionaire investor who moved to north Idaho and became one of Mr. Butler's staunchest supporters, has bought Mr. Butler a small bungalow in the town of Hayden, not far from the old compound. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/07/us/new-future-for-idaho-aryan-nation
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Now, in fairness, the skinheads/white supremicists are only a VERY small portion of the Idaho population. And Northern Idaho itself is absolutely GORGEOUS (especially around Coeur d'Alene, which I'm sure Brenda you know means "Heart of Alene", but which most Americans pronounce/spell "Cordalene") . Southern Idaho, eh, not so much.

There. Everything you need to know about Idaho's crazies, or at least enough! Utah ain't got NOTHIN' on Idaho, trust me!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Note To Skinheads: “Read Label Before Opening A Can Of Whupass”

A North Idaho Skinhead who allegedly threatened to stab a black man has entered a “no contest” plea to a hate crime charge and become the virtual poster child for STUPID BIGOTS.”

Prosecutors said that Daren Abbey, a self-proclaimed skinhead sporting neo-Nazi tats threatened to stab a black man, saying “blacks were not welcome in Bayview and he had better leave before something happened,” according to police. Abbey then allegedly poked the victim in the chest, but neglected to read the message on the man’s T-shirt: “Spokane Boxing Club Champion.”
decade after the dissolution of the Aryan Nations compound in northern Idaho and the arrest of the Montana Freemen, white supremacists, far-right militias and radical patriots have revived their dream of a homeland in the Northwest.

In 2010, residents in several parts of Idaho woke to find Easter eggs tossed on their lawns — courtesy of the not-dead-yet Aryan Nations. The eggs contained jelly beans and solicitations to "take back our country and make it great, clean, decent and beautiful once again."

In October, a federal jury convicted Spokane-area resident Wayde Kurt of firearms violations in a case prosecutors said stemmed from Kurt's membership in the white supremacist group Vanguard Kindred.

In a sentencing memorandum, federal prosecutors said Kurt discussed with an FBI informant a plan for what he called an act of terrorism "of the worst kind," comparable to the Oklahoma City federal building bombing, that "would mean a death sentence if he is caught."

"The defendant stated that he needed to make sure that everyone is fed up with [President] Obama," the memo says. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/09/nation/la-na-mlk-bomb-20120209 Winkler, White Supremacist Idaho Sheriff Candidate, Hosts Cross Burning Event

Shaun Winkler, a white supremacist in Idaho running as a Republican for Bonner County sheriff, is defending his recent cross burning ceremony, after having invited members of the media to attend the event last week.

Winkler (claimed) the ritual has Scottish roots dating back hundreds of years, but his status as a Ku Klux Klan imperial wizard and his candid admissions of racial and religious prejudice suggest that the decision to burn the cross may take inspiration from a more recent and ugly practice.

Winkler is one of the remaining members of a diminished, but still active, Aryan Nations presence in Idaho. Democratic state Rep. Cherie Buckner-Webb, the first black woman to serve in Idaho's state legislature, faced numerous racist attacks from the KKK and other white supremacist groups during her campaign. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/shaun-winkler-idaho-cross-bur
ning_n_1506357.html by a cadre of local law enforcement, including Boise, Caldwell, Meridian and Nampa police, U.S. Attorney Wendy Olson announced Tuesday afternoon that a federal grand jury has handed down indictments of 21 members of the Aryan Knights gang, a white supremacist gang operating in and out of Idaho prisons.

Law enforcement charged 12 current inmates in Idaho prisons, and arrested five more people this morning. Four more individuals remain at-large. The 21 are charged with distributing methamphetamine and possessing firearms.

"With these indictments and arrests, we have made the streets safer and weakened the operations of the Aryan Knights," said Olson. http://www.boiseweekly.com/CityDesk/archives/2012/09/18/idaho-white-su
premacist-gang-slapped-with-gun-drug-indictments the fall of 1995, following six months of travel, the duo settled in Sandpoint, Idaho. "We crossed the bridge into Sandpoint and said, 'Voila, this is it!'" Bertollini told a reporter from the Spokane Spokesman-Review.

Why did Story and Bertollini choose Sandpoint? "North Idaho was selected for its clean air, beautiful scenery, quiet life style, recreation, lack of crowds, low cost of living, low violent crime," they write, "but above all, more than 98 percent of North Idaho's population is of the Adamic White Aryan people."

Extremists associated with the Aryan Nations paramilitary Identity group are particularly fond of this scenario. The late Robert Miles, once the Midwest coordinator for that group, urged white supremacists to move to the Pacific Northwest to form a whites-only nation in the states of Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Oregon.

...encouraged whites to build a "national racist state" in the region. Many violent extremist criminals have affiliated themselves with Aryan Nations, including Buford Furrow, who attacked a Jewish daycare center in Los Angeles in the summer of 1999, and members of the murderous white supremacist terrorist gang, The Order.

The Identity group America's Promise Ministries, led by Dave Barley, is located in Sandpoint. In 1996, three of Barley's supremacist congregants went on a terror spree in nearby Washington State, bombing a newspaper plant and a Planned Parenthood clinic and twice robbing the same bank. Each was convicted on eight counts of robbery and bomb making.

During their first few years in Sandpoint, Story and Bertollini did not draw public attention to their beliefs. In December 1996, Joyce Riley, a regular lecturer at the numerous Preparedness Expos that cater to anti-government "patriots," gave two lectures in Sandpoint promoted by America's Promise Ministries. Her speeches were described at length in two major extremist publications, The Jubilee and The Spotlight. Bertollini later admitted that he and Story bankrolled the Riley presentations, but did so covertly. It was not until two years later that they stepped into the public spotlight.

In September 1998, envelopes from the 11th Hour Remnant Messenger were mailed to approximately 9,000 Idaho addresses. These envelopes contained an introductory letter, an anti-Semitic booklet and a poster explaining the group's Identity beliefs.

Measuring 6 feet by 3 feet, the full-color Identity poster, titled The Adamic Race: Adam's Pure Blood Seedline, is one of the most professional pieces of white supremacist propaganda in recent memory. Bertollini has said that the posters cost $9.45 each to print, fold and mail. The poster traces the activities of "Adam's Pure Blood Seedline" (the descendants of God, from Adam through Jesus to the "Aryan" people) and "Satan's Chosen People" (the descendants of Satan, from Cain through Esau to "Jewry") over the course of more than 6,000 years. Alongside the illustrated chart is the text of Bible passages Story and Bertollini use to support their claims.

According to the 11th Hour Remnant Messenger, "blacks, orientals, and other races," unlike "Aryans," do not have souls. These "Pre-Adamic" people intermarried with the Jews, producing "a mongrel, hybrid, a non-race." Meanwhile, most of the "Aryan" people, who Story and Bertollini believe are "God's Chosen People" as described in the Bible, migrated from the Middle East to "Central and Western Europe" and finally to America.

Story and Bertollini believe that America has become a "dictatorship," enslaved to "Jewish Communism." They predict that there will be a third World War, followed by the migration of the "White race" from America to Israel. Eventually, "The War of All Wars!" between the "White" race and the Jewish, Satanic "non-race" will lead to "Armageddon," or World War IV, resulting in the victory of the "White" race and the unending reign of Jesus Christ over his "White" people. Lots more at http://www.adl.org/tycoons/The_Move.asp]
Needless to say, I could go on and on. If you think I have a "thing" for Idaho, you're right. I saw its attitude clearly when Jim's younger brother lived with us; his bigotry toward Native Americans shocked me. I hate racism more than maybe anything else in the world (tho' probably less the pendophiles and those who physically abuse children and animals), so Idaho and my husband having come from there, and having seen it for myself, especially gets to me.

REMEMBER: These assholes represent a small portion of the Idaho, or even Northern Idaho, population. And the others there resent the hell out of them, are embarrassed by them, and don't want them around. Neither Idaho nor Utah, nor any other state, is a "white supremicist state", they are everywhere. And on the rise, ever since Obama was elected:

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Hate Groups Grow as Racial Tipping Point Changes Demographics

The number of radical hate groups and militias has exploded in recent years in reaction to the changing makeup of America

"White supremacist groups have been having a meltdown since the census bureau predicted that non-Hispanic whites would lose the majority by 2050," said Mark Potok. "The demographic change in this country is the single most important driver in the growth of hate groups and extremist groups over the last few years."

For white supremacist and radical right-wing groups, the data is especially troubling, and made all the more apparent by the fact that a black man was elected president, Potok said.

the number of radical "anti-government" militia groups increased from 150 to 1,274 during the years of the Obama presidency. There have been more homegrown domestic terrorism attacks by right-wing groups than by international terrorists during his presidency as well, Potok noted.

Marilyn Mayo, co-director of the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism, said white supremacist groups have increased their efforts to recruit and plot based on the changing racial makeup of America.

Mayo cited two recent plots by radical groups in Florida and Minnesota that involved stockpiling weapons for racially-motivated attacks against other Americans.

"These are just examples of people who feel like they are at a point where they have to take action because soon whites will lose power and authority and they have to protect the white race from extinction," she said.More at http://abcnews.go.com/US/militias-hate-groups-grow-response-minority-p
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I think the election of Obama, more than the changing demographics, has had the most to do with the rise of both these groups and right-wing racism as a whole. We're in for some bad times in this country. Maybe Obama's election was too soon in our evolution; maybe it was just what we needed to move forward. I don't know.



Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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With their numbers almost doubling in the last year and a presence in 21 states, neo-Nazi skinhead gangs pose a growing menace to minorities, particularly in California, according to a national report released Wednesday. L.A. Times

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There are 13 active hate groups in San Diego County, four of which are white supremacist groups. http://www.kpbs.org/news/2012/sep/05/13-hate-groups-tracked-san-diego-
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Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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An estimated 600 young people are involved in the neo-Nazi Skinhead movement in Canada. These include a hard core of some 350, plus an additional 250 who are, to varying degrees, participants or supporters. While their numbers were declining in the late eighties, that trend was reversed in the 1990's. The cities with the largest contingents of Skinheads are Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and Vancouver, but activity has also occurred in recent years in Edmonton; Calgary; Winnipeg; Saskatoon; Regina; Quebec City; Halifax; Victoria, B.C.; Moncton, New Brunswick; and the Ontario cities of Kitchener, Windsor, Kingston and London.

Skinheads have been a part of Canada's extremist scene since the early 1980's. As in the United States, they have no national organization, operating instead in separate gangs with names like Aryan Resistance Movement Skins, Northern Hammerskins, and Final Solution Skinheads. Canadian Skins also figured prominently in some established racist and anti-Semitic hate groups, such as the Heritage Front, led by Wolfgang Droege of Toronto; the Nationalist Party of Canada, headed by Don Andrews; the Church of the Creator, which originated in the United States, and the Aryan Nations, headquartered in Idaho.

Older white supremacists in Canada have regarded the Skinheads as potential recruits to bolster their flagging numbers. Performances by Skinhead bands have drawn young fans to rural rallies at which they have been lectured by such longtime extremists as John Ross Taylor (who died in November 1994) and one-time Canadian Nazi Party leader John Beattie.

Some of the rally sites have been provided by right-wing extremists, as in 1990 when 200 white supremacists, most of them Skinheads, gathered at Ian MacDonald's farm in Metcalf, Ontario. There they were treated to the music of the British Skinhead band No Remorse, while armed Skins in military fatigues stood by. In other instances, land has been rented without signaling its intended use, as at Des Laurentides, Quebec, in 1992. The event, "Aryanfest '92," was sponsored by a Canadian unit of the Ku Klux Klan and attracted 70 Skinheads, including members of the Montreal neo-Nazi group, White Power Canada. LOTS more at http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/sk
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